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What are your thoughts on the Metamorphoses, /lit/? I just finished. Now on to finish Dubliners and then I'm going to start Bill's sonnets.
I found it very funny and very charming, quite different to Homer and Virgil. There's a well-rounded humanity in the Metamorphoses that's you don't get in those two. It's also the most influential work in the history of western literature (literally *ALL* of the Greco-Roman mythology referenced from Medieval times on was taken from Ovid).
What were your favourite stories? Some of mine were Io, Procne and Philomela and the Centauromachy. The latter is one of the funniest things I've ever read.
dude im a cockroche lmao!
>>8082574
I definitely agree re charming. I think believe it's commonly held that Bill loved Ovid and uses the Metamorphoses for most myths, which is pretty obvious between Romeo and Juliet and A Midsummer Night's Dream.
I particularly like Pyramus and Thisbe, everything Orpheus , and Ulysseus and Ajax's speeches for Achille's arms.
Why did you like the Centauromachy? I didn't really appreciate it. Maybe it wasn't a great translation.
>The essential moments of the system are really already completely contained in the pre-suppositions of the definitions, from which all further proofs have merely to be deduced. But whence have we these categories which here appear as definitions? We find them doubtless in ourselves, in scientific culture. The existence of the understanding, the will, extension, is therefore not developed from infinite substance, but it is directly expressed in these determinations, and that quite naturally; for of a truth there exists the One into which everything enters, in order to be absorbed therein, but out of which nothing comes. For as Spinoza has set up the great proposition, all determination implies negation (supra, p. 267), and as of everything, even of thought in contrast to extension, it may be shown that it is determined and finite, what is essential in it rests upon negation.
So is he saying that Spinoza's propositions are meaningless because they rest on principles which he himself negates? Or is there something beyond that that I'm missing?
Also
>There is lacking the infinite form, spirituality and liberty
Is he saying that these things must necessarily exist in order for Spinoza to be able to negate their existence?
>>8082548
>www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hp/hpspinoz.htm
Link to full text
>>8082548
Hegel is the best. I've never read anything by him but he's my favorite philosopher.
>>8082657
Believe me, I'm well aware of how unlikely it is I'll actually get an answer, but I might as well try.
I'm looking for stories featuring Indiana Jones-esque characters traveling the world for adventure and/or treasure.
Old, pulpy series would be what I'm looking for but id be interested with anything featuring those tropes.
>>8082355
Uncharted 4
Allan Quatermain was a big influence on the Indiana Jones Character if I remember correctly
Also, I rec A.C. Doyles' The Lost World.
>>8082357
That's what inspired my interest!
Seriously though, I've read nothing but depressing novels this year an I need something light to indulge in.
Lear was just pretending to be mad all along so he could find out which one of his daughters really loved him.
>>8082349
where are your spoiler tags
That's absolute bullshit my friend
Now Hamlet, that dude was pretending
>>8082349
I like Henry Jaffa's essay on Lear found in Bloom's Shakespeare's Politics. He examines the first scene and shows why King Lear is the great king and thus the greatest tragic character in shakespeare as well as what he was thinking to do and why he divided the kingdom.
Was Neo-Gothic/Medievalist art life-denying? Was it a period of decline for the arts? How can you summarise it philosophically?
It is confusing because the source material it uses often seems quite beautiful, as in pic related or franco-flemish music (renaissance technically but these musicians didn't have classical source material unlike other artists then).
>>8082246
I don't know what you mean by "art" here, Architecture, Literature, painting?
It changes the question quite a lot in my view.
If by art you mean visual arts and if you take religiousity as life denying, then yes.
How can I learn to write prose like a professional? I'm willing to put in the effort it takes. I have a novella outlined out but I don't think I have the skills to do it well.
nigga is u dumb
how do you learn to fight like an MMA fighter? how do you learn to drive a car? how do you learn mathematics?
nigga u practise
u start out shit, but u practise everyday senpai
then we all gon make it
>>8082162
>nigga is u dumb
>how do you learn to fight like an MMA fighter? how do you learn to drive a car? how do you learn mathematics?
>nigga u practise
>u start out shit, but u practise everyday senpai
>then we all gon make it
this. Ironically this post is prose, it's authentic and truthful.
>>8082152
Read more, live more, write more.
Includes
>Stephen King
>Amy Tan
>Daniel Handler
>etc.
>AN OPEN LETTER TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
https://archive.is/xxIDe
Because, as writers, we are particularly aware of the many ways that language can be abused in the name of power;
Because we believe that any democracy worthy of the name rests on pluralism, welcomes principled disagreement, and achieves consensus through reasoned debate;
Because American history, despite periods of nativism and bigotry, has from the first been a grand experiment in bringing people of different backgrounds together, not pitting them against one another;
Because the history of dictatorship is the history of manipulation and division, demagoguery and lies;
Because the search for justice is predicated on a respect for the truth;
Because we believe that knowledge, experience, flexibility, and historical awareness are indispensable in a leader;
Because neither wealth nor celebrity qualifies anyone to speak for the United States, to lead its military, to maintain its alliances, or to represent its people;
Because the rise of a political candidate who deliberately appeals to the basest and most violent elements in society, who encourages aggression among his followers, shouts down opponents, intimidates dissenters, and denigrates women and minorities, demands, from each of us, an immediate and forceful response;
For all these reasons, we, the undersigned, as a matter of conscience, oppose, unequivocally, the candidacy of Donald J. Trump for the Presidency of the United States.
fucking wankers
>>8082138
These bourgeoisie fucks are really getting desperate.
I'm actually terrified of Trump winning. As a male writer, I value things like equality and beauty, people like Trump will likely cause a new wave of "old" (aka fucking toxic) masculinity to return.
so when are emoticons going to replace tiring and excessively long description?
just imagine some realist novel with emoticons in it
>dimitri felt saddened, and within a fraction of time he was on his knees crying :'(
like just replace useless stuff with emoticons. it also adds some kind of tragedy
you're living in the past, friend
>>8082126
>like just replace useless stuff with emoticons. it also adds some kind of tragedy
no
>>8082133
no that stuff is just teenagebait. I'm talking about adding pre emoji emoticons to convey something
ie. : to be or not to be-that is the question :/
Why is literature meaningful? Is there more than philosophical/sociological/psycological content to literature? Sometimes I feel like literature just hides and confuses themes of other disciplines under the beauty of language and the triggering of emotions. So, is there something deeper other than language handicraft and emotion in literature that is not stolen from other subjects?
>meaning
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>Is there more than philosophical/sociological/psycological content to literature?
That isn't enough for you, little snowflake?
>>8082033
I mean, then why not reading directly philosophy/psychology/...?
Who was in the right here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wfNl2L0Gf8
>>8081993
Me, 'cause I never watched this dumb documentary lol
Both. They didn't really reply to each other.
>>8081993
Was it a deliberate attempt to distract Foucault?
What's the proper /lit/ order to go through The Bible?
>>8081961
1.) Open the book
2.) Realize that you have made a mistake
3.) try to return book
4.) ???
5.) Suicide
There ya go friendo
>>8081961
In order.
I'd say start with page one, maybe page two afterwards.
just dont read page three before you've read the other two.
It seems really interesting. What should I expect?
The third greatest masterpiece of 20th century prose.
>>8081783
Nabokov, is this you?
One of my top 10 books of all time. Nabokov praises it as one of the great modernist masterpieces he's read. I enjoyed it a lot. It's one of the few novels I've read more than once.
Are there any books about heart break and suicide?
hmmmmm.....let me check.....
yes.
Fuck you faggots
>>8081725
Well now we are getting somewhere a book about faggots, heart break, and suicide...Openly Straight by Bill Konigsburg
>I think I would know Nora's fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers out in a roomful of farting women. It is a rather girlish noise not like the wet windy fart which I imagine fat wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty like what a bold girl would let off in fun in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also,
Which other writers revel in the grotesque?
>tfw Gass never said that
>tfw you will never make a pun about Gass's love letters to his wife Nora because he never wrote them
>tfw if he did actually say that some memer would have already made a joke by the time you thought about doing it
>>8081709
Pic unrelated, I've just seen a lot of buzz around William Gass lately so I thought it'd be a good magnet for conversation.
>grotesque
you're not using this correctly. a "grotesque" is a specific literary term.
Is Chesterton the greatest "man of letters" in the history of the English language?
There were better poets, better writers, better essayists, better dramatists, better critics, and better philosophers, but I'm not sure there's anyone else who could do every one of those things at the level he could do them. He seems to have mastered all possible uses of the written word.
He knew how to drop a fat beat, that's for sure.
hm... maybe
>>8081661
Chesterton is a really interesting figure, and one of the most intriguing jacks of all trades of our modern era. His ability to do so much in so many fields is astounding, and I think it's cool that he managed to actually contribute to every one of his interests and hobbies.
I'm not a huge fan, but the best modern analogue is probably Chomsky. STEM equivalent is Feynman, I guess.
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