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How dark is the novel compared to the Disney movie?
>>7990345
Darker but still not very dark.
Expect lots of architecture talk.
>>7990345
Really just the last 10% is functionally different, and like all of Hugo's work, much of the book is not related to the plot but to tangents that you have no emotional connection to.
Dark childrens books made into dark movies thread? I hate that disney puts a positive spin on everything, and I dread the inevitable call of the wild move.
>>7990345
>Quasimodo brutally kills Frollo's brother
>Clopin dies during a gypsy riot
>Esmeralda finds her mom only to have her mom killed.
>Frollo gives her the choice to be captured or be her sex slave. She refuse.
>Esmeralda is hanged
>Frollo is watching, encouraging it
>Quasimodo throws off Frollo off the balcony as Frollo bounces off the roofs
>Quasimodo cradles Esmeralda's corpse in a tomb. and dies
>Phoebus lives a happy life
>Pierre Gringoire does nothing
Name one thing wrong with this book
>you can't
>watered down prose
>predictable
>nothing super bad about it but nothing super profound either
How accessible is the Divine Comedy? Which translation should I read? Is it necessary to read any other works before reading this?
>>7990287
Do you happen to know how accessible it is?
>>7990333
Albeit that I haven't read it, it seems to be it is quite accessible, even though if you are not wary you might miss out on some symbolism and such. I might be completely off though.
How the fuck did postmodernism get entire forests of literature written about it? It was literally a bunch of mediocre intellectuals who discovering “WHOAH MAN THE SIGN IS NOT THE SIGNIFIED,” which is a pretty simple concept that’s been established for a long time in semiotics and general philosophy. Was it really just a bunch of boring leftists with nothing interesting to say jerking off?
>>7990252
Academic publishing, much like modern art is a jewish money laundering scam.
>>7990252
It heavily triggered conservatives which got it more attention. They forgot you need to ignore trolls or else they win.
>>7990258
It's also just so a bunch of jews could keep themselves and their friends on the syllabus for all infinity to make shekels.
Is this book any good or just a meme?
It's good for people incapable of love who need to manipulate in order to get 'friends'. I.e. everyone here. So yeh
>>7990206
This book made me afraid of Americans
This book says the same thing over and over. It can be summed up in just one sentence. Be nice to people.
No shit Dale.
is the beat generation a meme? currently gonna read this in class
>>7990137
why don't you ask your professor and see what he thinks?
>>7990139
she loves them
ive never read them
and id like to know what you memers think
>>7990142
random ramblings of a syphilitic bum
just visit Greenwich Village and buy some hobo artist a drink
Is it worth reading?
Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community by Robert Putnam I think is a good alternative to Toqueville.
Disseminates and modernizes most of the relevant content, but if you want to see a perspective of a foreigner looking into how American democracy succeeded (compared to French democracy which was initially a failure) then yeah it's ok I guess. I've only read excerpts though and I prefer Putnam.
>>7990170
Interesting.
>>7990131
It's pretty comfy, and the details are worth it. Don't expect too much insight though, mostly comparisons to (as the other anon said) European and especially French democracy.
I've started reading pic related and its a good companion piece for its insight into the working order and labor class.
Larry you are the dreamer and your own dream Larry !!
>>7990109
Reasonable alt-lit, OP.
>Stirner
what the fuck you're doing
>>7990102
>le david mitchell face
which one was the best Bronte?
They all wrote mediocre bodice-rippers about nauseating self-inserts.
Emily. Anne is underrated and Charlotte is overrated (Charlotte's books start well but are dull and uninspired at the finish).
>>7990081
Emily is the only one worth reading
Moved into a new house and it is full of interesting books that will keep me busy for years to come. Among them is pic related. A quick google revealed that it is from the 18th century.
So, /lit/, is this book still considered accurate and worthy of a 21th century reader?
>worthy of a 21th century reader
Sounds crude, not what I wanted to express, should have left it at "is it accurate".
>>7990010
Kuhu kohta sa kolisid, et leidsid nii palju raamatuid?
Soovita häid Eesti kirjanduse raamatuid palun. Ma lugenud ainult Tammsaaret, teised tunduvad trashid.
>>7990010
It's THE book about the fall of roman empire
Did he ever touch on free will and whether or not that was a spook?
>>7990002
I will never look at The Ego and It's Own the same way ever again after that pic.
>>7990036
*Its
I'm retarded sometimes.
>>7990002
>Did he ever touch on free will and whether or not that was a spook?
He didn't and he probably wouldn't have considered it a spook since a) it doesn't meet the formal requirements: spook doesn't simply mean "not true" or "made up", but specifically a concept that exerts authority over the internal desires of the individual. The concept of "free will" does not seem to be capable of doing this.
b) On the contrary, getting rid of spooks doesn't really make sense if you argue against free will, because you need it in order to pursue your desires after getting un-spooked. Actually, arguing against free will doesn't really do anything because there is no practical way of 'acting upon the insight that free will doesn't exist'. Also Stirner wrote about will more explicitly in The Untrue Principle of Our Education, if you want to check that out. [as for "no free will", even people who explicitly deny free will spend the rest of their work tacitly treating humans as agents who make choices, see la Mettrie and Nietzsche for example]
I'm going to Dublin for Bloomsday this year.
Second time I do it and I want to make more of it than last time.
I'm going from 13th June to 27th June.
I went to a smallish gathering down by Sandymount Green and then took a walk along the strand out to the tower.
Wouldn't mind this year to be a bit more, you know, social.
Anybody else going to Dublin for it?
Anybody live there?
I'm traveling alone and am very much up for meeting new people over a beer or something. Very casual like.
You do not have to have Ulysses memorised.
How about it?
>>7989982
You are a phony and a hypocrite.
Spend the money on the gym or a gift for your mom instead.
Fuck you poser.
>>7989995
But I like going to Dublin more than I like going to the gym.
Can't a guy just try and have some fun? I don't think Joyce was trying to start a fucking cult.
>>7990005
Goddamn it.
I could have made some pun about how I'd rather go to Jim than gym.
fuck!
For your listening pleasure, Concerto grosso, by His Eminence Hilarion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kC13O-GdMw
Are any of you familiar with Father Seraphim Rose's "Nihilism"? It was originally to be a chapter to a larger work, but he dropped it when he became a monk. For those who don't know, Father Seraphim, originally Eugene (monks take new names), was a homosexual who was into Nietzsche, and one of his lovers was a member of the Orthodox Church who was leaving it, but when he learned about it from him, he ended up being drawn to it, and it influenced him philosophically and politically to become a strong traditionalist.
Anyway, in Nihilism, Father Seraphim, interfacing with Nietzsche (but also condemning Nietzsche for being merely a new kind of nihilist), draws out a "dialectic" of nihilism. Different stages can and do overlap, but they still are broadly reactions against each other. Before the dialectic starts, truth is see as subject, it is God, truth is most ultimately known through revelation, truth revealing himself. The dialectic kicks in with liberalism, which started in the West with the Enlightenment. Liberalism redefines truth as an object, not something which reveals itself, but something discovered purely through reason, albeit still metaphysical. God here is deistic, just used to "tidy things up" and fix the loose ends of the system. Then Realism reacts against that, and says metaphysical truth is nonsense, what matters are material facts, which are found solely in the concrete world, not in gibberish like rights and so on. Then against realism reacts Vitalism, which observes that our perceptions all differ, and if perception of the material is the measure of fact or truth, then all perceptions are equally true, and truth therefore cannot be used to estimate the value of a statement; instead, statements should be valued by how much they affirm life, but even while saying this, vitalism rebels against the sanctity of life and often glorifies violence and evil as life-affirming. In reaction to vitalism comes Destructivism, which ceases to care about creativity, and is concerned only with worship of nothing, expressing itself through destruction (we see a bit of both of the last two movements in Stirner, who literally worships the creative nothing).
You can read the work here (you can skip the preface, which isn't by the author): http://oodegr.co/english/filosofia/nihilism_root_modern_age.htm
>>7989857
Pretty good summary. I'm familiar with Seraphim Rose but haven't read anyway.
> Liberalism redefines truth as an object, not something which reveals itself
Orthodoxy is stronger for having denied the modern impulse to equate "Truth" with "Knowledge." Rose is right to point out that from this mistaken position emerges a lot of problems of our age.
I will add, however, that a Thomist position should not fall into this trap.
>>7990799
I don't think it would, though I also think Scholasticism absolutely came out of the secularist movement in Islam, and Scholasticism absolutely laid the foundations for liberalism, although liberalism perverted it
>>7989857
>fell for the "Nietzsche was a nihilist" meme
Did anyone else catch this? I feel like the play is filled with Marxist undertones that criticize the consumerist, capitalist society where Willy's labor is alienated and his commodity fetishism and desire for power ultimately leads to his death and the destruction of his family. Ben's character seems to me to represent a yearning for an outlet to express his true self and inner wilderness, but he is unable to do so because of the consumerist culture that surrounds him. His value system ends up corrupting his children so that they cannot live normal, happy lives as well.
>Anti-consumerist=marxist
Wew lad
Well, Arthur Miller was pretty well known for being anti-capitalist. His play All my Son's is about how there's more to life than the American dream of making money, the play points out the flaws in American society back then. Like the play points out how people equate love for their family with how much money they can make for them, no matter the cost
>>7989898
I'm not saying Miller was a Marxist, but I think it is a critique of capitalism and its functionality, and not just consumer culture
