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So I' m really intrigued to find out if anyone out there has entered the void or "another dimension" while undertaking recreational drug use or meditation... I have this theory that Psychedelics are able to alter our perception and cause us to see things that aren't or possibly are there. I have also asked a few people who practice meditation and rituals about this and every persons reaction is different.
I also believe that we are able to look into/control our being in these realms through our production of D.M.T (be it natural or not) and also through our R.E.M cycles although for many people they consider it to be Lucid Dreaming or Astral Projection.
Any thoughts on these theories?
>>8160778
D R U G G I E S
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>>8160778
DUDE
>cause us to see things that aren't or possibly are there.
Illusion (not to say that illusion isn't visible).
Why read literature worth reading if i will surely misinterpret it because i am uneducated moron? What is the even point in trying?
>implying there's a right interpretation
Barthes and Derrida would like to talk to you.
What is the function of constant chronicles, names in Bible?
You mean the genealogies? or do you mean the list of kings in Chronicles?
>>8160553
both . Actually i dont see how are both Chronicles books important, its like "previously in bible"
>>8160556
I haven't read the Bible but I know that Jesus' lineage is important because the Messiah is supposed to be descended from David. They establish that Jesus is David's descendant through Mary.
Esteemed /lit/erati,
This is a question about storylines and what makes a good one, inspired by realising what the core thread of the SoIaF "trilogy" really is.
I have a question about some popular fantasy series by some guy with too many 'R's in his name, but, actually, it is a question about stories and storylines full-stop. I don't particularly want this thread to descend into "Martin sux" shitposting. I want reasoned thoughts about stories. While I've never read Martin's books, I'm now at a point in the tv series that the core thread of the story is coming to light.
See, I read somewhere that Mr RRRR conceived of a trilogy and while he was busy writing the first book – copying the whole thing from an English history text he borrowed from the library – he apparently realised, "Hey, this is good, I should do more of this," and ended-up turning his "first book" into three or four.
Yet, it does serve to distract from the core thread of this being a tale about the dragons, controlled by Brandon, saving the world from the magical White Walkers – a classic "dark lord" story if ever you've heard one. And, along the lines of the recent "Cliches" thread, doing something new and different is the way to rehash old storylines. Furthermore, it has kept the magical elements of fantasy to a minimum, thus attracting a large (tv) audience in who would normally be pretty wary of too much fantastic magic. Reasons I reckon LotR works, too. Concentration on the political war for three-or-four books, on making "The Tudors", Westerosi-style, dribbling out the core story thread in snippets and introducing ten thousand different characters all serves to distract and keep us from seeing the real story.
LotR was a pretty linear storyline and there's really not much, structurally, to it – Frodo inherits ring; Frodo journeys with some buddies to get rid of ring; Frodo is let down by buddies; Frodo worms his way through Mordor; Frodo is helped/hindered by Gollum; Frodo disposes of ring/Gollum; the end. It is a very simple storyline, and might have ended-up entirely boring were it not for all the … and here's that key word again… distractions from the core story.
So, we have Aragorn, an elf and a dwarf doing things in Rohan and then at a final battle that's really NOT the final battle but it serves as an exciting distraction, and we have a couple of comedy hobbits doing funny things (in the movies anyway) and destroying Orthanc. Again, while I appreciate it is all important threads in the story, especially Aragorn's slow acceptance of his future role in all this, the core thread of the story is Frodo and that damn ring. LotR's distractions are not as bad as quad-R's political/10,000-characters gumph, more like the whole Black Castle/Jon Snow storyline – definitely relevant for us to know all about the impending doom, but not being the core story.
>>8160483
(continued)
Another oft-used example (in sci-fi moreso) that comes to mind, is the old mixed-up timelines storyline where you're following the core thread rigidly, and nothing but that main character, but the timeline is all messed-up so you have to concentrate to keep-up – Memento by Chris Nolan comes to mind. It's again, the same linear story, but we're distracted from seeing it as that because time is messy.
Make sense? The theory is:
There is a core, linear thread of a story but to distract us from seeing it (as well as to make the whole story broader) we have other gumph or non-linear ways of telling it
Alright, so am I on the ball – that it is all about distraction and filler – and can we think of other TYPES of this sort of thing?
And, also, what works and what does not about this? What's the balance between "nice gumph" and "arrrrrrrrgh, get to the fucking point!"
tl:dr lol
yeah TLDR wtf man
heyy people have you ever read books about magical realism like The House of the Spirits written by Isabel Allende.
>another meme genre
count me in! woopee!
Sorry bud, /lit/ was all over magic realism six months ago.
Is there a book like this picture
>>8160403
Made me think of Foxe's Book of Martyrs
>>8160403
my diary tee bee aitch
>>8160403
my diary tree, biatch
Post your shit, pic related its some freewriting I never finished.
What would /lit/ rather see:
>a young man forced into the service of a noble woman he loved from afar after seeing her murder a man, and slowly realizing she was a monster from seeing her work and later going father to know he still loves her despite that
>mercenary company behind the lines of a siege just at it is broken, members witnessing the death of the ruler of the city's brother. A wrong place at the right time story as his death allots them something extra, but shunts them into a game they didn't know existed until then.
The second one honestly is the retelling of a TTRPG I GM'd. It was in a homebrewed system and setting that has its aesthetics for flora and fauna modeled after the Cambrian explosion.
I need to get back to writing again (wrote three novels years ago, haven't written in two years however) and need a place to start.
Honestly neither of these ideas sound stellar, but I need to start somewhere until my creativity returns.
I'm writing a religious scripture of some sort and I'm still in the creation phase
Here's the first little sample
I'm interested in the idea of ambient literature, broadly considered. Any suggestions or thoughts?
bonus points for non-poetry :)
>>8160316
you should probably define what you mean by "ambient" in the literary sense
>>8160316
i know tao lin is mostly a meme but i think shoplifting from american apparel could be considered ambient, to me it feels like it flows without much focus and the things that happen are never really elaborated on for too long, but not in a bad or unpleasant way
>>8160325
vague, indirect, pleasantly disoriented
Looking for an in depth fantasy world.
Something in comparison to the dragon lance realm.
No got suggestions please.
Go fuck yourself
>>8160238
Sorry sir
Sorry
Fuck....
I'm really fuckin fucked
sorry
sorry
>>8160227
my diary tbph
what are some story themes you enjoy or wanna see more of? I personally enjoy characters trying to find purpose in life, but that's been done a million times before
>>8160116
Inability of communication between people - "Tower of Babel".
Virtue of ignorance and malignity of knowledge, or another way round - "The Fool".
Man creating something bigger than man, emergence
>>8160116
characters who, after a period of turmoil or despondence or failed plans, find comfort and solace in some small thing
There's a neat story by J.G. Ballard about the remains of a giant that washes ashore. People come and start vandalising the corpse, stealing bodyparts, destroying it, etc. and eventually it disappears and they doubt it existed in the first place. I like that idea; of people destroying something profound by their own tokenisms and having to live in the aftermath of their decadence.
Hey /lit/ I have a problem.
A lot of my sentences end up like this.
"He ____. He then ____. He ____. After that, he ____."
How do I shake it up more?
thanks
>>8160018
He___ . Then__- ___ After __
It's not that hard unless you are changing POV or the character in question it seems rather pointless
>>8160018
just be conscious of it when you do it and try restructure it
Just write more interesting sentences. Begin more sentences with dependent clauses.
>He walked to the store. He bought eggs.
Could be
>He walked to the store. With three dollars in his wallet, he only bought eggs.
Those aren't great, but I'm just trying to give you an idea of what I mean. Your sentences will sound a lot better if 1) they vary in length and 2) they don't sound repetitive like you mentioned in your post.
ITT: Novels you like by writers you don't like
I couldn't get through Catcher in the Rye when I tried reading it. I couldn't even get through the first few pages of pic related the first few times I tried picking it up. But one day, something clicked, and I ended up seeing it through to the end. I enjoyed it so much, that I picked up Nine Stories...
And after reading through half of it, I had to put it down because I didn't like it.
Why do you like FandZ?
>>8159986
Stephen King - Dark Tower 1
Cormac McCarthy - The Road
Haruki Murakami - Norwegian Wood
If you liked Franny and Zooey, Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenters! ad Seymour: An Introduction would probably be up your alley.
Hypothetically speaking, how would you describe the perfect booktuber channel? Does that channel already exist?
What kind of books would you like to see reviewed\discussed?
How do they review? In-depth, like a Yale professor, or like a personal recommendation, leaving the rest to your experience as a reader?
What other videos do they do? Topical discussions? Gratuitous book hauls?
I'm asking for a friend.
It's a lot like redtube. Product so vanilla I stop about two minutes in.
>>8159933
I'd like to watch a cute girl discovering a world of real literature, gradually abandoning YA and trashy romance novels. The truest experience of 21st century is experiencing the experience of another.
Set out to take advantage over the format. The booktuber should ask themself what they can add that would convey it must be in a video format rather than in text. Videos have visual and audio attached, think of good films and what's different from film and literature. Often I see videos that could've been easily summed in a paragraph and they waste my time which makes me angry. The medium is the message, so take full advantage of the medium for the sake of the message.
What are some books about being fully aware that you are unlikeable and a bad person?
>NO UNDERGROUND NOTES EDITION
>>8159902
declare a thumb war with yourself and stop shitposting
>>8159902
Notes(deal with it)
No Longer Human
Catcher(deal with that too)
The Fall(not really the unlikeable part)
Nausea(not really the bad part)
>>8159902
Anything Hunter S. Thompson, really
>There was only one catch and that was Catch-22
Fucking seriously Heller?
>Dort war nur ein Kampf und das war mein Kampf
Fucking seriously Hitler?
>>815980
>Fair Hippolyta, it truly seems that this may be a dream none other than a Midsummer Night's Dream.
Fucking seriously Marlowe?
>>8159842
>Marlowe
>Not de Vere
Get a load of this plen
