I often view philosophy as complete rubbish. Mindless mental musing with no goal, direction, or pragmatic capacity.
However, upon expressing these views, I'm often immediately attacked with the claims that science cannot exist without philosophy. That we can know nothing without philosophy. The terms epistemology and solipsism are oft thrown around.
As someone who understands the power of the scientific method but knows little about "proper philosophy", I may be a tad biased and uninformed in my opinion. So I'd like to ask everyone on /lit/: What are your views on the field of philosophy?
It's very big and I shall not generalise.
To philosophize is to learn how to die
>>7418273
>no pragmatic capacity
Pragmatism is literally a branch of philosophy.
Anyway, science is fantastic at using inductive claims to find how probable statements are, but its weakness is just that; it can only claim things are probable. We can use it for a lot of thungs, but its progress is limited to certain feilds and limited uses. True progress comes not from changing the data we analyze, but from changing the way we analyze altogether. This is the biggest reason philosophy is important in my opinion.
Are any of these black classics worth a read? If so, which would you recommend
>>7418265
>black classics
Du Bois, Morrison, Hughes, Douglass, the list goes on...
>>7418265
>The Nose
They're like 80p and like 80 pages long whats the problem
>>7418312
ayy lmao
Trying to write some poetry.
do 'sock' and 'hawk' rhyme?
>>7418247
Yes, also rhyme doesn't have to be perfect.
not in most accents
>>7418254
In what country, the UK? In the US they rhyme
I want to begin studying economics, but I don't really know where to start. With most things it's pretty clear, but I really have no idea here? What is the "start with the Greeks" of economics?
>>7418246
Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell, and Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt (Hazlet? I'm not sure)
Once you get a little more familiar you should read some stuff by Ludwig Von Mises and Freidrich Hayek and Milton Friedman
They'll all dissuade you from all modern Leftist economics beliefs and theories being pushed in our modern age
>>7418369
Not OP but also interested on economics, thanks
Immanuel Wallerstein
Holy fuck,
I am maybe 20 pages from finishing this 730 page book, and honestly I can barely force myself to get through it.
So far, this book contains perhaps 250~ pages of the most beautiful prose I've personally ever read.
There are truly some gems of passages in this book.
Normally you have to dig through dirt for your Gems, but this book makes you dig though boring whinging by a moapy cu-ck, truly depressingly boring metaphysical garbage (no wonder eliot loved this book, its got cu'cks and boring metaphysical attempts at discussing otherwise interesting topics like literature) and some fucking stupid tangents which never reward the reader with anything.
Some of the ideas that encompass the chapters are MARVELOUS.
Specifically episode 15, the play script, and episode 17 where the entire chapter is an overly analytical autism fest in the best possible way, where human meaning is somehow teased out of the clinical language and descriptions.
Its so fucking amazing when it works well, but really it hardly ever does.
Thank god stream of consciousnesses is mostly dead, while we are on the topic.
>expected cheeky bantz and ssj.Dubliners
>got boring whingy stream of cu-cksciousness
WOW
Feel kind of sick that a man could take a love for the Odyssey and turn it into this crap DESU.
I feel disappointed in Joyce, in a way.I feel honestly let down. Because parts of this book are so fucking good that I see Dante or Shakespeare poking their heads out. He could have been a giant and given something entirely new to the world. made something his own.
Now I begin to feel he sits in the "literary pantheon" much the way the soggy Bloom sits in his wedding bed.
Putting Ulysses In the meme-trilogy with Infinite Jest is, in all none-meme'n honesty, an insult to Infinite Jest. Yes I am 100% as serious as cancer.
If you have been considering reading this book, don't.
Go read some "quotes" from it. You will get the few golden scraps.
Disappointed. If I'm ever in Ireland I'll make sure to go piss on Joyce's grave. I'm sure is tiny bleached boner would rise in its grave.
retard
ok
he coulda been a contender he coulda had class
For what kind of reasons do people here not like Catcher in The Rye?
Is it just because Holden is a whiny shit?
>For what kind of reasons do people here not like Catcher in The Rye?
I'm curious where you got this conception because every time the book is discussed, this viewpoint gets lambasted as reddit
>Is it just because Holden is a whiny shit?
Yes, redditors cannot understand a protagonist who they aren't supposed to fully relate to/support
Also the most important part is when he rapes his sister, Phoebe
>>7418225
I got a boner when he raped his sister...
Am I pedo now?
>>7418200
I dont dislike it but i dont find it a good book.
“I can't imagine a man really enjoying a book and reading it only once.”
― C.S. Lewis
What do you think /lit/?
>>7418160
Pseudo-intellectual who thought his ideas were more important than they were.
I read my favorite books more than once, but sometimes I don't.
>not living an average of sixty or so years
>not utilizing the sheer amount of free time that will be at your disposal to reread the things you enjoy
What an odd phenomena the Narnia books are, where no kid actually enjoys them and no adult enjoys them but they imagine kids find them whimsical and charming so the books survive as obligation from generation to generation.
>>7418145
Hey man I enjoyed reading them as a kid.
>>7418145
It is because the books are promoted by Christians.
>>7418193
This - plenty of parents haven't even read them, they just go "Oh, that's a... good, wholesome book? Right?" and another set gets sold.
I myself am not a big reader, and after some google research I still can't find much for ideas.
As part of my University coursework I need to create a short film from a scene adapted from a novel or short story. The piece will be around 7 minutes long, maybe just over.
I am looking for something interesting, something fun to watch and film, and fun for the actors to act in. Must ideally have a female lead role as my close friend has agreed to act and she has spent her whole life in acting schools. This will be for her showreel too.
No idea on genre, but something kooky/arty. Fantasy etc would obviously be hard to recreate, horror can look very tacky unless done well and good plot/production. I'm thinking maybe psychotic? Something interesting though.
Thanks in advance, any help would be great and much appreciated.
If there are strong female lead roles in novels or scenes from a novel that you think would be great please fire away! Will try involve as few characters as possible (saves having many actors)
Pic related, deadline is soon and this is my life generally :)
Is copyright an issue? (no idea that's conditional on it, just getting it out of the way)
The Bear - Chekhov
Is here any author similar to de Sade? I mean perverted and very funny?
>>7418045
it's almost as if you're describing.... the pinecone man
>>7418045
Try Petronius' Satyricon.
>>7418045
Algernon Swinburne, directly inspired by sade, but more beautifully written
i just read steppenwolf by herman hesse,so i'm interested to see your opinion on this book :)
>>7418024
i liked the idea of lonley man,just like i am,and he has some good statemants of people that do small talks and all that fake bulshit society does - being nice to everyone just because me must.
Good book. Now go ahead with your life.
I felt like I was self-inserting myself, so I stopped reading.
Does one have to be american to really appreaciate his works?
Not sure but I'm Dutch and absolutely loved Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
No, but you might have to be a teenager.
I'm not bashing him, he's still one of my favourite authors and the man who got me interested in politics when I was 16, but if I were introduced to him today I might be turned off by the overzealous focus on drug-use.
When you look past this surface impression you'll find an author that really was dedicated to his craft; to the great American virtues of freedom, humour, and truth. He is quintessentially American in this regard.
I'm English by the way.
>>7417895
Are his other works than Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas focused on drugs a lot?
Currently reading this. What's /lit/'s opinion on the book?
I kind of like background stories on Swat-valley and Pakistan, provides nice insight on an otherwise quite unknown culture. Didn't know that this valley was called 'Switzerland in the east' for example.
On the other hand, seems quite fabricated and very much like propaganda during some parts. For example Malala's family is portrayed as saints and the smartest in the region. Could also be due to the fact that she's only 17 when she wrote the book.
Don't read it for the prose though
Why is most pop pleb lit about brown people suffering?
>>7417880
So she go shot up.
She has about as much qualifications to be an author as 50 cent
I get my share of underage crao on 4chan, 2bh.
When it comes to Greek: received pronunciation? or restored pronunciation?
>>7417665
>happy hour
>two hours long
>>7417665
>not being fully incarnated in both pronunciations/spacetimes at the drop of a hat
>while at the same time not succumbing to diachronic fallacy
Where did that ass go?
Just finished The crying of lot 49.
First Pynchon I've read and I liked it, are his other works similar, what did people think of it?
>>7417653
Lot 49 isn't that special, but it's a good novel. Pynchon's just more in his element with longer novels and 49 felt rushed in places, like he was holding himself back from being more discursive.
>>7417653
Crying of Lot was fantastic and it is that special.
>>7417653
Are you sure you liked it? Be sincere, we won't judge you.
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