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So after a lot of research and thinking, I have finally decided to buy Robert Fitzgerald's translation of the Iliad and the Odyssey. Have I made the right decision? Or Will I regret later?
You fell for it, Fagles is the best.
>>7845802
learn greek
>>7845802
>>7845818
>Not reading the only good version
Friendly reminder that speed reading is a meme.
>who is harold bloom
>>7845768
was there any evidence of his "full retention", other than a case of "I promise - I can read 1000 pages per hour and understand it all in full."?
>>7845777
>doubting the patron saint
Sometimes I think most of the lovely things go unnoticed.
It's hard to stay mad when there's so much beauty in the world.
niggerstoneguemanuslifereallyisfucamazingkingamazingsometothelibraryandsteponitmes
So was Darl actually going insane or did he just want to end their ordeal?
>>7845735
L'auteur est mort. What do you think?
>>7845745
I dunno I think talking to a corpse seems p wacky but then again maybe that's just how he's symbolically portraying his experience.
>>7845735
no darl was smarter than any of em
So does any one here have any theories about the 3rd book?
Has any book before this one sucked you as fast? Pro tip, doubtful
>>7845697
*tips respectfully in your direction*
I too am a great lover of these books. I can really relate to Kvothe, and would go so far as to say as he is literally me, as I too am loved by all people (except haters ofc), and women as well, and have had QUITE a few conquests of exotic women if I may so say myself, ha ha
you wont find any love for these books here lol. one of the most annoying things ive read desu
>>7845697
>>>/reddit/
anyone a fan of thug notes
not that i need the explanations but its kinda entertaining seeing this guy talk about /lit/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nm61IoNdHg&index=23&list=PLghL9V9QTN0jTgA1qrhWrBCB_Ln4xlVlB
>>7845674
>not that I need the explanations
You probably do if you're the sort of intellect that finds this funny
>>7845674
He has reddit-tier taste.
>>7845674
the premise of HAHA BLACK GUY TALK FUNNY ABOUT BOOKS is incredibly racist/tasteless to be quiet honest familia
Is stream of consciousness as a literary style dead? Is it still a viable way of writing a book or is it considered antiquated/cliched?
>>7845668
If you're so concerned about how the format of the style of your prose may be judged by others, writing is not for you.
>>7845668
No writing style is ever dead if you do it well.
>>7845670
hehehehehe le master troll!! XD
Jewels and Addies relationship to this book is absolutely stunning.
The first word of the book is Jewel.
Addie's chapter might be the finest I have ever read.
Let's talk As I Lay Dying.
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It's been a while since I've read it, but AILD really put me on Faulkner in general. Love how they had to drag their dead, smelly mom through a river. Also, the stream-of-consciousness narrative really creates a narrative that fleshes out how shitty each character is in their own personal way
I'm about to start The Sound and the Fury in my class and im pretty excited
>>7845648
H A C K
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Ha, just kidding.
Anyone remember this beauty?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/276085998/Defunct
>>7845625
bump
i do
:'(
>90% of this board is Newfags that don't remember the penis was.
What books make you react like pic related?
None, because I am not a nigger.
ij
Lost Boys by Orson Scott Card
>>7845613
Way to get the joke, Einstein.
Anyone read this? Getting so hyped for LP9 that it's spilling into my reading log. What did you think of it? It reminds me a lot about a New Yorker article I read a few months ago, the best one I ever read, about Tyrone Hayes taking on Syngenta i/r/t the dangers of the pesticide atrazine and being crushed in terms of academic credibility by the multinational corporation. If you guys haven't read it, you should google it.
i liked it well enough and enjoy studying Western conceptions of wilderness, so it's worthwhile as part of that world.
it does get boring though, she rehashes that chemicals can spread from one medium to another in every chapter.
>if they get in the soil they can get in the water and into animals! if they get into the sky they get into clouds and get into rain and into animals! if they get into this body of water they can get into that body of water!
it's tiresome
I remember finding a website with a death counter numbering how many people across the world have died as an indirect result of Rachel Carson's book. I can't remember where I saw it but it made me laugh due to the irony of the whole thing.
>>7845628
more would have died if it weren't for the book due to ecological collapse
Friend who knows I like to read gave me this.
What is this according to /lit/?
>>7845574
It's "you'd better read it before your 16th birthday"-tier.
Take half an hour and read it.
>>7845574
Worst fucking thing I've read in a while.
i have no idea, please someone explain this
He was high.
but still, i wanna know the meaning
>>7845470
Then open a dictionary and start looking up words you illiterate pleb
>In the world today all culture, all literature and art belong to definite classes and are geared to definite political lines. There is in fact no such thing as art for art's sake, art that stands above classes, art that is detached from or independent of politics. Proletarian literature and art are part of the whole proletarian revolutionary cause; they are, as Lenin said, cogs and wheels in the whole revolutionary machine.
>Mao Zedong
It seems like almost all discussion of art among the fancy critics comes down to political meaning or use. My personal beliefs run against this being the most meaningful way people can understand and appreciate art, although I would say its very possible to turn anything into a political piece though interpretation. I'm more interested in aesthetics and stimulation. I have my own ideas, but I want to be better read on this matter.
So /lit/ could you name some authors, philosophers, etc. who attack or propose a counter to the idea of art being best when treated politically, the definition of art being limited to political meaning, or similar ideas that make art depended on politics?
I've read a fair deal of Nietzsche, but I also can't quite pin down his ideals on art. I often get the impression he embraces art as escapism with what he says about "lies" being necessary for life. On the other hand, I get completely confused by his criticism of Wagner's music, which seems inconsistent at times (maybe due to when he said conflicting statements?). There's also the Apollo/Dionysus concepts, which Greek tragedies apparently managed to fuse successfully through music, which I understand even less.
I'm also interested in Susan Sontag's "Against Interpretation and Other Essays". From the snippets I've read so far of the main essay, which I've enjoyed, it seems to be what I'm looking for. "In place of a hermeneutics we need an erotics of art" is a slick line.
Any help (or debate) would be deeply appreciated.
The use that most people are making of this kind of thing, especially Marxist and post-Marx-y types (including post-structuralists like Foucault etc.), is not that art CAN be turned to political ends, but that life is inherently immersed in or composed of ideological content, and so art is necessarily ideological as well.
Some lines of thought, like the communist, are more explicit about promoting "revolutionary art" or "proletarian art," often through the state, like socialist realism for the USSR and the ideas of Lenin that Mao is mentioning there, which are also cited explicitly by Gramsci as the major inspirations for his own formulation of culture (prominently including art) as an ideological/political battleground that needs to be won by the proletariat.
Some are more vaguely activist but still activist, like Foucault and a lot of other post-structuralists, and a lot of the Frankfurt School. They focus more on critique and their critiques can be extremely subtle or extremely wide-ranging, basically encompassing entire anthropological theories of Western subjectivity. Most of these guys are informed by the linguistic and discursive strains of 20th century thought, which are pretty much dominant.
What you really want to read of Nietzsche is probably his genealogy of morals obviously, but also On the Advantage and Disadvantage of History for Life. Nietzsche is a cornerstone of these later views because he reduced truth to held belief (the "lies"), and the mediation of truth to power relationships. His other aesthetics stuff is less influential on these kinds of views (though in general, you shouldn't try to read Nietzsche as a single philosophical system). Look into what Ricoeur called the "school of suspicion" and the general character of 20th century melancholic self-doubt, rather than trying to find the origins of this shit in Nietzsche's aesthetics.
You will also want to know about deconstruction, via Derrida and Paul de Man. Again part of the linguistic, discursive, and general suspicion-of-truth strains. Go into it like it's a cult rather than a coherent philosophical position and you'll understand it a lot better - remember, whatever you think of Derrida or his political mission (whatever it was), the party line of deconstruction was mainly towed by billions of pissant graduate theses and self-fellating lit professors establishing it as orthodoxy, not any actual political action.
If you want to go against this kind of thing, go find pre-deconstruction lit crit.
>I'm more interested in aesthetics and stimulation.
Try reading some Denham on Frye, or on Frye's use of Longinus' ekstasis.
>>7845440
I know it might sound memey and it's music not literature, but Zach Hill in my opinion goes against the whole 'Ideology rules art' concept, and gives a good example of other people you might see that live for art and not some agenda. (I of course am aware of these artist and myself articulating under certain spooks, but think there is a distinct difference between spooks and ideology.)
>>7845440
I think the essay Against Interpretation might strike a chord with you, however, it lacked definition for my tastes. Sontag generally expresses a distaste in something very similar to what you're describing, namely, the literary theories that have become so popular as skeleton keys to interpret any and all texts, lenses to see the world through. Examples of these are Freudian psychoanalysis, reader response, cultural Marxism. She defined her conceived problem well enough. Her solution to her conceived problem perhaps evaded me. At the very least, all of my most prominent theories on what she meant could be controverted.
Sontag is a brilliant woman but she is not an organized thinker. I'm guessing she wrote compulsively. I would set aside two or three hours to read it over, maybe twice, and mull over it.
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What's your most precious book, /lit/, and why?
>pic related
>comfiest book ever
Trumps book because it was written by an Alpha
>>7845377
edicion toda culera.
Signed edition of My Twisted World
