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read Dostoyevsky

>>8270339
Definitely Notes from Underground.

>>8270339
You lucky fucker. The highs are supposed to be amazing.

It's translated as "shown"
Every sub-numbering is a further comment or clarification on the preceding propositions so you should post those too

>>8270295
I'm no good at translating, but here we go:

4 Thoughts are meaningful sentences
4.1 Sentences portray ruling or non-ruling in private situations
4.12 Sentences can portray the whole truth, but not what they must have in common with reality in order to show - their logical form.
To show a logical form, we should be able to seat ourselves outside logic, a.k.a. outside the world.
4.121 Sentences cannot show a logica form - it is projected from sentences.
What is projected from language, cannot be portrayed by language.
What portrays itself in language, that we cannot portray with language.
Sentences show the truths logical form.
The sentences show it.
4.1212 What can be shown cannot be said.

>>8270329
Yep. It's the old saying/showing distinction. Very important idea in the book, and also the most controversial ...

>>8270258
Haven't read the novels you're mentionning, but from your description of them, I'd advise reading the following : The Vatican Cellars, by André Gide.

is the postman actually a good book?

>>8270258
that greentext story about the movie Drive

>>8270187
I'm pretty sure thats the part when they burn down the hotel. From what I recall Old Sidney was already on the ground and Toadvine told him to kick him in the face.

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>>8270194
My bad, I should have been more specific. This happens when when the kid and Toadvine first cross paths. The fight starts when the kid "kicks him in the face."

Only other explanation is pic related.

>>8270187
The guy he kicks in the face had already fallen to the floor since, y'know, Toadvine fucking jumped him. C'mon, OP, you can't blame your inability to read on McCarthy.

>>8270179

Yeah, Iago. To a certain extent Ulysses from Troilus and Cressida as well.

>>8270179
I thought the leader kid in the group of young boys from The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea was pretty bad, actually. He persuades his friends to kill a kitten and to kill the sailor from what I remember, all the while expressing no sense of remorse.

>>8270179
Probably not, but I'd like to say fuck john claggart

Fuck you I worked for those respects

>>8270132
same desu senpai, what sort of work did you do?

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>>8270132

F

>>8270065
define great philosopher

>>8270065
Clearly you haven't read my stuff

>>8270065
>Is that all there really is to it?

Kind of. Better get used to it or start planning to become a hermit.

>It's fun.

The end.

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Forgot to say i already read nietsche.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegalism

Lordship and Bondsman passage is one of my favorites in philosophy

'Moral Dissemblance' is a btfo for the ages.

I like the part where he dies from cholera

1. Idk honestly, the side characters were pretty shit, I guess I always liked the werewolf professor and malfoy

2. London because of the lack of pakis at the time

3. Masturbating to hermione

>>8269833
1. Bellatrix. I fapped to her. And Fleur, i fapped to her as well.

2. Prefects bathroom. its co-ed so i could fuck Fleur during fourth year there.

3. I used to masturbate a lot while reading. Lots of memories.

Snape, sorry.

The Quidditch tournament.

When Harry tears Malfoy open I guess. I don't think back to much of it very fondly and the only thing I remember reading over several times is the flashback to Snape getting bullied.

please respond ;_;

>>8269876
Any book will do, y'know. As long as it entertains you... Just pick up anything that you find interesting but isn't too heavy to read. If you are travelling, you'll only read while resting so keep that in mind.

European romantics feature a whole bunch of dicking around in the countryside

Goethe's Wilhelm Meister (both, IIRC)
Le Grand Meaulnes
Aus dem Leben eines Taugenichts
etc.

He's incomprehensible.

>>8269728
>but probably a closeted Christian as well

So is Zizek. So is Agamben.

>>8270466
Agamben I can believe.

>skipping Epicurus, Cicero, Lucretius, Pseudo-Dionysus the Areopagite, Plotinus, Porphyry

Tbqh tho kid you could skip most. For a basic foundation, read a bit of Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Hume, and Kant (or read Schopenhauer, he teaches Kant decently)

>>8269705
yeah i had epicurus/lucretius and epictetus/aurelius, but really trying to winnow this down. you're saying bare bones could look like this?
>plato
>aristotle
>descartes
>hume
>kant/schopenhauer

Sorta, it's not bad

If I were you, I'd read Machiavelli before the other Early Moderns (because self-contained), add Bacon before Descartes, move Hobbes to before Descartes, move Hume to just after Descartes, and I would consider moving Berkeley AFTER Hume because it's easier to read representationalists before an Idealist and then the phenomenalist Kant. Maybe add Thomas Reid before Kant. Also Mill's epistemology goes after the Idealists, not before.

You're going to be reading a lot of stuff in a vacuum, the way you're going, which will make it difficult. Kant does depart from Hume, but he also departs from a lot of other stuff that he just assumes is implicit in dealing with empiricist thought, e.g. Similar problem for Aquinas. You can either read a lot more authors to flesh things out, or just make sure you read a lot of secondary literature that contextualises each author.

Also the development of Western thought is a lot less linear in general, so you might be surprised at the necessity or temptation for detours.

>>8269705
Of those, I think only Plotinus is really seriously necessary, and to be honest no one fucking reads Plotinus, because the Enneads are a nightmare. They just read descriptions of his main ideas

Congratulations, you finally get it.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org

>>8269639
>Buddhism
What?

>>8269639
>Eastern memes
Nope.
Eastern phil is decisional as fuck, more than Western phil

>>8269475
>reflect modern life
in what way? in a literal one where people talk about current problems and use all kinds of gadgets and online services, etc.? or something that describes the weird atmosphere we live in?

>>8269517
Not Opie, but does such literature exist that isn't YA or awful?