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>and Holden really wanted to be The Catcher in the Rye
Seriously, Salinger?
>>8151081
aah? Its perfect actually.
Actually being serious Salinger?
>and after a while everyone noticed he was the man who wrote notes from underground
Come on, Dostoyevsky. You can do better than that.
I'm trying to write something about the movie interstellar being watched by Kant, specifically the part where they get to the planet near the black hole gargantua, in that planet 1 hour spent there is equal to 7 years in planet earth, 3 guys go down there and 1 stays in the ship, what if the guy in the ship has a live feed of the 3 guys down there, how would he watch it using the knowledge of kant
Can he use the knowledge like knowing that the stars light that we get in earth are just lights from the past
I know it sounds retarded but I have no where else to go
Why are you trying to write this?
>>8151110
Not OP but I thought this sort of thing would be quite interesting a few years ago. Like Kant's philosophy relies a lot on that kind of Newtonian/Cartesian "empty space is like a stage" type of metaphysics as its starting point, so how does it react to a situation where that is no longer true? Or how must it change regarding new theories of how the universe works? That sort of thing.
A better idea would be sitting down and having a long think about how you've gotten to the point where this is what you've decided is worth expending effort on and make an attempt to do something else
how do I motivate myself to read
Motivation is a clutch. Learn to control your will.
Meditate.
And maybe read some Nietzsche, lol
>>8151035
I can't do it, though
I just can't do anything without going back to 4chan. This place never gets boring.
>>8151041
>This place never gets boring.
How old are you? It will get boring real fast when you aren't a teenager anymore. Being honest here.
How are you going to write anything meaningful about the human condition if you never leave your room?
>>8151023
But I do leave my room?
Isolation is the human condition in most of the developed world. The public space is full of judgement, misrepresentation and misunderstandings, coloured by a need for continual competition in the name of competition alone. Withdrawing from that circus is not so much a choice anymore but the logical conclusion.
>>8151047
>The public space is full of judgement, misrepresentation and misunderstandings
This is only disappointing if you believe something like a complete undrestanding, clear representation is achievable in the first place. Truth is, especially when it comes to human interaction, nothing of that sort is possible, eveything is always a "work in progress", there is no resolution no mutual, perfect and clear comprehension. Probably, not even self-analysis in a complete self analysis can lead you to a clear, perfect, mirror-like representation of yourself.
The accumulation of information is not it's application.
>>8150992
*its
>>8150993
Thank you.
>>8150992
>The accumulation of information is not it's application.
how do i apply this information?
Well, /lit/? What are your thoughts?
>>8150880
2008puto here. I've never seen any Dross video. What's up woth him?
>>8150880
The mexican shakespear
>>8150880
Get out, you fucking beaner
Guys, any known sites that group together similar idioms? I mean with single words too, for example "suddenly" with "with a blink of an eye"
That poop must be cold
>>8151129
thanks pepe I guess
You should make one.
How perfect is the English in pic related? Also, spot grammatical error if any.
>>8150758
>revert
i am guessing this was written by an Indian
>>8150762
You guess bad, pal.
>>8150764
i'm not your pal and you need to learn what an adverb is
if it wasn't written by an indian, it was written by someone who writes like an indian. indians commonly say "revert" when they mean "reply" or "respond".
Also the third sentence in the picture is completely hopeless
>read a few chapters of non fiction book
>take a break and pick up another one
rinse and repeat
4 non fiction books and 1 fiction book ive not completed. I have to will myself not to pick up another fiction book I just received in the mail unless i finish another one first. I haven't finished a book now since january
Judging by your post and your grammar I would say you are 16. Considering that 4chan requires people to be of 18 years and older perhaps reddit would be more to your tastes. Thanks in advance!
>>8150763
what the fuck? Shut the fuck up faggot you dont know me im 18 you fucktarded faggot nigger
>>8150765
Not that anon, but I assume you're 14. Your edge lord levels are rising. Congratulations.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/27/to-cut-or-not-to-cut-rsc-and-globe-at-odds-over-shakespeare/
>The Globe is putting on an all-singing, all-dancing production in London, raising eyebrows among traditionalists who likened it to a “sixth form disco” for its added neon lights, amplifiers and references to pop culture.
Every time you read some postmodern thing about "destabilizing" "ossified" cultural forms, like Badiou putting fart jokes in The Republic or whatever, the worst part of it is the sinking feeling that it's going to ripple outward into the culture fifty years after it's even novel anymore, and on the least subtle level possible, so that you're still going to be subjected to lazy FARTS'N'SHAKESPEARE: DISCO 6000 (NOW WITH ANIME REFERENCES, AND GAY BLACK LESBIANS, ISN'T THAT SO SUBVERSIVE) productions in the year 2035
When is this shit going to be sufficiently cliche that even laypeople understand it's cliche? When did we hit that point with the hippies that any time some patchouli faggot was like "It's organic, maaaan," people would mock him for being a walking hippie cliche? Can that happen with the gay black lesbian Piss Christ brigade already?
It's probably shit, but freaking out about it just gives it legitimacy.
Can you cry more OP you pathetic faggot.
Something you don't have to acknowledge exists and that just makes you want to cry yourself to sleep. Do you cry about everything else that's shitty in the world, do you complain about every summer movie? Do you cause an uproar when you hear pop music in some store? Do you write letters to the government whenever you see an advertisement for food you think is gross?
You and all the John Greene crybabies take your stupid hurt asses out of lit, find some soccer moms and go with them to their kitchen tables to bitch about the world until their husbands come home, you repulsive whining faggot.
I can't believe that you don't realize that in bitching and moaning about progressives you just become another version of them you literal child.
Are they right?
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/the-bloody-banality-of-american-psycho/
>When it was released to thundering controversy and massive hype in 1991, Bret Easton Ellis’ satirical novel American Psycho was a scandal, a pop-culture phenomenon, and a flashpoint for heated arguments about censorship, free expression, misogyny, violence, corporate responsibility, and pornography more than it was a book people might actually read and, even more improbably, enjoy.
>That’s because American Psycho is an exceedingly difficult book to read. The novel’s endless parade of explicit, stomach-churning, pornographic, boundary-pushing violence against animals, homeless people, and young women makes it a struggle to finish, especially for delicate souls like myself. But it’s also hard to read because so much of it is boring, tedious, monotonous, and repetitive to the point of perversity.
>What makes Bret Easton Ellis’ lurid controversy magnet such a strange, tricky proposition is that its dreariness feels largely intentional. It’s supposed to be shallow, vacuous, and deadeningly repetitive. It’s devoid of insight into the human condition, and it’s filled with deplorable characters who are similar to the point of being interchangeable — one of the novel’s running jokes is that its murderous, woman-and-humanity-hating protagonist and narrator, Patrick Bateman, is constantly mistaken for peers who look, act, dress, and talk the same way because they are all products of the same colleges, prep schools, and social circles.
>After suffering through nearly 400 pages of lovingly rendered ultra-violence against women and even more lovingly rendered descriptions of what everyone is wearing, I couldn’t help but feel like we’re not supposed to enjoy the book. Instead, we’re supposed to feel implicated by it, to see our own emptiness reflected in the pulpy story of an inhuman ghoul who comes off as the worst person in the world even before he begins doing unspeakably cruel and deranged things to women — sometimes while they’re dead, and sometimes while they’re still alive — so he can derive an extra level of sadistic pleasure from their agonized screams and soul-consuming terror.
>But just because something is part of an intentional satirical strategy — and to give Ellis credit, the book certainly has a consistent authorial vision and voice, in the sense that it makes the same goddamn points over and over again — does not mean it is good.
>>8150569
>American Psycho feels like the kind of book people buy without any real intention of reading. In that respect, it’s like Stephen Hawking’s A Brief History Of Time (which, alas, wasn’t quite brief enough to actually be read), except that a copy of Hawking’s best-seller strategically placed on a coffee table implicitly conveys that the owner of said copy is intellectually curious enough to want to read a famous book by a smart guy who knows all about science and stuff, while a copy of American Psycho hints that its owner is hip, edgy, unintimidated by the kind of violence not generally seen outside of snuff films, and eager to have an informed opinion in the debate about the novel’s cultural value.
>When, after countless false starts, the film was finally adapted by I Shot Andy Warhol director Marry Harron with Christian Bale in the lead in 2000, it officially removed the final reason anyone would possibly subject themselves to reading Ellis’ exploration of the moral corruption of 1980s Manhattan. Harron’s movie is the rare film adaptation of a culturally significant novel that’s widely, if not universally, held to be superior to the text that inspired it. Harron and co-screenwriter Guinevere Turner took what little value there is in Ellis’ book and tightened, sharpened, and amplified it while wisely excluding the enormous amount in the book that’s dull and repugnant.
>A literal, exhaustively faithful adaptation of American Psycho would run six hours, be banned in every country, and be unwatchable, but these filmmakers did a spectacular job alchemizing literary dross into cinematic gold. It helped that they were able to show what Ellis could only describe, and when a work is all about superficial appearances, that’s an enormous advantage.
>One iconic scene in particular is an especially good example. During a lunch meeting, Patrick Bateman is filled with existential dread when his professional colleagues pull out business cards whose intricate, exquisite details (“bone coloring, Silian Rail lettering” or “eggshell with Romalian type”) both dazzle and enrage him because his card pales in comparison. On the page, the scene falls relatively flat because the details that make the film scene so wonderfully specific in its satire are crowded out by an avalanche of similar details about clothes, electronics, and consumer goods.
>>8150571
>American Psycho the novel feels like a bizarre, bloody shotgun marriage between a Brooks Brothers catalogue and sadistic literary porn. Bateman is compelled to identify the designer, style, and features of the clothes of everyone he encounters. A typical early passage, where Bateman checks out three “hardbodies” (his default description for every woman with a nice body, i.e. most of the women in the book) while clubbing with friends reads, “One is wearing a black side-buttoned notched-collar wool jacket, wool-crepe trousers and a fitted cashmere turtleneck, all by Oscar De La Renta; another is wearing a double-breasted coat of wool, mohair and nylon tweed, matching jeans-style pants and a man’s cotton dress shirt, all by Stephen Spouse; the best-looking one is wearing a checked wool jacket and high-waisted wool skirt, both from Barney’s, and a silk blouse by Andra Gabrielle.” Honestly, I found the idea that a man who does not work in fashion would instantly be able to identify so much information about every garment he comes across far more unrealistic than Bateman murdering dozens of people in brutal, perverse, and fairly public ways and never getting caught.
>Like Patrick Bateman, Ellis is a big believer in overkill. If he only needs to repeat something five times to really get his point across, Ellis will repeat it a thousand times. If you enjoyed the description of the women’s clothes in the paragraph above, you’re in luck, because there are literally hundreds more passages pretty much exactly like it.
>There are telling, novelistic details that succinctly and indelibly capture the world and people they’re describing. Then there are numbingly excessive details, like the ones here, that add little to our understanding of Patrick Bateman’s mind and only serve to pad out the word count to a punishing length. American Psycho doesn’t need an editor: it needs a butcher to lop off its first third.
>And the crazy thing is that the mind-numbing first hundred pages of the book has little actual violence. Bateman’s worst crimes are clearly the ones where he tortures, murders, mutilates and abuses the bodies of young women, sometimes with the assistance of small rodents. Those are genuinely sickening. But his secondary — and still very substantial — crime is that he’s terribly dull, a man without a soul, with a festering sickness where his conscience should be.
>Bateman is less a man than a malevolent spirit defined by the labels on his designer clothes, his perfect body and face, the impossibly expensive, exclusive restaurants he frequents, and the soulless, glistening mainstream pop he not only champions but critiques, or rather extols, in three separate manifestos on three of his favorite artists: Whitney Houston, Genesis, and Huey Lewis and The News.
What are the very best anthologies you can get? I got a couple hard copies of the norton anthology of poetry and modern poetry, that shit was cheap, around 10 bucks for both of them.
>>8150527
I've got a bunch of Penguin Complete anthologies by single poets, they're good because even if you don't want something as overwhelming and predominantly mediocre as a complete collection you can get selected poems for most of the major figures.
I've got all five volumes of the Norton Anthology of American Literature, Seventh Edition.
Shit's pretty cash.
I'm so fucking jealous of the book prices Americans get.
I bought the second edition online and not only it's from 1975, so there are a bunch of newer editions out there, but it's also the shorter one and not the full version with 1000+ pages. For this I paid the equivalent of $14 in my country's currency excluding the delivery fee.
And then I open god-damned Amazon and see this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0393092402/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all
The complete version costs 1 fucking dollar! 5 dollars with the shipping. And to top everything I'm thinking my book may have been lost in the delivery, since it's been some days with no news on the mail website.
I wish the Lord would take me now.
Who /dowload all his books to phone because too lazy to open a book/ here?
good movie anon
>>8150502
How can you read on your phone? Seriously I struggle past 4 pages
>>8150541
don't have a shit celly m80
Let me explain why I'd recommend this book to everyone: Plato is stupid.
Seriously.
And it's important that you all understand that Western society is based on the fallacy-ridden ramblings of an idiot. Read this, understand thathe is not joking, and understand that Plato is well and truly fucked in the head.
Every single one of his works goes like this:
SOCRATES: "Hello, I will now prove this theory!"
STRAWMAN: "Surely you are wrong!"
SOCRATES: "Nonsense. Listen, Strawman: can we agree to the followingwildly presumptive statement that is at the core of my argument?"{Insert wildly presumptive statement here— this time, it's "There is such a thing as Perfect Justice" and "There is such a thing as Perfect Beauty", among others.}
STRAWMAN: "Yes, of course, that is obvious."
SOCRATES: "Good! Now that we have conveniently skipped over all of the logically-necessary debate, because my off-the-wall crazy ideas surely wouldn't stand up to any real scrutiny, let me tell you an intolerably long hypothetical story."
{Insert intolerably long hypothetical story.}
STRAWMAN: "My God, Socrates! You have completely won me over! That is brilliant! Your woefully simplistic theories should become the basis for future Western civilization! That would be great!"
SOCRATES: "Ha ha! My simple rhetorical device has duped them all! I will now go celebrate by drinking hemlock and scoring a cameo inBill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!"
The moral of the story is: Plato is stupid.
Choke on a dick faggot.
I don't know why people who start reading philosophy start with plato.
It's so dense and complex if you know how to listen to his thought - otherwise you get people like >>8150497
>>8150497
>Implying the average exchange doesn't end in with the issue not being resolved.
>Implying that Socrates isn't bested at times e.g. Callicles
>Implying this isn't bait
Are penguin classics any good?
oi
>>8150367
They have one purpose and that's for uninformed people who don't care about what they eat and aren't aware of oxford classics, everymans library, or any of the other alternative publishing houses which are superior.
>>8150422
Truth.
