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Halfway through IJ.
Am I supposed to be pronouncing Schtitt as:
"Shit"
"Skit"
"Skitit"
?
Shtit
>>8062491
Shhhtit?
>subvocalizing
how is gaddis not more famous? I just finished this and it was amazing. one of my favorite books of all time. it was funny, emotional and somehow super relevant. I could match people I know to characters in the book. I've noticed some other people are reading it now. what do you guys think?
Can you compare The recognition's difficulty to some other books?
>>8062647
Do you think if it takes a long time to read that it's difficult? If so, it's quite hard.
>>8062647
I haven't found any of it difficult. I didn't have a hard time with mason and Dixon but I'd say mason and Dixon was harder. it's just long. it was so consistenly good that the length only made it better. I never wanted it to end. you get to know some of the characters so well. fuck I might actually reread it one day.
http://www.twainquotes.com/Satan.html
Some quotes by Mark Twain about satan in that link. In two of them he makes the claim that four-fifths of humanity worship him. I've never heard that four-fifths figure before and don't know where it comes from, any ideas?
>any ideas?
The burgeoning secularism of his time probably led him to this idea; however it's a shared idea by many men as they age that the world's becoming a thoughtless, heartless, less considerate place.
>>8062435
I don't disagree with you, it's just kind of a precise estimate and he state's it as if it is fact. I mean why not about four fifths, or five sixths or seven tenths? I feel like he knew something I don't.
He count all people except americans.
Give me one fucking good reason why I should give a shit about the academia-media-publishing industrial complex and it's pseudo intellectual hangers on such as you guys.
I'll use this bait thread to ask, what the fuck is going on with you anglophones and it's/its? I'm seeing them being misused every day a bit more, is it because you're typing on a phone and you're getting autocorrected, are you just idiots, did you finally say fuck it and just erased the distinction from your grammars?
>>8062416
My phone autocorrects were to we're and hell to he'll semi randomly (I actually had to mess about and change the second one there).
On the other hand I'm pretty well educated and intelligent, went through bog standard Anglo state education. Wasn't ever taught about its and it's, found out about it myself at like 14 or 15, so people using it in the possessive doesn't surprise me.
I'm convinced more and more by the day that Chomsky is just a leftist Stefan Molyneux
What is the veredict?
>>8062347
Very old meme
>>8062347
not a single recipe on how to cook an anarchist.
avoid.
Hopelessly out of date and probably bogus, kind of fun if you're a teenager.
>>8062390
Second post best post.
What anons of /lit/ have read Arthur Koestler's "Darkness at Noon"?
I was assigned to read it in a political science course and I have to say it was a great read. I highly recommend it.
For those of you here who have read it what did you think of it?
>>8062249
Apparently no one likes good books here.
Koestler is great so I will bump
>>8062249
what is it about? the noonday demon?
Do Hemingway's other books have the same style as this? If no how come?
no
dunno
>>8062225
The Sun Also Rises is similar if I remember correctly.
This is the only book from him i've ever read and i disliked it, but the were some times were it was fantastic (the last page for exemple).
If his other books are not written in the same way than maybe i can find something that is fantastic all the way through.
>Människofåglar.
>Äppelträden blommade.
>Den stora gåtan.
Goddammit Tranströmer.
>>8062189
Är han värd att sätta sig in i?
>>8062237
Ja.
>>8062245
Då får jag gå ner till Studentbokhandeln när hemtentan är inlämnad.
Tell me if I've got this down. I haven't read Lacan, but from arguments on 4chan and readings of several of Zizek's books, I've gotten this out of him.
1. Psychoanalysis
Lacan refers to his theories as being psychoanalytical, and he ran a psychoanalytic practice. He saw his work as a rejection of Freud that was meant to patch up the holes in Freud's theories. Whether or not he succeeded, and whether or not the method he used was valid, is debatable, but beside the point of this post--when Lacanians refer to "psychoanalysis," they mean either the entire history of the discourse stretching back to Freud, or the specifically Lacanian way of performing this practice. The nature of the referent depends on the context.
2. Fantasy
Our fantasies are constituent to our perception of the world. Lacanian psychoanalysis encourages us to embrace our fantasies, to the extent that this can help us attain the jouissance necessary for human flourishing or, at the very least, psychological health. (Again, whether or not this works is beside the point, I'm just trying to understand Lacan's claims.) The Fantastic plays a significant role in the process whereby man is subjugated by power, interpolated into an ideology or religion, and relates to his fellow humans and himself psychologically. The human need to embrace the Fantastic is a key part of Lacanian psychoanalysis, which we might call post-rational for its rejection of Freud's antipathy toward religion and the primitive. The Fantastic lies beyond the order of symbolism; compare it to the superego, in terms of the way it works as a conditioner of the ego.
(contd)
3. The Real
The Real is the sum of the basic, visceral sensations that give rise to the sense of self, the things that cannot be symbolized or properly integrated into the Fantastic order, which exists in part to cope with what goes on on the level of the Real.
4. The Symbolic
All of this is mediated by the symbolic order, which is in fact, as language conceived in a very broad sense, the essence of consciousness. Essentially, we can get lost in the symbolic and lose touch with the relationship between the Real and the Fantastic. The point of Lacanian psychoanalysis, like Platonic contemplation, Christian prayer, Zen meditation or the Confucian rectification of names, is to bring ourselves, as agents operating primarily on the level of the symbolic within the confines of the social and physical structures that give rise to the Fantastic and the Real, in touch with these visceral kernels of Being which defy symbolization and which therefore defy us, as symbolic and symbolizing, signified and symbolizing beings.
So is this Lacan? Or is this just some post-Hegelian bullshit that I just concocted?
>>8062076
>>8062078
Point 1 is wrong, there is no rejection of Freud, he himself called his work freudian, it is a return to Freud not a rejection.
Point 2 it seems you are calling the Imaginary order Fantasy which is wrong, it lends itself to confusion when you read about the phantasm as well.
Point 4
>Essentially, we can get lost in the symbolic and lose touch with the relationship between the Real and the Fantastic.
The borromean knot tries to point the exact opposite of this, there is not one without the others.
So, yea, I would say you got the majority of it wrong and should probably read Lacan instead of 4chan "arguments" and Zizek if you intend to understand anything about his theory.
Sup /lit/
So how come you're not a Knight of faith?
m8, I'm
i should find an inn keeper to make me one
>>8062049
I've made my momevent of infinite resignation
I don't know where to go from here
Your favourite prose excerpts? I'll start.
>What we need, of course, is a language which will allow us to distinguish the normal or routine fuck from the glorious, the rare, or the lousy one - a fack from a fick, a fick from a fock - but we have more names for parts of horses than we have for kinds of kisses, and our earthy words are all ... well ... 'dirty'. It says something dirty about us, no doubt, because in a society which had a mind for the body and other similarly vital things, there would be a word for coming down, or going up, words for nibbles on the bias, earlobe loving, and every variety of tongue track. After all, how many kinds of birds do we distinguish? We have a name for the Second Coming but none for a second coming. In fact our entire vocabulary for states of consciousness is critically impoverished.
>>8061949
Interesting. Is that Gass? Any recs for a first time reader?
>>8061949
A true master of prose, remiscent of Joyce.
Did Gass write for Vogue or something?
Does anyone have experience writing books on Upwork or any other freelancing sites? How picky are these contractors? Can you get away with mediocre work and pocket some money on the side?
I've only written one book (a Christian, anti-Marijuana addiction Romance novel). The people who hired me were totally chill and gave me a bonus despite me turning in the project a week late. Other people have not been so forgiving. I think probably the not forgiving is the more common experience but I don't really know. Mostly the problem is succeeding given that Upwork has far too many writers all trying to pick up the few jobs that actually pay anything more than zero dollars.
>>8062022
>Mostly the problem is succeeding given that Upwork has far too many writers all trying to pick up the few jobs that actually pay anything more than zero dollars.
Every
Freelance
Site
Ever
Indians will literally drive down the price so hard It's incredibly, like hundreds of manhours of work for $5.
>>8062033
It definitely doesn't help that Upwork takes a cut, making every 100$ magically into 90$.
How do you guys go about writing a story? Do you prepare weeks before with a vast quantity of notes, outlining everything you're about to write in advance? Or do you write straight away, and develop a semblance of structure as it comes?
It occurred to me I never people this who I know like to write. I find it interesting now.
never asked*
I just write about a guy doing something I think is funny and then it leads to other things and now shit I've got a story.
>>8061915
Fair enough, I did something similar for a little page long prose scene and my workshop liked it.
Books that wouldn't be popular and "make it" today if released
pic related. None of his books would get past the protests that would undoubtedly surround them
>>8061858
Didn't he hire some guy to stage feminist protests as a marketing campaign or something?
>>8061862
Wouldn't surprise me seeing as the whole reason he really blew up in the first place was controversy. That whole Miss Vermont thing.
anything by dfw
What am I supposed to do after I "started with the greeks"?
Continue with the Romans
parse the persians
just skip through until you get to Voltaire
