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What should I read after the Greeks?
Infinite Jest
medieval theology or skip directly to descartes/hume/kant, don't get memed by romanfags into thinking they're relevant.
>>8210721
Resume with the Romans
How do you cope with the fact that nobody cares about what you have to say?
I feel so unimportant.. i feel so insignificant..
Why is everybody i love leaving me..?
How do I manage to matter?
I want to matter to her man
>>8210688
Okay, you have my attention.
>>8210688
Embrace the vastness of everything else and let yourself become lost in the enormity of the human experience.
You don't cope. You recognise that you're needy and desperate for attention.
Do something productive instead. Do your own thing and stop worrying about others and how they act and behave around you.
What does it tell us that the greatest living philosopher is a 4chan shitposter? Is the influence of this website sometimes understated?
4chan is the only social site worth being a part of.
>>8210637
I'd actually have to agree with this, the only exception being obscure forums related to specific interests.
pseudo intellectual buzzwords that amount to a formula of "exclude others" + "the past was better"
no thanks.
I'm going on a trip and I just finished watching twin peaks for the second time. I need a book recommendation that somewhat fills the same niche and has a similar vibe. Something about a small town with a dark, subtle, and mystical vibe that can also be very light hearted at the same time. I'd like a unique and interesting protagonist that isn't just a vessel for the reader, but is a well-defined character in his own right. Also a heavy focus on setting that treats the setting almost as a character itself. Do you know any books like this?
>>8210559
Read The diary of Laura Palmer, and the diary of Dale Cooper. They are both good books to read if you love Twin peaks and those characters.
>>8210559
>Something about a small town with a dark, subtle, and mystical vibe that can also be very light hearted at the same time.
>Also a heavy focus on setting that treats the setting almost as a character itself
two out of three ain't bad, as a wise man once said
I ***highly*** recommend Haruki Murakami. I got into Lynch and Murakami at the same time, when I was seventeen or eighteen, and although their content isn't exactly the same by virtue of being from different countries and upbringings, their work *works* in extremely similar ways, and deals with similar themes and cultural and personal issues, etc, etc.
Please read Kafka on the Shore, I think you will like it. It's a great starting point, and perhaps his most actively Lynchian. Dance, Dance, Dance, Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World, and The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle are all masterpieces as well, but not the best starting points.
Just finished The Book of Disquiet and, man, this book changed my life. Any others like it?
your mom's diary
Shitty books for edgelords?
Diary of an Oxygen Thief.
is it worth it to read charles fourier and William Morris' own works or is secondary literature enough? i'm not a historian so I'm not particularly excited to read 12 volumes of a minor guy, but if his stuff is good I will.
>>8210519
If you mean William Morris the designer and political activist, then I found pic related to be a useful sampler and a good starting point for investigating his other works.
>>8210625
i did! thanks, i'll check it out
>>8210519
both of them are fun to read. morris is comfy as shit, and fourier is hilarious fun. don't know if all fourier's stuff has been translated, but you should be able to find some in english
What do I need to read in order to better understand the constant references in poetry? I try to enjoy it, and I know what the words mean, but the constant name drops and references to ancient myths/lit always confuses me
So far I got Ovid, and the bible. What else?
th Greeks
aeschylus, sophocles, euripides, homer
also some greek/roman histories.
>>8210478
>aeschylus, sophocles, euripides, homer
but those people suck and aren't fun
Is it possible to read Epictetus' discourses with a secular view? Admittedly I'm only halfway through the first book, but it seems like half of his arguments presuppose the existence of a god.
That's how I read it. What are you having trouble with?
>>8211219
Well to give examples, he argues in
1.3.3 "some of us incline toward intelligence, which we share with the gods, some of us incline towards the kinship that is wretched and mortal, and only a few of us towards that which is divine and blessed", and again a similar argument in 1.12.27 is used to show that reason is "divine" and should be used to rise above savagery.
1.5, "On providence" pretty much justifies a creator because "it's obvious" and "how else could the world be" then goes on to assert a handful of lofty ideas.
1.9 "How from the idea that we are akin to God, one may proceed to what follows" is obviously completely tainted.
etc. It just feels like I'm tip toeing around this idea of god and it's making it difficult to reason about some of his arguments. Am I interpreting this wrong or missing something?
If you understand God/gods as metaphor and not fact then it's perfectly easy.
Gods are personifications of the forces of nature or aspects of the psyche or a unification of all the universe.
Hold the cringe for just a moment, but take Sagan's famous remark of "We are all made of star stuff"; you could argue that it's very similar to the phrase "I and the father are one" if you understand it as someone realizing the indivisible reality of man and nature.
What's behind the window, /lit/?
We are
>>8210423
Your mom svckin my dick to be desu
>>8210423
A perfectly drawn sheep.
Add more authors.
>>8210344
>Celine
>not maximum edgy
>>8210344
>camus more edgy than king
>actually just everything about this chart
fyad
>>8210344
>Ligotti
>respectable
Ya blew it.
Why do you guys system thinkers so much? You know its just a bunch of lies right?
>I don't like x
>Therefore anything and anyone that uses x is an idiot
How's 6th grade? Learn to compose sound arguments.
Sage.
None system thinkers always produce a implied system and act schizophrenically about is rules.
It's a cheap rhetorical game to rail against systems/horizons/metaphysics/phycological reasons/obfuscation etc.
Most of the puffy birds who hang their hats on being down to earth, of the people, or unsystematic are usually the worst offenders.
>>8210223
No one said that. Now please justify your self induced enslavement.
I'm looking for a book that's mind expanding, like the best george carlin sketch you ever heard, or the time when you realized you were ardently opposed to the very existence of religion, or the realization of technology being the next step in evolution for mankind and that our intelligence is not special and will soon be replicated and surpassed. Not those particular subjects themselves, but things like those that make you no longer a mind controlled puppet of some entity, enterprise, organization, person, or really anything. Not only that, but puts it into a perspective that opens new windows inside of your mind that you never thought were there, which render everything else small. Expand beyond the sorts of ideas I mentioned too, I mean I just want to expand my mind in general, and the things that you wouldn't necessarily think would be mind expanding could also be mind expanding.
>>8210173
>g, like the best george carlin sketch you ever heard, or the time when you realized you were ardently opposed to the very existence of religion, or the realization of technology being the next step in evolution for mankind and that our intelligence is not special and will soon be replicated and surpassed. Not those particular subjects themselves, but things like those that make you no longer a mind controlled puppet of some entity, enterprise, organization, person, or really anything.
weeak bait, try harder
>>8210198
I'm sick of you dumb fucking fools on this board, making responses like this. What the fuck do you know about the world, dumb fucking fool? You're a little chuckle fuck, you're just fucking around wasting my time. So go on and fuck off if you're really so dumb that you think I'm not being serious, a presumptuous little christian shit, or if you really are just a dumb fuck troll. Because let's be honest, if a christian were seriously as butthurt as he'd be to make a comment to me, it probably wouldn't be some trolly dumb fuck response like that.
Now this is autism.
Gore Thread
>>8210098
>not Vidal
>not even a worthwhile book
-.-
>Destroying Infinite Jest
>Gore
literally 10,000 of those things in prime condish at my local used book store all of the time. people give up on it and give it away. or they read it, realize it sucks, and then give it away. and then you can go buy it for 3 cents on the dollar. pic isn't gore, it's the literary equivalent of stepping on a dry cat skull that you bought on veterinaryprops.com. do this with a 1st ed Lolita or a Women and Men or something like that and maybe we'll get somewhere
ESL here, I have a linguistic question regarding a discussion I had with another ESL. That person used the expression "have a good dream" to wish me good night and my brain got quite alarmed due to my unawareness about the existence of such an expression. I knew about the regular expressions "sweet dreams", "have a good night", "rest well", "sleep well"... but I have absolutely NEVER heard of such an expression and it sounds quite awkward to my ears, mostly because of the underlying assumption that said person is supposed to make only one dream during said sleeping time. When I told her that said use was completely unknown to me, she went sperging about descrptivist philosophy", "language evolution" and some "language is nothing but a mosaic for us to use" (which is, in itself, quite true, but to me, languages obey orthographical, grammatical and many other rules which are essential to proper communication between beings, which is undoubtedly their most important use)
Could native speakers give me some help about this matter? Is this person right? Am I wrong? Perhaps just too narrow-minded? I tried looking on the internet but the expression she used has shown relatively few uses for a supposedly common expression and most of those came from VERY doubtful Asian websites.
she's right about people getting shit wrong eventually changing language if it happens often enough, but wrong in general because "have a good dream" has not happened often enough for it to sound right to native ears.
>>8209964
Thank you for the quick reply, I guess I'm not as much of an idiot as I think myself to be. Of course, widespread acceptation (and possible dictionary entry) seem to be the turning point where an expression or word goes from "literally wrong" to "accepted and integrated inside a culture".
>>8210000
>acceptation
acceptance is the word. beautiful quads
What is the philosophical difference between loving a lover and being IN LOVE with them...ex - my girlfriend says she is not in love with me but that she does love me - I do not understand the distinction and also I think that I have autism
>>8209941
I think your girl is autism fαm bc that shit makes 0 sense
She doesn't want to hurt your feelings, but she is no longer romantically interested in you.
"in love" = excessive romantic/sexual infatuation, usually childish, girlish, almost puppydog-like love, obsession, enamoration, etc...
loves you = more long-term and mature
