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>"The falseness of an opinion," said Nietzsche, "is not for us any objection to it.... The question is, how far an opinion is life-furthering, life-preserving...." [15] When such pragmatism begins, Nihilism passes into the Vitalist stage, which may be defined as the elimination of truth as the criterion of human action, and the substitution of a new standard: the "life-giving," the "vital"; it is the final divorce of life from truth.
>Vitalism is a more advanced kind of Realism; sharing the latter's narrow view of reality and its concern to reduce everything higher to the lowest possible terms, Vitalism carries the Realist intention one step further. Where Realism tries to reestablish an absolute truth from below, Vitalism expresses the failure of this project in the face of the more "realistic" awareness that there is no absolute here below, that the only unchanging principle in this world is change itself Realism reduces the supernatural to the natural, the Revealed to the rational, truth to objectivity; Vitalism goes further and reduces everything to subjective experience and sensation. The world that seemed so solid, the truth that seemed so secure to the Realist, dissolve in the Vitalist view of things; the mind has no more place to rest, everything is swallowed up in movement and action.
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>>7993316
>The logic of unbelief leads inexorably to the Abyss; he who will not return to the truth must follow error to its end. So does humanism, too, after having contracted the Realist infection, succumb to the Vitalist germ. Of this fact there is no better indication than the "dynamic" standards that have come to occupy an increasingly large place in formal criticism of art and literature, and even in discussions of religion, philosophy, and science. There are no qualities more prized in any of these fields today than those of being "original," "experimental," or "exciting"; the question of truth, if it is raised at all, is more and more forced into the background and replaced by subjective criteria: "integrity," "authenticity," "individuality."
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>>7993323
>Such an approach is an open invitation to obscurantism, not to mention charlatanry; and if the latter may be dismissed as a temptation for the Vitalist that has not become the rule, it is by no means possible to ignore the increasingly blatant obscurantism which the Vitalist temperament tolerates and even encourages. It becomes ever more difficult in the contemporary intellectual climate to engage in rational discussion with Vitalist apologists. If one, for example, inquires into the meaning of a contemporary work of art, he will be told that it has no " meaning," that it is "pure art" and can only be "felt," and that if the critic does not "feel" it properly he has no right to comment on it. The attempt to introduce any standard of criticism, even of the most elementary and technical sort, is countered by the claim that old standards cannot be applied to the new art, that they are "static," "dogmatic," or simply "out-of-date," and that art today can be judged only in terms of its success in fulfilling its own unique intentions. If the critic sees a morbid or inhuman intent behind a work of art, the apology is that it is an accurate reflection of the "spirit of the age," and it is implied that a man is naive if he believes that art should be more than that. The latter argument is, of course, the favorite one of every avant-garde today, whether literary, philosophical, or "religious." For men weary of truth it is enough that a thing "is," and that it is "new" and "exciting."
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>>7993334
>These are, perhaps, understandable reactions to the overly literary and utilitarian approach of Liberalism and Realism to realms like art and religion which use a language quite unlike the prosaic language of science and business; to criticize them effectively, surely, one must understand their language and know what it is they are trying to say. But what is equally clear is that they are trying to say something: everything man does has a meaning, and every serious artist and thinker is trying to communicate something in his work. If it be proclaimed there is no meaning, or that there is only the desire to express the "spirit of the age," or that there is no desire to communicate at all--why, these too are meanings, and very ominous ones, which the competent critic will surely notice. Unfortunately, but very significantly, the task of criticism today has been virtually identified with that of apology; the role of the critic is generally seen to be no more than that of explaining, for the uninstructed multitudes, the latest "inspiration" of the "creative genius." [16] Thus passive "receptivity" takes the place of active intelligence, and "success"--the success of the "genius" in expressing his intention, no matter what the nature of that intention--replaces excellence. By the new standards Hitler too was "successful," until the "spirit of the age" proved him " wrong"; and the avant-garde and its humanist "fellow-travellers" have no argument whatever against Bolshevism today, unless it be that, unlike National Socialism, which was "expressionistic" and "exciting," it is completely prosaic and Realistic.
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>No structure at all.
>"... put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant"
>Literally written to be overly analyzed.
>It's fucking boring and stupid.
>He doesn't even use quotation marks.
When will this meme stop?
>>7993301
A divine work of art. Greatest masterpiece of 20th century prose. Towers above the rest of Joyce's writing. Noble originality, unique lucidity of thought and style. Molly's monologue is the weakest chapter in the book. Love it for its lucidity and precision.
>>7993301
>No structure at all.
Nigga, what?
>It's fucking boring and stupid.
Wrong opinions is wrong.
>He doesn't even use quotation marks.
Meaningless.
people who think there is a deeper meaning in this chaotic novel are the same retards that think a piece of toast looking like Jesus, or a random pattern in a tomato, is a message from god
Hey lit. I'm about to start writing and I want to know what you guys think of my project. Here's a summary!
(Book name at the moment is Letters To The Future, but i might change that)
Charles is a mess. He has good ideas but no time to write them out. His roommate is an insufferable narcissist. His ex-girlfriend is his only real friend, but nobody believes that they aren't still together. His family is annoying and unsupportive. At the moment, Charles is having a hard time trying to find the motivation to do anything. Out of sheet boredom, he writes a letter to his future self. The next morning, after rebooting his computer, Charles is surprised to say the least when he finds a response waiting for him.
Anyone interested? I will elaborate on the minutia of the story if anyone wants.
Telling us about the story will release the same chemicals in your brain that drive you to write it, so don't talk about it until you've finished.
Whether or not it's any interesting to read depends on how you write it, plot summaries are generally uninspiring.
>>7993248
>Anyone interested?
Nah not really.
>>7993255
Thanks for the frank speech, it's what I come here for. Perhaps I should elaborate, do you think the story is interesting enough to be a full novel? Does the prompt itself have the potential, or should I just wait and stick it in with some other short stories?
Does /lit/ know of any novels that "tell, don't show" rather than "show, don't tell?"
I both "telled" and "show" my mom your dick last night, bro
>>7993120
Why are you even on /lit/? We both know you've never read anything longer than this sentence before.
>>7993117
Look in the critique thread
Arthurian Edition
What's your favorite book about (or inspired by)
the King Arthur mythos?
Previously: >>7985766
>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/3v2oXAY.jpg (embed)
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg (embed)
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg (embed)
>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg (embed)
General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg (embed)
>>7992428
>What's your favorite book about (or inspired by) the King Arthur mythos?
I've always really enjoyed Cornwell's Warlord Chronicles. Been meaning to read his Sharpe stories too.
the once and future king you stupid fucks
>>7992505
>random BR thinks he speaks for everyone
Don't you have a soccer stadium to burn down?
>tfw subvocalizer
>texting solid 8/10
>Going great she invites me over
>Going to get the keys to my mom's car when my iPhone vibrates
>She texted me
>Wait do u sub-vocalize?
>Tell her yeah it's nbd
>She doesn't respond
>Show up at her place
>Lights are off no one answers the door
>Never hear from her again
...
I know that feel. I try to add dramatic flair in my head when I read which makes no sense since I am my own audience.Link to the website?
>>7992190
Source?
What kind of names does /lit/ plan on giving (or have already given) children.
All I can ever really think of are standard English names like John, Edward, James, David, Daniel, Samuel, George, Henry, Thomas, etc.
But I've been thinking about naming a child after pic related.
Ulysses is such a great name with rich literary and historical taste.
What other names stand on the same level?
Melvin
>>7992137
that dudes name is Hiram, OP
>>7992137
Zerubbabel
It means dispersion of confusion, or 'wanderer of Babylon' in Hebrew
Recommend me comfy literature.
I heard this is comfy.
V. by Pynchon.
Comfiest thing I've read in a while, but there's one chapter that everyone on /lit/ complains about.
>>7991675
Is it the mouse sex chapter?
Daily Reminder that he literally got cucked by some guy called Paul Ree over some girl called Lou Salome whom he spent about a week with, assumed she'd go for him and got rejected.
Daily reminder all his work is a backlash tantrum and le epic journey/search for ''''truth'''' despite denying the absolutely crystal clear (to anyone non-retarded) truth that he was in need of some mates.
Daily reminder he wanted to suck on Napoleon's 2 incher because he was so brave and could like set in motion the actions leading to mass death and suffering and that's good for some reason.
Daily reminder he was convinced one has to suffer because you need it to be happy because yeh like they are mixed or something..! His reasoning really was about as good as that. He was the edgy, loner faggot who makes a manifesto before shooting up his school because he's listened to too much Marilyn Manson and couldn't get his dick sucked of his day.
A shithole legacy and effect on the world, a pathetic guy
>>7983561
Yet people will read him and write about him for centuries while OP will probably die anonymous. Pathetic indeed.
>>7983561
You sound like the beta king, right there max.
syphilis is a hell of a way to go.
Regardless, The Birth of Tragedy is a beautiful piece of theory. You're just an anonymous faggot, surrounded by other anonymous faggots.
In Search of Lost Time; The Trial and A Hunger Artist; The Magic Mountain; Women in Love and Birds, Beasts and Flowers; Mrs Dalloway and To The Lighthouse; Ulysses; The Sound and the Fury; Six Characters in Search of an Author; The Second Coming and Sailing to Byzantium; The Waste Land and The Hollow Men; Hugh Selwyn Mauberley and the first 30 Cantos; Harmonium; White Buildings; Duino Elegies and Sonnets to Orpheus; Gypsy Ballads; Twenty Love Poems and a Song of Despair; much of Pessoa's work; and so much more were published in just those ten years.
Was this the most creatively fecund period in the history of literature?
thread inspired by this one from a few days ago: https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S7963782
>>7977471
i think the interwar period was a good time for literature with the developments of swing jazz and the whole "roaring twenties" aesthetic. But also the seedier aspects too. There's a reason Dashiell Hammett still gets taught in universities to this day
>publication dates
>relevant
What books within the past century could be / should be potentially considered a part of the Western canon?
the past century is a long time. or do you mean since 2000?
>>7994653
I mean since 1916, my man. I'm curious to see what people would consider the best of the West's contribution to literature.
Probably high school-core like 1984, Animal Farm (representative of concerns regarding totalitarianism and Stalinism - reflective of political concerns during the century); The Great Gatsby (representative of how "the american dream" is superficial and false); Ulysses (some of the most expressive literature conceived); and then I'm at a bit of a loss.
Why are Evola and Nietzsche two of the most profound thinkers of the modern age?
I've yet to read anything by other literary philosophers that even begins to scratch the surface of what these two men have accomplished.
>>7994222
you bastard
>>7994230
fuck off limey
A half an hour with a homeless person is enough to disprove everything Nietzsche ever said, and also enough to prove the truth of the Gospels.
>>7993138
If a hobo can do it so quickly then it should be a cinch for you to explain how.
I work in a place that homeless people often frequent and recently sent half an hour watching one jerk off at one of the computers.
>>7993142
What was he watching? Anything good, did you recommend anything?
Anyone read the new DeLillo yet?
Isn't it out in mid-May?
Just bought the signed edition from Barnes and Noble with that pretty cool coupon. Will get it Wednesday or Thursday.
H A U N T I N Gwhen the doctor finds his daughter behind the ice tanks :'(
Hey so my sister and I got into an argument about feminism. Which in the end, I admitted I didn't know that much about.
Any good starter feminist literature that's a staple in /lit/? Thanks.
>>7989943
gender trouble is ok but it relies heavily on foucault
>>7989945
Thanks, checking it out
are you talking books with feminist themes or books on feminist theory?
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