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Let's talk about this bastard. What's your favorite novel? How well did Bela Tarr transpose Satantango and Melancholy of Resistance to film?
War and War is my favorite of his, because Korin is such a wonderful character, and because the story transfers into our own world.
http://www.warandwar.com/
I thought that the ending of Satantango was somewhat contrived, but I guess that was the point. The centerpiece of that novel is compelling and haunting. Also, Bela Tarr did a wonderful job of capturing the momentum and place of the narrative.
I enjoy his writing immensely, but I've always felt like I was waiting for him to write something with a greater purpose. Maybe Seiobo is that book, I've'nt read it.
What do you think about him? What's your favorite novel? Also, who are some of your other favorite writers?
>>8210704
>Seiobo There Below
The only novel of his I've read actually
satantango book was better than movie. werckmeister harmonies was better than book
Why is reading with no purpose even a thing? I forget almost literally everything I read, probably because I read for the sake of reading, so I'm not called a pleb for not reading.
>inb4 muh human condition
LMAO, what a joke. Art should be entertainibg. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to guilt people in to reading their shitty boring self indulgent art or trying to seem like an intellectual by worshiping someone else's boring art.
>>8210667
What you find boring may be entertaining to others.
I read to both better myself and be entertained.
>>8210667
if you actually think ALL art should be entertaining, kill yourself pleb.
Lit majors like to circle jerk about about the superiority of being well read in works of "high literary merit"
But at the end of the day "high" literature is a horrible way of conveying ideas compared to the alternative methods of conveying that information
Film is more accessible and more effective at reaching a large audience
Logic/science creates less fallible themes since it does not leverage emotional attachment to characters to convey a particular idea or set of ideas
The conclusion? Literature is a shitty circle jerk.
I'm thinking about spirals, you?
do you know any actual lit majors? academia is filled with postmoderns who reject the idea that the classics are so called due to an intrinsic literary merit
>The conclusion? This is a shitty bait post.
I just discovered I'm not naturally gifted towards the art (ENTJ).
Acording to such horoscope, my best shot is to become an engineer, also programmer is my best shot.
But I still want to become a writer but I suck at art.
I guess I could make in college an AI to write a novel based on parameters I put and have it write in a certain style.
It's even possible to do that and get it published?
Can I still make my dream come true even if I'm not talented for the arts?
From this post alone I can tell you're not gonna make it.
>>8210659
This. If you really want it, you'll find a way and not ask 4chan to validate your "dream."
>> be a midget hated by your father
>> no lands given to you because you're midget and a disgrace to the family
>> given the opportunity to claim the crumbling north if you can impregnate random bitch
>> pass on the opportunity of a lifetime to be rule half of the kingdom because "muh morals"
Is tyrion the biggest pussy in the history of ASOIAF?
>DAE rape is cool
>le naive moral anti-realism XDDD
>>8210619
>wanting your son to suffer the midget fate
>>8210632
He's got recessive dwarfism, since dwarfism is a dominant trait. Both his parents were normal, so its highly likely his parents wouldn't be midgets
And his grand children for the most part wouldn't be either so long as they didn't inbreed
What are some good Vietnam War Memoirs? Firsthand accounts from people who were there.
graham greene is said to be good
not a memoir per se, but The Things They Carried is a good book about the experience of Vietnam-era soldiers.
>>8210532
I've already read that one. It was pretty good, though. Thanks anyway.
Alright senpai, school me:
I'm looking for entry level books about Japanese philosophy - not necessarily in the way I would look at schools of philosophy in the west, but I'm more talking about what inspired the thing we in the west call "the Japanese way of life", if that makes any sense.
I'm sure that feudalist tradition plays a huge role in it, which is why I think I should check out Musashi's Five Rings? Maybe Bushido?
Or is that putting the cart before the horse, and I should look at zen buddhism? If so, what is a good entry level work, especially how the Japanese have adapted it into their culture?
>>8210280
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_at_War
>>8210280
>Honour famiry
>Obey famiry
>Honour tradition
>Respect auforitee
>Practice rites
>Because junzi (or equivalent Japanese term)
>Obtain government position
Congratulations, I have just summarized East Asian authority for you.
>>8210286
That looks pretty great, thanks!
Tell lit the aphorisms you made up and are proud of but could never say irl because you'd be seen as tryhard and pretentious.
>Play is the highest form of learning.
>All Philosophy begins and ends at Stirner. The wisest man moves the least.
you are proud of that shit?
what a sad life
people come up with the craziest reasons to justify being a lazy shit
To live is to fight despair, to fight death.
Hey /lit/, was planning on ordering some books soon. Penguin has most of the books that I want. I don't own any penguin books, so I do not know how good the quality is. I was wondering, are penguins worth the money or is there a brand with better price/value ratio?
oxford has higher price and better quality, better overall ratio.
>>8210101
The production quality of Penguin paperbacks (paper stock, printing, binding, the presence of contextualising and explanatory notes and introduction) is superior to what you would see in other mass market paperbacks. This is unless the same material can be found in a scholarly Oxford World Classics volume. In which case, sometimes Oxford is better - but they don't print everything.
I am satisfied with Penguin's collected volumes of Lovecraft and Lord Dunsany, for example.
What good writers are ENTJ?
>>8210072
ENTJ a shit. INFJ master race
lawyers and civil servants
What are some film adaptations of books that are on par with the works they're adapted from? They don't have to be one-to-one adaptations. They can be fairly loosely related. They just have to be good.
>>8209814
Tin Drum was a shit of a movie.
I haven't read the book but wow that movie was awful.
>>8209878
Studied film and literature. Seen it. Disagree strongly.
Apocalypse Now
Were his other works reading?
No memes please
if you like IJ, yes. if not, no probably not.
I really like TPK. It's consistently a little worse and more boring than IJ, but there are occasional parts that are better than amything in IJ, like Toni Ware's upbringing, the renegade president theorycraft etc. It's also funnier.
I've forgotten the name of his non IJ novel even though I own it and read half of it. Pomo drudgery.
>Spend the past few months immersing myself in classical literature/music/etc, having ignored pretty much all of it for most of my life
>Realize how utterly robbed we have been by modernity: modern life, education, culture, etc
Anyone else know this feel? My life now feels like one long catch-up. Have things declined, or are all these people who insist that I'm nostalgic, or wearing rose-tinted glasses, wrong? Should I make peace with modernity?
Go full Don Quixote
>>8209016
They don't make windmills like they used to.
You're a meme, OP.
Things have not declined, you just have no insight and don't know where to look. Stunning ignorance and fedoraism - it's embarrassing to watch.
Hello I could use your help
I've been given the opportunity to teach junior college students how to analyze literature/art correctly; that is realizing the true meaning of a text which is not as obvious as its other aspects. It's a program thats going to be pretty much run entirely by me, a student. This is a great opportunity and I really don't want to mess it up so I could use some help. I work as a writing coach at a junior college and find that many students don't have basic skills for proper analyzing of the more difficult things in different texts. I think this is largely because most of them have gone class to class, grade to grade only doing assigned reading and not having any experience outside of the classroom on their own. I know I want to teach them the Socratic method so they can habituate themselves to always asking about the nature of things they find in text but don't have much else to go on. I also plan on teaching them how to analyze paintings and different mediums other than pure text to try and integrate that understanding into literature. What do you guys think? What is essential in teaching someone how to analyze literature? Also, what short stories would you recommend for such a thing?
Thanks
>>8208764
I think your main focus should be to get them involved, interested. If you don't feel too confident yet, have them participate, stimulate their point of view and their input.
Which is always best anyway imo than just saying "so the author here says this and that because of that, write that down cause that is the truth."
>>8208823
I think thats def an important aspect, but if they're already showing up they have to have an interest in participation. The point really is to steer away from that whole "im you're professor and this is what the autor is trying to communicate" and have them understand it by their own accord. But how I can teach this is what Im hoping to get insight into
>>8208764
are you going to teach any aesthetic theories?
Do you like Bret Easton Ellis?
His early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when American Psycho came out in '91, I think he really came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole novel has a clear, crisp brutality, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the prose a big boost. He's been compared to Irvine Welsh, but I think Bret has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humour.
I don't that much. He's a little edgy. His podcast has been entertaining. I always think of him as Elliot Rodger since listening to his podcast, it's really similar in the way he talks and also how self-obsessed and pretentious he gets.
For a author who writes in a similar style about similar things in the same time period, I like John O'Brien better. He wrote Leaving Las Vegas and a few other books.
>>8208743
>He's a little edgy
But don't you know its hip to be square?
tal ent les sha ck!
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