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What books make you proud to be an American, anon? What is the great American classic? American author general too I guess.
I'm looking forward to England becoming the greatest nation on Earth.
I hope what success America has had is somewhat an inspiration for them.
>>8240856
Faulkner is the GOAT no questions asked
Joyce Carol Oates
What's the best book you've ever read?
Pic unrelated
>>8240464
Seizure Of Power by Czeslaw Milosz
The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath.
Probably Gravity's Rainbow or Middlemarch. Maybe Mason & Dixon or The Age of Innocence. To the Lighthouse would be close with those too.
You don't get to opt out of postmodernity. We're living it. McDonald's is part of it. Sprawl is part of it. The way we use the Internet is part of it. The only way to "kill" it is to destroy capitalism itself, and I'm not sure any of you would be all that jazzed about those prospects. So stop whining.
>>8239700
>destroy capitalism
>would not be jazzed up about it
You're not making any sense, comrade.
>>8239705
speaking to the class traitors among us, tovarisch
>>8239700
Even as a non-communist I agree. No one can afford the vast mass of products that capitalism offers us anyway. I haven't bought anything in the past 2 years that isn't food, besides a few T-Shirts and some books.
Limited consumption is possible and it kills the globalists.
ITT: Boring novels you forced yourself to read to "fit in"
I just wanted to say I've read it. The chapters that actually advanced the plot were very interesting, though. I think it could be a much better book if the informative chapters about whaling were cut out.
The prose was also way too thick for my taste.
>>8239466
>I think it could be a much better book if the informative chapters about whaling were cut out.
those are called abridged versions anon, there are a lot of them
You didn't read it
What Canadian works of literature have you been reading recently?
do people actually look into the nationality of the authors of their books? jesus
>>8238805
generally yes
its not that important but whats the harm of having a themed thread
>>8238801
I've always wondered, why does the fagbow have six colors instead of seven? Any story behind this?
Seriously, why is Macbeth such a dick?
Ambition. Lady Macbeth doesn't help.
>reading for plot
>>8238789
I imagine the combination of mental illness and being a blue blood does quite a number on someone. I mean just look at Elliot Rodger, he shot up a sorority house and he wasn't even noble, just was just rich and crazy.
Writings.
>>Hurts others for their own gain
>>Unfairly viewed
Okay
>>8233069
Implying anyone really makes a choice. If a person is governed by their biology, and they don't feel that hurting people is wrong, doesn't that mean that they lack the ability to feel that hurting people is wrong? How can you say that a person has a choice in anything, how can you say that having a choice determines whether or not someone deserves to be punished or chastised? It doesn't, and this is one of the reasons why our society as a whole can barely cope with our own existence, is because of this pervasive self righteousness.
>>8233078
There is a difference between perceived self righteousness (Held equally by the SJWs and the religious right) and what is actually right.
What is right and moral, is just the "the golden rule".
Do you want to be raped? No.
Do you want your belongings taken? No.
Do you want to be murdered? No.
Do you want you child to be molested or for you to have been molested as a child? Fuck no
Doing these shows a weakness of character and of self restraint, and they deserve to be treated as the worst of our kind, because they are.
What are the best books about gay or bi people? Preferably contemporary, but stuff about Uranians or even the Greeks is welcome.
Suicide by You
>>8232708
The Picture Of Dorian Gray.
>>8232708
lmao my God America sucks balls.
unironically why did he take 17 years off
What did Coca-Cola™ mean by this?
Work. Raise kids. Write. Watch cartoons. Travel.
#wow
#woah
he was a fuckin qt i tell ya what
Sup /lit/, I'm a newfag at this board, someone recommend /lit/ approved books i should start reading?
>>8241724
o shit sorry
i never read stickies
>>8241726
the wiki's better than most anons for recommendation charts.
don't bother reading /lit/ itself if you want books, it's just niggers who couldn't be fucked to read the sticky either.
Rate my writing
0/10. Your writing is too small. I can't discern it.
>>8241563
Beautifully written and crafted, like a game of chess.
Nonetheless, none of it will ever happen.
All the self-congratulation and "insider speak" of Tom Clancy, and with about as many hard facts involved.
Why is most science fiction written by doddering old men that hate progress?
bc paraliterature gives anyone w a fetish for modernity (old (white) men)) an opportunity for alternate worlds where something impossible can apologize for them confessionally through violence
>>8241475
>Race wasn't even mentioned in OP
>Immediately go to raceb8ing
nice
>>8241475
>immediately blames old white men
>mfw
So I started reading infinite jest, and I love it so far. This is a general thread about discussing said bookand also shitposting.
I'm only on page 80 however, so make sure to spoiler ANY plot points as I consider most things spoilers.there is also a thread on s4s for ultra-shitposting
Happy interdependence day!
I'm on page 442, and I had been enjoying it. That film description is pretty fun.
What did Harper Collins mean by this?
pol pls go
Yeah, I saw Air Force One on TV today too, OP.
I've been wanting to read Madame Bovary for a long time but I can't figure out which translation to read. What's the best English version of the novel?
I know the Lydia Davis is very popular, but it got torn apart in this review:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n22/julian-barnes/writers-writer-and-writers-writers-writer
>After Emma’s seduction by Rodolphe, there is a paragraph describing her post-coital, semi-pantheistic experience of the forest surrounding her, with which she is for the moment in harmony. But with the last sentence, Flaubert cuts this mood brutally: ‘Rodolphe, le cigare aux dents, raccommodait avec son canif une des deux brides cassée.’ This great anti-romantic moment has Rodolphe turning both to another physical pleasure (as Gurov will with his watermelon in Chekhov’s ‘The Lady with the Little Dog’), and to masculine, practical matters. All the versions cited here begin, unsurprisingly, with ‘Rodolphe, a cigar between his teeth . . .’
>Wall goes on:
>was mending one of the two broken reins with his little knife.
>Steegmuller:
>was mending a broken bridle with his penknife.
>Hopkins:
>was busy with his knife, mending a break in one of the bridles.
>Davis:
>was mending with his penknife one of the bridles, which had broken.
>Rein or bridle? Knife, little knife or penknife? The difference is slight; all the versions contain the same information. Flaubert’s sentence does its business by not drawing attention to itself; its very downbeatness is the point, after the more rhapsodic prose that has preceded it. Wall, Steegmuller and Hopkins all get this. Davis doesn’t. Instead, she ‘faithfully’ sticks to Flaubert’s sentence structure. But English grammar is not French grammar, and so the quiet cassée (which for all its quietness also hints at Rodolphe’s ‘breaking’ of Emma) has to be unpacked into a ‘which had broken’ – a phrase which now seems pretty redundant, as what would he mend that wasn’t broken? The sentence has a clunkiness which is imported, rather than faithfully transmitted, and quite unFlaubertian.
Bump. So I'm thinking of reading the Adam Thorpe translation.
Here's an example.
>Donc, elle reporta sur lui seul la haine nombreuse qui résultait de ses ennuis, et chaque effort pour l'amoindrir ne servait qu'àl'augmenter; car cette peine inutile s'ajoutait aux autres motifs de désespoir et contribuait encore plus à l'écartement. Sa propre douceur à elle-même lui donnait des rébellions.
This is an accounting metaphor.
Here's Marx, missing it:
>On him alone, then, she concentrated all the various hatreds that resulted from her boredom, and every effort to diminish only augmented it; for this useless trouble was added to the other reasons for despair, and contributed still more to the separation between them. Her own gentleness to herself made her rebel against him.
Here's Thorpe:
>So she carried over to him alone the sum of hatred which resulted from her vexation, and each effort to lessen it merely served to increase it; for this needless pain would be added to other counts of despair and contribute even further to the separation.
David misses it:
>And so she directed at him alone the manifold hatred born of her troubles, and every attempt she made to lessen that hatred only increased it; for her useless effort gave her yet another reason for despair and contributed even more to her estrangement from him.
>>8241306
It doesn't matter because the book is irredeemable shit
>>8241446
Que voulait-il dire par là?
