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What does /lit/ think of this story? Purple prose shit or bold pedophiliac homosexual masterpiece?

I've just finished reading it and didn't like it one bit.
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>>7776331
speaking of pedophiles, i remember an obsession with butterflies in his Dr. Faustus, and interestingly enough, Nabokov was also a lepidopterist who called his catches "nymphs".
I wonder if there's a connection there.
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>>7776334
Mein Gott, /lit/ ist voller amerikanischer Idioten.

Everything Mann wrote was gold - maybe the English translation isn't good, but I don't think that could be a drastic change.

It's an amazingly structured story of a downfall, full of references to Greek structure, style, and mythology. Death and decadence are everywhere. That Mann can cram so much into so little space is testament to his genius.
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>>7776353
>full of references to Greek structure, style, and mythology

It was mainly this that bugged the hell out of me. It seemed completely out of place and over the top. He would describe everything by making an analogy to some Greek god, goddess or demigod. Mann describes everything 'classically', but in my opinion it only came across as an exaggeration.

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Why are there so many shitty threads on /lit/ recently and what can we do about the lack of quality?
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>>7776194
I don't know but posting more sickczheck memes is a good start!
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>>7776216
>le ebin /pol/ boogeyman
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>>7776216
>muh anti semetism

Since you guys are so well-read, what makes a manly man according to the literary greats? What qualities beside physical separate him from woman and child?

I keep having debates with myself over this. What kind of deeply engrained thinking and decision making is so masculine that if a woman were to copy it she would transcend just being an aloof cursing bitch or tomboy and from that point on truly be considered heroic, deeply confident, manly?

I don't think such a thing can exist. Women are masters of adaptation, jewkin. I was going to post a wall of text...
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>>7776133
Virtu
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>>7776133
A PENIS
t. literary great
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>>7776135
I'm not educated in philosophy but I think this is where I was going. In particular stability of personality derived from virtu. Got any authors except stoics?

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Can someone explain to me why Goodreads isn't garbage again?
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>>7776111
where's the top of that guy's head gone?
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>>7776119
into the abstract
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>>7776121
top kek my friend

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Does /lit/ have an opinion on this play?
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Does OP a faggot?
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There's no Godot.
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If I were in drama Lucky's speech would be one of my goals

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What's the best version of this book? I've already read a pdf version that I loved but I'd like a physical copy I can take with me places.
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>>7775671
hays translation, modern library hardcover
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>>7775970
Just purchased. Thanks very much.
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>>7775671

Why are you reading it? Meditations is pretty much the Bible for bohemians and libertines; they use it to feel good about their hedonistic lives.

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>Main toon is a complete whining idiot
>The books are disconnected somewhat
>IM GONNA BECOME SUPER DUPER MAGICIAN
>Start of next book: I quit magic
>5 pages later
>I started magic again
>5 pages later
>It's been 2 years and I haven't used magic

Not even talking how it is a really damn blatant Narnia copy...
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I watched the TV show of this and it was awful.
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>>7775589

I quite like the TV show, but the main toon is still a whiny cunt even there.
And they skip over how hard they actually work and study there
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Just started the third book
When does it get good?

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I read, "Death of Ivan Ilych" pretty recently.
You guys wanna chat about it?
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>>7775559
checked
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yeah it was pretty grand

I had wanted to write a story about someone having a successful American life who then has to contend with death and the realization that his life was meaningless, but Tolstoy fucking nailed it like nothing I could hope to aspire to.

> the curtains did him in
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>>7775559
It made me go out and purchase a couple packs of cigarettes mid-way through. I would go out to smoke one periodically as I finished it that day. Would recommend.

Who else /subaltern/ here?
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Edward Said is rolling over in his grave over what these people did to his field.
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bump..
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>>7775466

Said is a tier above SJWs, in that he's actually read and understands what he's complaining about, but he's still fairly awful.

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The great distinction between Biblical verse and Biblical prose is the prose uses a much more limited vocabulary, since repetition is a key literary device for reflecting recurring themes, which conveys a continuity of action. Biblical verse, however, is more concerned with description than action, and therefore utilizes a greater vocabulary so as to convey detail. Yet both by far the most common style of both Biblical prose and Biblical verse is parataxis, which is optimal for conveying parallels and parables. In fact, Hosea 10:12 overtly names this Biblical style, saying God...
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In ancient times, the primary function of art was (according to Aristotle, but obviously not totally) catharsis (similar to blockbusters or tearjerkers today). But with the rise of Christianity, art took on a new purpose that was beyond the synthesis of the binary Dionysian-Apollonian or ever Socratic spoken of by Nietzsche; art became about expressing truth which could *not be expressed by reason*. This was not emotional truth (we will get to that), but a higher true which reason could not order properly. Art eventually became about materialist truth or emotion later on in...
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Where can I read more of this?
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Now it is not that Christian art did not have emotion in it, but that it was not about Catharsis (this is why Orthodox icons do not depict Christ suffering on the cross, but always already dead, they do not aim for some catharsis). The major difference between Christian literature and Christian pictorial art is that the former conveys constant action, whereas the latter is tries to convey a stillness for holy figures, an absence of action and total calm (sometimes contrasted with the less than holy figures); this utilizes the medium very well, since pictorial art is frozen,...
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there was literally nothing wrong about this book

satire or not, nothing in it sounds super crazy or ridiculous. i could see someone ruling fairly effectively using this guide.

i'm not sure why "Machiavellian" is being used to describe dictators like Mao or Kim Jong Un or Stalin when the book would condemn their actions as being foolish or rash.
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>>7775424
>satire or not

1. Read the "Discourses"
2. Kill yourself
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It's not satire m8y.

That being said, Machiavellian is usually a term used to decribe someone that appears to be withholding truth from someone (the public) and/or subtly manipulating them behind the scenes. Fits the bill for most dictators and sociopaths.
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>>7775424
I've made the satire argument before, that The Prince was a tool to get its namesake to do stupid shit that would obviously erode one's power in order to facilitate a regime change that would get Machiavelli's job back.

No one's put much stock in it.

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is Dostoyevsky the updog of literature?
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what's updog?
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>>7775401
updog is that thing under there
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YTMND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPjvDE-rKo0

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Does anyone have any recommendations for good literary/philosophical Youtube channels and podcasts?
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School of Life, I guess. Videos are about 6 min. so it's very brief when explaining different philosophers. I like watching it when I need a reminder of who thought what.

they have relationship videos (the one I saw was like "why your relationship failed") which make the creator sound like a forever alone perma virgin.
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>>7775364

Don't get trolled.

Also, PEL is amazing but their videos are a little too long to get over in my commute (and I hate stopping mid way).

History of philosophy by Peter Adamson is really good too, definitely check it out if you are interested in philosophy and especially in starting with the Greeks.
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I love PEL, also on the lookout for anything similar to those podcasts. Do any other philosophy podcasts compare? Particularly interested in Stoicism, Cynicism, Epicureanism and Buddhist philosophy.

So, how does your day look like?

When do you read?
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why do you ask
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Not enough. I'm in dire need of adjusting my sleep schedule to open up time for reading and writing. I work 5-2 every weekday and am always too tired to focus and too awake to nap in the afternoons.
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I go to bed late and sleep late, I drink huge amounts of coffee, I try to write and read every single day. Depending on what my circumstances are, I can spend a day either not writing at all or writing many thousands of words in the span of a few hours.

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Why does /lit/ hate this guy?
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>>7775191
Nabokov and Bloom.
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They're morons who parrot STEMLORDS who need proof.
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>>7775192
>>7775196
/thread
even psychoanalysis has moved past him but reading Interpretation first hand is mindblowing

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