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Guys, intellectually I'm all spooked out. I can't stand philosophy because of all the unfalsifiable garbage. Many fields like economics etc are just applied common sense and stamp collecting. I see novels as nothing but entertainment despite pretentious people claiming life / philosophical insights and tonnes of people will consider you a disgusting plebeian if you don't initially read shitloads of boring as fuck canon novels.
I think I am painfully adapting to the idea of the Internet age / information overload by abandoning any pretension that I can be an all rounder or even dilettante in everything. There are ten trillion books called "Introduction to [broad and important field]", even if you only have one of each field.
History is similar to novels. Shitloads of reading along with a shitload pretension thrown on top telling you that you truly cannot no nuthin unless you have an in depth understanding of the Greeks / Romans / Christianity / USA / WW1 / WW2 / financial systems / or shitloads of other topics I can't stand it. And then there's current events. I don't care about climate change, outer space, inequality, China, the EU (as long as it doesn't stir up too much shit), applied psychology, the education system, diversity (as long as people aren't treated badly), Russia, South America, refugees, nutrition, mental health, and more. Admitting just one of these would make me an iredeemable idiot, no doubt.
Has anyone else had similar thoughts? The spooks are powerful and must be removed but their removal leaves your mind in a promordial state that is more susceptible to spooks than before.
And obviously I have an existential crisis but /lit/ is fucking pathetic in demanding that anyone who has one should immediately "grow up" and become a monotheist and wagecuck.
High school is hard, I agree
>>8109130
>philosophy because of all the unfalsifiable garbage
Well there's analytical shit if you want to go that route
>economics etc are just applied common sense
You would be surprised at what you can learn about society if you understand certain economic theories. They do, after all, pretty much underpin how most people think and act. Granted you can just skip that shit and go to sociology.
>I see novels as nothing but entertainment
So....whats the problem? Just read what you want, 4chan isn't your life you know (or is it....maybe get off the computer sometime....)
>cannot no nuthin unless you have an in depth understanding
I think that depends on what you are ready. There are fairly light introductions to a particular field of history if you want to learn it. I mean, why not start with King Leopold's Ghost? That's a pretty good read and got me interested in further study of the African colonization.
>Admitting just one of these would make me an iredeemable idiot, no doubt.
Lots of people don't read the news
>The spooks are powerful and must be removed but their removal leaves your mind in a promordial state that is more susceptible to spooks than before.
Well there's paranoia about spooks and then there is critical thinking. Which one are you exercising?
>"grow up" and become a monotheist and wagecuck
Then just don't do either of those things and read Camus
>>8109184
>Well there's analytical shit if you want to go that route
I´m not well-read enough to choose to support either of the camps, but what makes continental philosophy worthwhile?
Philosophy is a load of unfalsifiable garbage that cannot give us any idea on how to live.
I want to work hard but when I work hard I'm sad that I'm not outside enjoying life. When I go outside on a sunny day I only see tones of people I can't relate to. Browsing 4chan on the bus in the city centre seems to be the optimal human contact / solitude ratio.
I want a graduate job to feel less like a loser but I know that if I get one (and I'm pretty sure I'll be offered one in the next few days) I'll feel trapped as a wageslave and kissing out on life.
I'm 25 and I feel like I have a tiny amount of youth left but I don't know what I should be doing with it.
>>8109107
>I want to work hard but when I work hard I'm sad that I'm not outside enjoying life
Working hard is a spook
>When I go outside on a sunny day I only see tones of people I can't relate to
Then get a fucking hobby, thats not philosophy's fault. There are entire bodies of work dedicated to this topic btw
>Browsing 4chan on the bus
There's your problem, get off this Chinese cartoon fetish board and read some philosophy
> to feel less like a loser
Holding one's self to society's standards = spooks
> I'll feel trapped as a wageslave
Be a socialist then
>a tiny amount of youth left but I don't know what I should be doing with it
Snort drugs and fuck a tranny
Join the Army
>I'm 25 and I feel like I have a tiny amount of youth left
Nope, it's over pal. Most people your age have already been working since they graduated at 21.
Just finished this and I gotta saybetter than Bleeding Edge.
Did Jeffrey remind anyone else of Heinrich in White Noise?
>>8109074
This got coverspace on this months NYRB, was it any good, or typical post-modern prose games.
>>8109077
>>8109074
bump ing this thread into eternity bc delillo is literally the only relevant author working today,besides Tao Lin but no one will believe that
>>8109077
i guess because of the way you asked... you wont love it. but when it becomes cheap get it anyway. or get it if youre rich
it holds my attention, and thats saying something
what is the most important literature from 2000 to now?
franzen? delillo? tao lin? hunger games???
>>8108937
>tao lin
>In October 2014, Lin was accused by E. R. Kennedy of having statutorily raped Kennedy in 2006, when Kennedy was 16 and Lin was 22. Kennedy, a trans man, also accused Lin of instances of emotional abuse, and claimed that Lin based passages in Richard Yates on personal email correspondence between the two.
Is he a meme author here?
素晴らしき日々
サクラノ詩The true joke is that this isn't even a joke.
>>8108948
is stuff is bretty good. even when its boring, u always get the sense that hes intelligent. hes not trying to prove it tho.
I am a litizen but I'm starting to see reading books as a faggot hobby. Is anyone else in this situation? The pretentiousness of /lit/, all while hypocritically sucking academia-media-publishing industrial complex cock, is astounding.
>Books R Art... but only if a famous publisher publishes it!
>Reading is noble.. but NEETs who read all day are loserz!
>Reading teaches you about the human condition... but don't imply that leaving the house can teach you that too, you'll expose my boring book as a scam that can't even pretend to be entertainment.
>Book quality is subjective... unless an academic says it's objective!
people have different opinions
>>8108872
well, OP, if you were reading to be cool but hate the cool kids, maybe you could hate yourself for who you are cool/uncool and leave books out of it. or did a book hurt you?
>I'm starting to see reading books as a faggot hobby
I wrote my girlfriend a poem today <3
-Duality-
Two souls, two distinct pains
United by one distinct love
Her voice, his escape
and his voice, hers.
His love unending and vibrant
Her love similarly so
He yearns for her touch
She yearns for his embrace
For soon, he shall hold her
And she will hold him.
lol gay
>>8108820
Thanks friend
>>8108802
Painfully dull and obvious.
Opinions on Jean-Paul Sartre and his work.
Both political essays and his existentialist/nihilist fiction .
I much prefer philosophic essays but It is hard for me to to understand how such an eloquent and clever man can justify so much that is clearly evil. He seems to believe that violence and terrorism are a rational response to the Wests potential for violence.
And his fiction while very Beckett-esque lacks the humor or the tragic scene of Beckett . Also Once you’ve established that life is completely meaningless there isn’t really anywhere to go after that. Except that Sartre tried to fuse it with Marxism for some reason.
>>8108799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co7TqAJTBWM
>>8108799
>Opinions on Jean-Paul Sartre
Serial paedophile, along with Simone.
This discredits his work in perpetuity.
>>8108799
>It is hard for me to to understand how such an eloquent and clever man can justify so much that is clearly evil.
The French will say any old shit if they feel it might be shocking enough to turn the disaffected heads of their countrymen.
what do you guys think about him?
He's superb, but /lit/ will hate him because he wrote for a broad audience and there was actually a point to his philosophy. Recommended.
>>8108767
I like his talks. Have only read Man Woman and Nature, but I enjoyed that also.
Now that he's part of the new meme trilogy, what's his best starting point? Do I jump straight into The Tunnel?
you want to jump into this guy's gass tunnel?
lmao
What a fat fuck.
>>8108682
Depends, if you're looking for challenging, thick piece of mysanthropic brilliance.
If you're not a fag.
But then go for omensetters luck.
>friend recommends me a book
>look up the author
>It's a woman
>>8108570
Baited. But fuck you though.
>>8108570
>tfw you only read philosophy and literature
pick up a man's subject OP
>>8108583
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What makes writing good? What makes writing bad? Most people can recognize good writing, deep characters, a solid plot. Personally, I have never been able to articulate what makes any of these things (characters, plot, themes), poor or good. Do you guys have any resources into maybe some basics of this? How does a writer make a "good" character?
>>8108525
>What makes writing good?
Is it obscure and needless convoluted?
>What makes writing bad?
Is it popular?
>>8108525
Truth + good craft.
>>8108527
I'm being genuine.
>>8108529
What exactly do you mean by truth?
What makes writing "well crafted"? It's easy to point at a painting and say "Yes, the brush strokes emulate a tree perfectly." Even if it's not a evocative or inspiring painting, you can see that it is crafted well. How do you do the same for writing?
Has anyone ever went the self publishing route via ebooks? How'd it go?
It went swimmingly.
>>8108433
did you make bank?
>>8108442
I made the mommies wank.
How do you guys read your poetry books?
Do you read it cover to cover? Do you just browse them ocassionaly?
Personally, I usually read them all in one or two sittings, mark my favorite poems, and then come back to those later on. There are a few books on my shelves, however, which I've been just browsing for years now: I've read a lot of poems from my complete edition of Yeats, for instance, but I haven't yet read all of it.
If it's a book-lenght poem, such as the Odyssey, then I always read it from cover to cover, just like I do with a novel, although I sometimes come back to read separate cantos.
>>8108338
I'm currently working my way through Dickinson's collection of poems. So far I've been reading it for periods of 15 minutes tops, marking stuff I like, and setting it down while I do other stuff or read the novel I'm working through. Hers are so short though, its hard to read it for very long just because it means I'll go through 50 poems
I keep one in my backpack and read a few poems between classes if I can find somewhere quiet (and sometimes away from people so I can read quietly to myself).
Going through a collection of Kipling right now. Its okay.
>>8108456
Kipling’s greatest fault was that as a master of his craft he could o anything and thus may of his poems are spiced with dialects and the kind of wordplay that precludes them from being read more then ones.
As for reading . If its a poem Im familiar with where I know the stress and beats I usually just read whenever. But in the case of new poems I prefer to sit down alone and scan them multiple times before I feel satisfied. Then again im horrible at reading the stuff out so im probably not the best example out there
>he still reads fiction
>implying i would dirty myself by socializing mud-skinned ethnics and jews
>>8108321
Careful on those edges
>>8108320
>he doesn't read fiction
Who here reads scientific articles in their free time?
What are the pleasures and pains you get from it, personally?
>>8108285
i dont have autismt.
>>8108285
Yes, I occasionally read articles about new medical treatments and research etc. It comes from wanting to know the original sources behind lots of shitty newspaper reporting like the Daily Mail's THIS THING CAUSES/CURES CANCER etc.
Reading a bit of basic statistics helped. There is also a really good introductory ebook/website into how medicines are tested, called Testing Treatments, that describes the methodology behind medical tests. I have online access to the journals (Nature, etc) where articles are published. Also Ben Goldacre's books Bad Science and Bad Pharma do a good job of explaining why everyone should be interested in reading research like that.
>>8108295
>haha wanting to know how things work, instead of just sitting around thinking really deep thoughts about them, is "autismt"
yeah fuck off you iimbecile
I read them when there's something I'm looking into out of interest.
For example I read a few studies on Indole-3-Carbinol yesterday.
