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What does /lit/ think of Singer
>>8032721
He's kind of a tool and his model of morality is one where it is impossible to be a good person. Of course it's utilitarian and egalitarian minded so it's wrongheaded from the outset, but the conclusion is fundamentally one that no human being could abide by.
I mean this man's moral calculus is as follows: Your son is drowning in a lake. You're on your way to donate $100 to a family with 3 African babies. The African babies will die if you delay your donation at all Therefore you should let your son drown because 3 lives are more valuable than 1. If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that any given human life is more or less equally valuable (controlling for disability of course, which is why cripples hate Singer since he's in favor of euthanizing people who fall below his idea of a utility curve), you've kind of missed the point of the entire human experience.
He quite literally says this shit. And on top of that he spends thousands of dollars visiting his invalid mother in Australia. When pressed on that he admits that he is a terrible person. So even the originator of a mode of morality cannot bring himself to operate under it.
>>8032793
I think his system that he created is quite interesting though.
Though every moral system i have come across until now was flawed in some way, i think he has come closer to one that could be, if presented differently, quite good.
But being a hypocrite isn't the way to go, i must admit that.
>>8032721
Great philosopher, great public intellectual.
Of course, he does have pretty extreme views, but it's not as if he doesn't argue for them and hasn't thought about obvious objections like
>>8032793 's
The main line, I think, is that he thinks we can give a debunking explanation of partial but not impartial moral intuitions, undermining the strongest evidence in favor of rejecting utilitarianism.
But anyways, I think he's more important for his work that doesn't assume and doesn't argue for utilitarianism. Try "Famine, Affluence, and Morality" or Practical Ethics. Or if your not up for that, maybe one of his popular books, like Animal Liberation or the Life You Can Save.
What is the single greatest book on the actor James Dean out there? I want to read more about the man.
>>8032479
Go to the gay literature section in your local book store and your bound to find something.
>>8032479
>being james dean
>>8032759
How does one become James Dean especially seeing as how he's dead?
How is the Epic of Gilgamesh? Is it worth the read?
>>8032462
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.
>>8032462
Ant particular edition/translation I should get? What is it translated from anyway?
>>8032482
I have the Steven Mitchell translation. It's translated from Akkadian, which is a Mesopotamian language.
Yes you should read it. Besides being the earliest complete written story we have, it also shows how the early semetic peoples (i.e. Hebrews) shared myths.
Is death good or bad?
>There is a dispute between Thomas Nagel, who says that death is always an evil, since continued life always makes good things accessible, and Bernard Williams, who argues that, while premature death is a misfortune, it is a good thing that we are not immortal, since we cannot continue to be who we are now and remain meaningfully attached to life forever.
Looking for good nonfiction and fiction, mainly nonfiction, books on all things death.
How can I know happiness without sadness?
>Is death good or bad?
Neither, its a certainty.
>>8032236
Certainties can be good or bad.
Is this patrician?
>>8031985
>Has anyone on /lit/ read this?
no
I don't thinks so.It doesn't look very appealig to me.Anybody with a more in depth opinion?
>>8031985
some info pls?
This book blows the tits off Great Gatsby. For a while there I actually thought I didn't like Fitzgerald.
Anymore based Fitz I should read?
>>8031944
All his short stories
fitzgerald always had goatly book covers
>>8031944
"Tender is the Night, magnificient; The Great Gatsby, terrible." - Vlad Nabokov
Though most people do seem to think it's Gatsby or bust, an average writer with a great book. I'll have to check out Tender is the Night.
Why do teenagers at Wattpad always make their main characters "ordinary", as they declare they are? Why even bother reading about the dull and unassuming?They even get published in this shithole country.
>>8031938
her avatar looks wearing a night gown
also what language is it? spanglish?
>>8031946
It's Filipino with a dash of English.
Stories like these are unfortunately everywhere, and publishers actually publish them. And readers actually buy them. And filmmakers adapt them...
> Being paranoid is a good thing. The experience of being paranoid when you smoke weed is to get you to look at yourself. It’s to get you to look at life. You’re not always looking at it as clearly as you could. Those jolts of perception you misinterpret as paranoia, what you’re really doing is just dealing with information that’s already there. – Joe Rogan
I have been thinking about this for a while. Could you recommend literature that is relevant?
>>8031900
Pinecone.
>>8031900
Pinch on's "The crying of Lot 69"
>>8031900
>weed ayy lmao
Fuck off.
Is this a good option to read 'Ulysses' or I just waste money?
Get Oxford's 1922 text; it comes with a lot of extra information like a map of Dublin, explanatory notes, errata, etc.
>>8031906
Oh god, I was reading about which edition is better when I impulsively bought this edition. Bad move.
reposting myself from earlier thread on this exact topic...
the differences are largely academic and completely irrelevant to anyone who is not a serious joyce scholar at a post graduate level
bitching about gabler edition is apparently the "in" thing to do among pretentious pseuds who've never read joyce in their lives, ignore them
...
it's no secret that the original 1922 edition contained a plethora of errors, which joyce then worked with random house to emend for the 1934 us edition, that was later reprinted in 1961 by the modern library and forms the "standard" text
the highly unusual styling of ulysses meant there was copious room for error, esp from the copywriters/typesetters, and it showed aubndantly in 1922. though thousands of errors were corrected by joyce himself in 1934, there were still many more he worked on, and often incldued as errata for later editions before being incorporated into the text. it's not unreasonable at all to think there were still more to come.
general academic consensus today states gabler likely overstepped a bit in his corrections, but it is not at all unreasonable for him to have done what he did. the controversy around the edition is, anyway, largely academic and completely irrelevant to the lay reader, and certainly not to pseuds on /lit/
your copious use of sarcastic quotations and disdain for "academics" reveals your own ignorance on this subject. kindly never post about this topic again.
Do you have to be religious to be an incredible writer?
>>8031641
Are you new? Yes, of course it is.
>>8031661
Of course what is?
>>8031672
IT IS A PIZZA PARTY
Hi /lit/, I have some new OC involving John "The Meme" Green.
I'm the Indianapolis-fag that has posted periodically about encounters with him around town (not stalking, it just seems we frequent the same area).
>be last weekend
>go to a bookstore that I don't normally visit because it's a bit of a drive
>among the few local authors, there is a glass case halfway filled with assorted signed John Green books
>A note on the past: he has purposely released some of his books to bookstores, thousands of signed copies, with the purpose of devaluing signed editions
>back to the bookstore
>$150 price tag
>$150
>Books have dust on them from not moving in so long
If people care, I can Greentext the closer encounters of the YA kind I've had.
>>8031416
>be me at coffeeshop
>we've bumped into each other a handful of times there, but we never talk
>he normally grabs something to go
>one day I'm on my way in as he is leaving
>I hold the door for him because good midwestern boy
>he turns his head to say thank you
>he must have just had a bite of muffin, because he sprays crumbs on my shoulder and lower face
>he says nothing else, but just ducks his head and scurries away down the sidewalk
>mfw
>>8031441
you got crumbed on senpai
>>8031441
>be at big museum exhibition opening party
>little did I know, the John Meme's wife is the curator of the museum
>he's hanging out in a corner sipping his drink, not talking to anyone
>the old wealthy donor types have no clue who he is, so they ignore the guy in the ill fitting blazer and untucked shirt
>his wife stops by the check on him from time to time
>I can't tell what they're saying as a steal glance at them, but it is becoming clear that something is amiss
>eventually he leaves, well before the end of the evening
>notice being a bit more touchy with wealthy donors than she was before
>kek internally
Redpill me on this samurai
>>8031210
He's not a samurai.
Literally who?
>>8031210
I like him.
he's probably not going to be well liked around here.
he uses a lot of odd similes.
and a lot of recurring themes. like a metric FUCK TON of recurring themes throughout his books.
>"Troy" after Schliemann was no longer a dream, but a place on the map.
>As a boy, not long after Schliemann's death, [Joyce] had responded to Lamb's retelling of the story. By 1906 he wanted to write a story of his own, set in Dublin and called "Ulysses." Eight years later he was seriously at work on what he had rethought as a larger project, a book whose hero should move around a single city as Homer's had moved around the Mediterranean.
we're putting together a Ulysses reading group over on /lit/ chat at https://discord.gg/01016TZPAPUILvYGe
we have the #Ulysses channel, and also a #general channel for general literary/off-topic discussions. "/soc/ing" is not a "thing" in this chat if you are worried about that, and we're all fairly decent ppl, so give it a shot at least.
(if you don't have a copy of Ulysses, wow, what a pleb. you can get the epub/kindle version from one of us.)
>ulysses reading group
lol it's gonna fail in a week senpai, no one here reads
Here is the bare minimum need to read before embarking on this odyssey:
A book or two about the discovery of the Aegean civilisations
Detailed history of Ancient Greece
Iliad
Odyssey
Aeneid
Divine Comedy
Linear B Archives
Homeric Hymns
Orphic Hymns
Scholiasts on Homer
Apollodorus
Diodorus
Plato
Aristotle
Presocratics (esp. Heraclitus)
Celtic myths and history
Dubliners
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
>>8031761
>books required for understanding Ulysses
>history of Ancient Greece?
>Ulysses takes place in Dublin? hello?
>no mention of Meme Trilogy books I and II whatsoever
wew OK how about we read this first though and see what happens
https://discord.gg/01016TZPAPULpxT67
Just picked up this bad boy.
What am I in for? Is it deserving of its acclaim, or will I be disappointed?
Balzac's great. Have fun.
>>8030958
This is a really stupid question, but will reading this book make me 'cultured'?
xDDDDDDddd balzak
is catch 22 a meme? where does /lit/ stand on this?
Yes.
It's pretty popular on reddit so I'd say yes.
Not a meme. It's actually good.
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