(Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!)
That's what God said when he kicked out Adam and Eve. No joke.
>>7683542
I watched a video about this phrase. Apparently it's an amalgamation of the word "thunder" in multiple languages.
How would you characterize literature described as "operatic" vs "balletic" vs "balladic", et cetera? What connotations to those words hold when translated from a musical stage into written word (or adapted written word, a la movies)? What words, phrases, feelings come to mind?
For me, "opera" implies something austere, perhaps pretentious, and sticking to the classical dramatic story arcs of tragedies or comedies. Whereas "ballet" implies a story that's more personal, fleshing out actual characters, and focusing on accentuating very particular light or dark traits of the main character. And "ballad" suggests a story that's rooted in a culture or subculture, retold for either nostalgia's or for irony's sake.I know literally nothing about classical music/stage performance, and the above is pulled from me having watched Black Swan, TDKR, and being subjected to a lot of country singers.
>How would you characterize literature described as "operatic" vs "balletic" vs "balladic", et cetera?
I'd characterize that as being pretentious. Where did you see people describe literature like that in the first place?
>>7683594
Pretentious, maybe. It'd be pretentious if someone only used the word because it sounded like a Cool Word to Use, but translating the structures of art forms into other mediums is nothing new. Which is why I want to have a better gut-level understanding of words like the above (feel free to add more to the list) for my working vernacular.
>>7683707
Well, I've never seen anyone describe a book as "balletic". And, anyway, such descriptions sound pretty pointless when the reader (in this case, you) has to ask other people to explain what the critic wanted to say.
Hey you il/lit/erate losers!
I'm writing an essay on Freud for a mid-term in second year university. Here's my thesis:
> The compulsion to repeat in people with traumatic neurosis is a repressed instinct—it is a function of the death drive. In order to help the person transform their fright into anxiety, it fights against the self-preservative instincts which originally repressed the memory of the traumatic situation. It does this because in fright the person’s life is not in their hands and, therefore, neither is their death.
Do you think this is good? Any counter-arguments I should try to discuss?
That sounds quite far fetched to me.
The noir/hardboiled genre has been parodied to death, but what are the books that play all the clichés straight?
Stuff like trenchcoat-wearing, alcoholic detective, long inner monologues and gritty violence, done 100% seriously.
James Ellroy
>>7683442
Which book should I start with?
>>7683423
Gun for sale, graham Greene is exactly this.
Can we talk about Foucault's ethics of care of the self for a moment?
>>7683395
I'm about to dive into the book later today, so not sure how much I could add until then. My only familiarity thus far comes from a (very) few essays and interviews I've read by/of him.
The basic understanding that he operates with is a basic adherence to ideology as the driving force for action, thought, and thus ethics; the dichotomies set up by a society determine what is considered deviant (obviously) and dangerous (a very loaded term when he uses it, which I'd recommend that anons look up in greater detail).
Ethics, as they concern the "self" (which is what The Care of Self is supposedly about), arise along three axes, depending on the type of society you're in: pleasure, actions, and desire. They become more or less relevant in a particular culture's context.
An interesting subtext that I've found so far is how Foucault deviates from Marxism, in the sense that the "self" is conceived of and cared for on a personal/individual level. i.e. the "self" isn't a direct result of the Marxist idea of economic reproduction and ideological apparatuses. The ideology produced in society instead merely determines the particulars of a society's ethics (as they pertain to pleasure, action, and desire) and thus the ways in which someone can deviate, but doesn't implicate the actual production of the self.
Need some Nihilist books. Transgression Fiction, you know the sorts. Lolita, Fight Club, whatever.
Hogg
ITT 14 year old edgelords
Lord of dark places: has all the edge you'd need; paedophilia, rape, murder, racism. Black guy whose kink it is to fuck people to death.
Painted Bird, finally the true and universal decadence and savagery of the polish people is revealed.
>>7683383
Most of these words are very crappy though.
this picture is very atrocious
Why has what is considered to be good literature not changed over the past several hundred years?
If it has - is literature from hundreds of years ago that is considered by current standards to be good actually good, or just timelessly good?
>>7683372
Go read middlemarch or bleak house and then read sabbaths theatre or crying of lot 49 and see if you can ask yourself that question again without sounding stupid.
>>7683378
I've read Bleak House & Sabbath's Theatre.
I was referring actually to a translation of the Gospels which states that out of all of the Gospels - the Four were chosen to be canonised by the Church because they were the best in terms of literary content.
Basically what I'm asking is have standards of literature changed since then?
Just finished Joyces Portrait
Is it bad to say I honestly thought Dubliners was better then this novel, it was good but I found that sometimes I'd get lost in the constant consciousness ramblings.
Onto Ulysses right?
yes dubliners is better
portrait is overrated because the people who tend to frequent this board sees something of himself in stephen, and the relatability/feels aspect bumps up their consideration of the book
portrait is joyce's worst book (which, mind you, still places it somewhere in the top ~250 books of all time)
>>7683309
>better then
Dubliners is shit. You're a pleb. Congrats.
I just finished the Western Canon ending with the Greeks and it was amazing. The Greeks allude to tons of great later works in a culminating masterpiece.
Has anyone here ended with the Achaeans?
>He still hasn't read the Mesopotamian prequels.
Dude. Gilgamesh is like Hercules, Theseus, Perseus and Achilles all distilated into one.
>>7683300
>ending with the Greeks
Ayy lmao
>>7683300
This is some far out meme material brosef
What's /lit/'s opinion on Bukowski?
he invented a new style. I think he will go down in history because of it.
>>7683245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2UCT5ABGa4
>>7683256
"trash" is nothing new
Can you recommend me decent books about witches and knights? All the better when the knight serves a witch.
Go to >>7681093
>>7683233
ITS METALLICA
Can we talk about how "Octet" is so bad it almost made me stop reading "brief interviews with hideous men" ?
Jesus christ it wasn't even that bad up until the last "hey if I'm meta enough nobody will notice I'm a lazy piece of shit and only finished half of the work I was supposed to do" part.
How he explicitely complains about the kind of person who is manipulatively self-deprecating and yet is so fucking self-deprecating throughout the whole chapter about his choice of words and about coming off cringy and insincere. How he pretends his being meta about the whole process of being meta is not open manipulation of the reader a begging for being liked. How this whole thing is completely retarded because the first few stories aren't nearly enough to make the reader even interested in his thought process or why he failed finishing the piece and how he feels about it. And how the whole fucking last "story" he pretends he's completely open and naked and sincere and how he's going to directly ask the reader and still DOESN'T HAVE THE FUCKING BALLS TO DO IT AND RATHER MAKES YOU PRETEND YOU'RE THE WRITER AND THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO ADDRESS THE READER DIRECTLY AND THAT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY HE WHO SHAT THE BED LITERARY SPEAKING.
Jesus christ how did this piece of shit ever get published?
>>7683188
pleb
>>7683188
If it pissed you off that much it did its job perfectly.
>>7683188
i thought it was banal and platitudinous
How much has literature informed your opinions, personality or perspective, /lit/? I'm curious as to how often a reading experience continues to affect you long after the act, and if a work of literature did change you, which was it?
a lot
>>7683160
I read a lot of non-fiction, especially on Theology and Philosophy. I usually think about what I've read and figure out if I agree or disagree. If I disagree, I try to come up with counter-arguments.
Oh, and I guess reading turned me into a theist.
>>7683160
a lot
one of these threads
>>7683154
>dead babies
He does love these,doesn't he.
>>7683154
>tfw want to make cornbread but out of eggs
