https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1.Best_Books_Ever#4981
Online votes are popularity contests, and popularity contests are won by the lowest common denominator, oh noooooooo what an outraaaaage
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Is it worth it /lit/?
define worth it
>>7614900
I've read it twice, so yes.
>>7614907
Time input to reading all volumes vs enjoyment maybe even existential perspective.
/lit/ Christians BTFO
https //youtu.be/c8BdeQueWYc?t=4136
don't embed, go to 1 hour 8 minutes 56 seconds
I want to start reading Pynchon. Should I start with V., his first published work, or should I start with Slow Learner so I can see his prose and writing abilities progress? I'm not concerned with the quality of the work, I know most say that Slow Learner is subpar compared to the rest of his work, but what is the recommended starting point for ol' Tommy P?
>>7614783
Start with re-reading your post and not sounding like an autismo, OP
Start with Lot49, it's short and good, then V.
Skip Slow Learner, it's shit he wrote before being THE PINECONE and he published because
>muh famous
It was a Stephen King move. Bad for Mr. Pynchon.
>>7614783
There's a chart that someone made but honestly homie it doesn't matter, there's a real interesting progression from Slow Learner through everything else, TCoL49 is usually the intro book because its the shortest way to get anything and everything Pynchon and let's you know if you really want to read more, but honestly I read like GR->TCoL49->IV->M&D->SL->V.->VNLND->BE
Was it possible for K. to just not go to trial?Nobody was really forcing him to go as far as I'm concerned, but maybe I am wrong. What is /lit/'s analysis on this fantastic novel?
I think he was considering fleeing or something. I dont even remember why he didn't.
We are all on trial, OP.
>>7614663
The process of the trial was part of the trial.
You cannot escape the trial.
I live in a small apartment and sadly one my book shelves needs to be positioned in such a way that it is exposed to sunlight from a nearby window. I keep the courtain on so that you can't see the sunbeam fall into the books, but I'm worried about protecting them from sun exposure. Is the courtain enough or should I just rearrange everything and move the shelve?
temperature warp the books not the sun per se
>>7614671
Discoloration is also a problem.
A few books of me warped in summer while being on a room of the house very vulnerable to changes of temperature. They just went back to normal when the weather cooled down.
>>7614684
Yeah, discoloration is what I'm worried about. I worry that the courtains won't be enough since the sun's light is still going through them, even if not as strongly.
How do I enjoy Woolf?
>>7614586
Understand that Wolf was an author who experienced tragedy and suffering early on in life. Her works are best read when one is feeling anxious and somber. She allows you to experience another's dread through her work.
Also, the waves is her magnum opus.
>>7614606
Can you explain why you liked The Waves? I enjoyed To The Lighthouse but found The Waves super disappointing
I'm not 100% sure I 'got' it, but I think I did, and I think what I 'got' was stupid
The characters were really noncharacters too .. and I think that was intentional, I just don't know what to take from that
>>7614618
The waves was Woolf's transcendance from Lighthouse as a modernist writer, leaving the human characters behind, moving into a more spiritual sequent. In the waves, the monologues are not seperate characters, they are "facets of consciousness for continuity". What makes the waves so exceptional is that it challenges the very definition of what a novel can be; many critics unable to distinguish it between an exact story or poem.
What stories or authors from other sources did Lovecraft consider as part of his Cthulhu canon?
ok
He was good friends with Clark Ashton Smith, they both liberally took myths from each other
Need suggestions: books on obssession/paranoia in the spooky way, either fiction or non fiction
Crime and Punishment is your book.
>>7614409
Sweet. Thanks m8, found a the penguin edition for $5, is it good (in english, although I am brazilian)?
>>7614419
I think that's the McDuff translation. If that's the one, it's excellent and the same I read. Highly praised.
Avsey's translation is another option.
I would like to read into ways of understanding, reading and identifying the things people are going throught.
My wild guess is that I should dive deep into psychology or something like that.
In other words, I want to work on people and this means I should adopt something completely different than what I already am.
So... what to do?
>>7614357
Fat people should go die
What do you guys think of this?
>Ask novelists today whether they spend more time watching TV or reading fiction and prepare yourself, at least occasionally, to hear them say the unsayable.
>That this represents a crisis for the novel seems to me undeniable. But a crisis can be an opportunity. It incites change. And the novel needs to keep changing if it is to remain novel. It must, pilfering a phrase from TV, boldly go where no one has gone before.
>In the words of the Canadian writer Sheila Heti: “Now that there are these impeccable serial dramas, writers of fiction should feel let off the hook more — not feel obliged to worry so much about plot or character, since audiences can get their fill of plot and character and story there, so novelists can take off in other directions, like what happened with painting when photography came into being more than a hundred years ago. After that there was an incredible flourishing of the art, in so many fascinating directions. The novel should only do what the serial drama could never do.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/books/review/are-the-new-golden-age-tv-shows-the-new-novels.html?_r=0
>>7614116
A) The NY Times is absolute garbage and you shouldn't read it.
B) Painting completely degenerated into shit after the photograph
>>7614116
I've seen a few young writers claim television influence. IMO it won't matter much
in the future because the "golden age" is over. You had new platforms forced to take risks, giving full control over to creatives (first cable, then pay channels, then streaming). The function of these programs is no longer about selling strictly "quality" since the platforms have become ubiquitous as well as mature fully formed business models. They need to reach their now wide audience and with that comes conventions, imitations, watering down, and heavy creative oversight aka Network Television. There will never be another Sopranos, Deadwood, Mad Men, The Wire, etc.
>>7614116
>The novel should only do what the serial drama could never do.”
and it has for ages
Thoughts? Influential? Important?
>influential and important?
yes, probably
but the more important question should be
>insightful?
and the answer is yes.
read it.
I read the first chapter for a class and it was pretty riveting.
>>7613569
Where do you go to school?
>first half of the 18th century novel character drops a tear
>2016
>click "/lit/ - Literature"
>/mu/ opens
>>7612889
so?
>pynchon book
>weed
>unknowable supernatural systems
>'limp cock'
>drunken sailors
>digressions into science that use formulas for poetic association
no complaints
I enjoy "A Season in Hell" quite a bit. Any recommendations on where to go next? Other than Rimbaud's other work?
Also, general poetry recommendations thread.
>>7612785
Depends. Did you read it in French? In English translation?
In French: read Jules LaForgue, Baudelaire, and if your french is strong enough, Mallarme. You might move on to Apollinaire after that. After reading LaForgue in French you'd do best to read TS Eliot's early lyrical poetry. It's the bridge between the french symbolists and the english modernists.
>>7612801
I read a translation; my french isn't too good. Thanks for the detailed answer.
>>7612785
Read Illuminations, imo better than Season. Then you can go to a lot of poets (Jacob, Reverdy, Char, Michaux, surrealists etc.)
Laforgue imo isn't the best advice here (even though I totally love his poetry).
Is it worth reading?
It's a literal meme book. Not like people here claim that Infinite Jest or Ulysses are "meme books", because those are actually great works of art. This is literally just a book filled with memes.
>>7612717
Download link?
Of course not. How illiterate are you to even ask?
