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hey guys, i thought u guys would be knowledgeable about this sort of thing.
what are the 2 women between jesus called?
are they nuns?
thanks
Mary Magdalene and his mum Mary
the woman in blue is mary. the woman in red is mary magdelen, the woman who washed jesus' feet with her hair.
depending on which book of the bible you read the first mary could be his mother, or the mother of james and joseph, but since she's wearing blue, she's more likely mary, jesus' mother, in this pic.
the other mary can be jesus' mother's relative, also called mary, but since her hair is down and she is wearing red, it's likely mary magdelene.
tl;dr- >>7831550 is the most likely answer but it's not always the case since there's many marys to choose from for this scene.
Yes what the other two said. I seem to remember hearing that if a Renaissance painting depicted a figure with gold around their head it means they're a Saint of some sort, basically they won't just be nuns.
ok so like androids wouldn't dream of electric sheep because humans don't dream about normal ones? we think about them when were trying to sleep
But like do they dream of *real* sheep just like us, or are they more sympathetic to other artificial life?
>>7831509
what does sympathy have to do with it?
ok tho I kind of get that
like if they're an electric version of us do they aspire to live in a world where being electric is normal?
you actually shouldn't count sheep when you're trying for sleep but actually imagine a calm soothing environment e.g. lying on the beach as the sun sets in front of you and the waves in high tide lap up on the beach, which may qualify as a sufficiently calm image to foster drowsiness for some people.
also just read it instead of spitballing on the title
Trying to ascend plebeian status and get back into reading. I was reading Camus' The Rebel, at the introduction, and I came across one of those moments when I don't quite know what an author means specifically. Do you just skim through that, /lit/?
Here, I didn't know what he was quite referring to at: "There are crimes of passion and crimes of logic. The boundary between them is not clearly defined. But the Penal Code makes the convenient distinction of premeditation and perfect crime. Our criminals are no longer helpless children who could plead love as their excuse. On the contrary, they are adults and they have a perfect alibi: philosophy, which can be used for any purpose - even for transforming murderers into judges." But I understand the gist of it, people seeming to use philosophy and ideology to justify their actions, rather than their passions? Not until the next page do I get a bit of a clearer image on what he's talking about. How does /lit/ read when they're not quite sure what they're reading?
p-pls no bully
>>7831213
Hi,
I will not reply to you regarding The Rebel because I didn't read it, but about the "not understanding part".
I often spend a lot of time re-reading the same part before going to another, but it's out of pure obsessiveness (it's hard for me to accept the fact I'm not getting it, and I believe that's your point?). It's not really wise, because a first read is only a first read, and things will emerge later. So I re-read (entire book and the parts which interest me), re-read, re-read and so on. It also implies reading secondary sources, texts the author is referring to, authors referring to the text I'm reading, "history" or context around the text, etc. (so, a never-ending work, as long as the text interests you)
Sometimes, not understanding is just because of one's "dumbness" on the moment of reading, but I think the fact you couldn't "get it all" is necessary for a book to be good. A good book should not be understandable at first glance (or even second, third, etc.). Or rather, one should be able to squeeze something from each reading, without being able to say : "I understood it all". I don't know if this is the kind of answer you wanted?
Camus is a fucking quack, OP
he contradicts himself often
>>7831213
a child can use his passions as an excuse, and they are forgiven since they are children
but for an adult, this no longer excusable. but, ideology/philosophy gives the adult an adequate excuse, and can even make himself appear as the righteous rather than the judged.
that's what i get out of it.
Just read it more than once, or even come back to it later.
Hello /lit. I have an english assignment due tomorrow, the theme is memory and its a unconventional narrative with a fragmented structure. Can someone please make it good.
One looks back over the past as a book, but while we are at the present we see the future as a page . Memories are something we love and hate. We collect so many over years of happiness and sadness, and it vanishes instantaneously when we die. “You are who you choose to be.” Ted Hughes writes in Iron Man. Life is like a river delta with what starts as a blank singular slate, floods into thousands of paths creating millions of possibilities and opportunities. Life is a long journey with a short painful end, and no remission. Stress and obstacles materialise as we interact with our surroundings and people making one hustle and strive or suppress and stifle desire. Our self-conscious minds allow us to feel complex amalgams of emotions. Is there a greater purpose of living or just an evolutional treadmill? Should you ignore the concept and live in the present until your life ends, knowing that it will, or should you attempt to find a deeper reason for existing.
Part 2/3
We travel through each page of the past, writing diaries in our mind; impressions, smells, places, people. Creation of memories is something we do subconsciously. We live in the present and look back into the past while riding into the future. A sense of time is not knowing a number but allowing yourself to be in the present, future and past at once. The past is something we forget, and the future is what we fear or long for. Some experiences go quickly, while others seem as if they will never end.” And the elephant sings deep in the forest-maze. About a star of deathless and painless peace. But no astronomer can find where it is.” To achieve happiness one must live in the moment and pursue life to the fullest until the future comes down to the end of the book, its last page. The combination of wants and a focus on the future and past creates an unfertile mind for creating happiness. Once we created society, we created false senses and impurities that overtake us and create our distracted minds. The ability to create memories subconsciously is the greatest and worst attribute that has been granted to us. Life is an experiment, “there is no escape except escape until death.” One of the few things that allows us to see our purpose in life is when we leave it. For some people who have shared their lives and given other people an opportunity to develop and grow, it is a happy experience. What footprint we have left in the ground and what leaves we have crushed? We look back to see what time has engulfed us into living a short life (or maybe a long one?) and what change we have created is perceived in a moment to be taken and remembered by others living their lives. Our pages blend into someone else’s book. We have no control over it. Others compile their memories from the scraps we leave behind. How creative are they? We do not know and cannot control the process. However, we do know that the goodness we have left behind, the good deeds, will most likely beget other good deeds. All we can do is to hope and to act.
Part 3/3
We look back, but it is the quality of our deeds that permeates the past. Is there an inherent quality to good and bad? How do we tell them apart? God only knows. However, it seems that the good deeds will ultimately beget the good, and the bad, the bad. Thou shalt know the results of your deeds by the fruit they bare.
One can look at our memories as indelible chinks in the rock of time. Fate creates the book of our lives that we will be asked to account of the end of life. Is that a real possibility? Some people seem to think, like the ancient Greeks that our fates are written way ahead of our lives, and all we have to do is to ask an oracle to give you a clue. But the clue is never mathematical or complete. It contains another mystery in it, which we have to find out by living. King Oedipus thought he knew the meaning of his life when it was divined to him by the oracle. But it had a twist in it. By telling him that he will marry his mother and kill his own father. So Oedipus knew the meaning of his life. But did it help him at all? Not really, so the Ancient Greeks were attempting to tell one that the meaning of life, even if known in advance, is still inscrutable.
>>7831086
What exactly are you looking for when you say, "make it good?"
Did any of your professors ever make you read his stuff in the class?
Unusual sexual fantasies or otherwise.
Once, but he'd written the textbook and it was a pretty good textbook so I could understand why.
If I were a professor I would totally do this. I'd make them read my erotic fanfiction and analyze it. I'll call it postmodern, they'll be none the wiser.
A psychology professor I have wrote his own textbook. Super smart, but he's a pretty bad writer, and he has this weird habit of talking about his own research in third person when he cites paper's he wrote. Is this standard in academia or is he just weird?
>tfw all my stories come out sounding like shitty amateur versions of classic stories I've read
How do I git gud?
You don't.
Who is this semen demon OP?
>>7832197
They should teach people how to reverse image search in public schools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqRiPKGD4Ag
Haven't visited lit before, so delete this if this isn't allowed I suppose.
I need a custom poem! It needs to be pretty darn short and has to start with particular letters (AEJC).
Example:
Always...
Extravagant...
Janice Joplin...
Charm.
I'm a quadruplet and I'm the only one out of the four who hasn't gotten a tattoo yet, and I want something that ties into being a quad and my closeness with my siblings. Our birth order is A, E, J, C, so that's why I'd like it this way.
So, yeah, a short poem that is compelling, meaningful, shows our close bond or some variation of being moving or sincere is what I'm looking for.
It would mean a lot, I've never been poetic.
>>7830877
this is a bad idea. and you will regret the tattoo. just get a tribal. or bamboo shoots.
>>7830877
Just get barbed wire around your bicep
>>7830877
Always eradicate Jewish communities
>writting diolouge
>all the characters sound the same
Maybe you should go out and talk to more people.
>writing dialogue
literally just filler space in books unless you're doing interesting things with language and visual representation of that
>>7830859
Shakespeare is 100% filler apparently.
I'm looking for a certain kind of literature, but I don't know what to call it. It's not nihilism per se. I do believe most of the things we take for granted are lies and misunderstandings and that at the end everything is meaningless, obviously. I'm looking for books that look at life with a deeper understanding than monotheistic religions do. I'm looking for "Yes, things may seem meaningless BUT... " I don't believe in the christian god, but I believe in the power of words, and the universe... please help.
Have you read your Greeks yet? It's a meme for a reason.
>>7830760
I've read enough Greeks already I guess, not the whole list that has been share before but... please recommend me something beyond that.
>>7830791
how can i recommend something when I don't know your background in philosophy?
Rate my poim
"I am a human"
That's what I told my teachers
On my first day of school
"No, that's simply not possible.
Humans bleed, humans bruise.
Humans make mistakes, humans are flawed.
And we'll have none of that here."
So they corrected me
"I love nature"
That's what I told my doctor
On my first checkup visit
"Oh, that simply wont do.
The sun sears skins
And ground gives grass.
The Rose is far too red
And the sky far too blue.
Nature is slow and unproductive.
Only the unnatural can thrive."
So he corrected me
"I don't need to rhyme"
That's what I told my teacher
In high school, learning of poets and poetry
"What a silly thing to say!
All good poets rhyme!
Shakespeare would laugh,
Wordsworth would cry!
Just think of what Emerson would say,
If you didn't do it my way!"
So she corrected me
"I don't think it's funny"
That's what I told my friend
About the comedian obsessed with money
"Ah, your humanness has no end!
You see, it's so hilarious
Because everyone else loves it.
The jokes are lame enough to be nefarious!
Free yourself of reason and wit,
And it will become as funny as can be!"
So he corrected me
"I love you"
That's what I told her
The girl with eyes shining blue
She short circuited my heart for sure
"I cannot fathom the words you speak,
I do know of love
But it is fickle and weak.
Strange things, your gears consist of
But I do not love like you.
A machine like me hates.
Hate makes me stronger than you
I live behind the metal, unnatural gates."
So she corrected me
And so she crushed me
"I am free"
That's what I sang
As I bled my rose red blood
My soul flew free,
Free from my machine body
Free from my steel bones
Free from my copper veins
I flew toward the clouds
I flew toward nature
Away from the metal city
Away from my rusty rhymes
Away from my android friends
My body is mechanical
But I am a human
>>7830562
Not a poem shit and you should feel bad/10
didn't read, but good job you write, keep on, pal
I read it in a Hank Hill voice/10
>go to the library
>ask for Ulysses
>pronounce it "you-liss-iss"
>can see librarian hesitate a second
>"not sure if I have "YOU-LISS-EASE""
You-liss-iss or You-liss-ease?
>>7830548
yew-liss-eezzz
>>7830548
you liss eez
fucking retard
Not with a z.
You said it better with an S
What are your thoughts on Bleeding Edge?
It isn't good... yet
>>7830470
Just finished it about a week ago. I enjoyed it a lot, although probably less than the other Pynchon I've read (Gravity's Rainbow, Lot 49, Inherent Vice).
His contemporary references to shit like Metal Gear Solid, Burzum, and robots.txt files pleasantly surprised me considering his age and made the book feel really immersive and accurate to the time period.
Also, I really enjoyed his the whole idea of a VR simulation of the deepweb. Those parts kinda felt like "Pynchon does Snow Crash" which was pretty great because I've got a soft spot for sci fi.
>>7830719
OH NO REFERENCES
DOESN'T THAT MAKE IT
POST MODERN? ??????
The book that started it all.
the man, the myth, the legend
Boy's Club is a really nice slice of life comic.
ITT: Books only you have read
>>7830208
Be honest, OP. You fapped to that ending, right?
>reading pic related
>someone says to me that it's airport-bookstore level trash
Was he right?
>>7830202
idk but i loved the spy who came n from the cold
i've never read any spy fiction but i generally hate spy movies
theyre always too impersonal, i never know or care who anybody is and they're full of boring exposition
is that pretty much what to expect from spy fiction?
