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What's the best book about plotting?
The three-act structure of screenplays is good to know, even if you're not writing a movie. Most events can be understood as a three-act structure, like a fractal.
Will anyone take a second to recommend something?
I'll bump with recommendations for other, related writing topics.
King's remains very good.
Has anyone actually read this? I'm about 200 pages in. It is unlike anything I've ever read and I've read pretty much every meme post modern book book out there.
Not sure if I like it or not but I think that's the point. The writing is God level regardless.
I've only read Omensetter's Luck by Gass. Is it along the same lines (stream of consciousness, character based psychological dramedy)?
>>8255832
It's actually a lot different, more so than I expected.
It's hard to explain how it's written. The main character is basically just writing down his thoughts and memories about everything in his life. It's kind of like being in the mind of the "protagonist" so I guess in theory it is stream of consciousness but not completely bat shit like the furber parts of omensetter
>>8255825
Yes, it's one of my favorites. And you're right--you're not really supposed to like it; instead, you're supposed to see some of yourself in it.
Post your'e favorite poem.
>>8255791
tu puta madre
>>8255791
End, Middle, Beginning
There was an unwanted child.
Aborted by three modern methods
she hung on to the womb,
hooked onto I
building her house into it
and it was to no avail,
to black her out.
At her birth
she did not cry,
spanked indeed,
but did not yell-
instead snow fell out of her mouth.
As she grew, year by year,
her hair turned like a rose in a vase,
and bled down her face.
Rocks were placed on her to keep
the growing silent,
and though they bruised,
they did not kill,
though kill was tangled into her beginning.
They locked her in a football
but she merely curled up
and pretended it was a warm doll's house.
They pushed insects in to bite her off
and she let them crawl into her eyes
pretending they were a puppet show.
Later, later,
grown fully, as they say,
they gave her a ring,
and she wore it like a root
and said to herself,
'To be not loved is the human condition,'
and lay like a stature in her bed.
Then once,
by terrible chance,
love took her in his big boat
and she shoveled the ocean
in a scalding joy.
Then,
slowly,
love seeped away,
the boat turned into paper
and she knew her fate,
at last.
Turn where you belong,
into a deaf mute
that metal house,
let him drill you into no one.
Achilles' wrath, to Greece the direful spring
Of woes unnumber'd, heavenly goddess, sing!
That wrath which hurl'd to Pluto's gloomy reign
The souls of mighty chiefs untimely slain;
Whose limbs unburied on the naked shore,
Devouring dogs and hungry vultures tore.41
Since great Achilles and Atrides strove,
Such was the sovereign doom, and such the will of Jove!42
Declare, O Muse! in what ill-fated hour43
Sprung the fierce strife, from what offended power
Latona's son a dire contagion spread,44
And heap'd the camp with mountains of the dead;
The king of men his reverent priest defied,45
And for the king's offence the people died.
For Chryses sought with costly gifts to gain
His captive daughter from the victor's chain.
Suppliant the venerable father stands;
Apollo's awful ensigns grace his hands
By these he begs; and lowly bending down,
Extends the sceptre and the laurel crown
He sued to all, but chief implored for grace
The brother-kings, of Atreus' royal race46
"Ye kings and warriors! may your vows be crown'd,
And Troy's proud walls lie level with the ground.
May Jove restore you when your toils are o'er
Safe to the pleasures of your native shore.
But, oh! relieve a wretched parent's pain,
And give Chryseis to these arms again;
If mercy fail, yet let my presents move,
And dread avenging Phoebus, son of Jove."
The Greeks in shouts their joint assent declare,
The priest to reverence, and release the fair.
Not so Atrides; he, with kingly pride,
Repulsed the sacred sire, and thus replied:
"Hence on thy life, and fly these hostile plains,
Nor ask, presumptuous, what the king detains
Hence, with thy laurel crown, and golden rod,
Nor trust too far those ensigns of thy god.
Mine is thy daughter, priest, and shall remain;
And prayers, and tears, and bribes, shall plead in vain;
Till time shall rifle every youthful grace,
And age dismiss her from my cold embrace,
In daily labours of the loom employ'd,
Or doom'd to deck the bed she once enjoy'd
Hence then; to Argos shall the maid retire,
Far from her native soil and weeping sire."
(cont)
>>8255770
Why would you want to?
>>8255770
try annotating/commenting on the content to see what roles it plays in other parts of the book
try starting with Bible. Grab a copy with footnotes to see what to do
lds copes are swag for this desu they have tens of thousands of footnotes. some will be for weird mormon books but a lot are for just the bible
pic related
>>8255771
a richer experience
>>8255770
If you are a beginner, follow the advice of Schopenhauer
1) Read
2) Reflect on what you're reading
3) Re-Read
Read criticism/analyses by educated folk also, but think your own thoughts first.
Try reading certain passages (or the whole book) out loud. Focus in on parts of interest. Read other sources to understand the context of the work.
>Original beta cuck white-knight
>writes admittedly charming genre fic
>gets famous and still hangs out with a porn star he can't fuck
>Jean-Paul Sartre
>writes shitty philosophy books
>doesn't have half the fame as pic related
>slayed pussy like Saint George slayed dragons
What does this mean?
Delete your retarded thread and fuck off
>>8255757
How does it feel to be a faggot?
>>8255755
What the fuck, sartre was hella famous
What does /lit/ think of Summer's best reads? Will you be "powering down" to read and enjoy a book (or your money back) this summer?
>>8255739
Delillo sticks out like a sore thumb
>>8255758
Right? it's like
>shit
>shit
>shit
>Delillo
>shit
>>8255805
I like DeLillo, but Zero K really isn't that good.
What books are really comfy and mention coffee a lot? I kind of have a "thing" for books like that. On the Road readily comes to mind. What else?
fix your roof, it's raining in
I had a smile because I thought you were talking about the Chekhov story.
You weren't, were you?
![seinfeld-coffee-table-book-regarding-seinfeld-coffee-table-book[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5f3vhGe.jpg "seinfeld-coffee-table-book-regarding-seinfeld-coffee-table-book[1]")
This is a coffee table book with legs so it can become a table, I assume thats what you meant
Hello friends. I'm learning French. What should I read in order to help me learn?
start with contemporary litterature (aka Houellebecq, Aragon, Nouveau roman, etc..) and thenwhen yu think you have a good command of the language, you can begin reading 19th century litterature and so on
Shove a black dick up your ass
>>8255690
>French
>lit
le pick one
Post your work and critique others
please be specific with your hatred
>>8255685
wrote this at 3 am. hit me with all you've got
(1/2)
i swallow and
swallow and
there is no air
in my mouth
no air
at all
i am a cave that is
flooding with
water
and my own sister
is the flood;
she pushes my
head down
until i am face to
face with the
ceramic bottom
of the bathtub
and squeezes my
hair tight in her
fist and i
vomit a little
in the back
of my throat
my vision begins to
colour with faded yellow
and speckled black;
a bee in my face
a bee in my eye
a bee stinging my lips shut and
refusing to let
an aching
gallon of
water outside
leaking through my body
bursting at the seams
where all of my skin
closes and
sews itself up
i swallow and
swallow and kick and
curl and
swallow the infinite
water before me
because i
am in
the ocean and she is
a giant ship
without lifeboats and
i try to
beg but
i am only
talking into the
water
speaking into my
mouth and
yelling at
my teeth
the words
have nowhere to
go but
>>8255767
(2/2)
i could
beg for death;
i could get on my
knees and
lay down in the empty
bathtub and ask her to fill it up
i could ask her to
hold my head down and
never let me up
i could tell her to
call me every
dirty word she can
think of while she slowly
dyes the white water red and
i would tell her to
never let go
even when i close my eyes
and stop struggling
i could
ask her to hold
me underwater by the
throat and scream into my
ears until i bleed
i could turn the faucet and
fill the bathtub
until it is
drowning in itself
until the water is
spilling over the edges
and i would get in and say
please, rosa
please
fill this with your
tears and watch me.
make sure i don't get up
as you drown me and
watch me turn from
white to red to blue
to lifeless
i could beg her for my death
i could ask her
for it
i could ask her
to kill me
she would say yes
she would do it
for me
god knows i would have
done it for her.
Hello /lit/, I come desperately seeking your help. I have been scouring book stores near and far from me for over a month now looking for a book I read in 2005/2006, I believe it was new at that time, and cannot remember the title of. Before I go into the description, I would like to offer a $20 paypal reward for the title of the book OR I will buy two copies of it and send you one so you can see for yourself why I have been searching! So, attached to this post is a crude paint image, you're probably wondering what it is. This is what the world depicted in the book was like, it was split into three plateaus. The story starts on the second (middle), this is where the normal citizens live, the farms are located, etc. The boy in the story lives on this plateau. He wishes to see the top of their world, where the wealthy/privileged live, where the farms send their food to. He makes a quite risqué climb to see the top, somehow the story progresses to him falling down to the third plateau and I believe breaking his leg. (Sorry for the crappy plot description, it has been a lot of years) On the final plateau it is basically uninhabited except for scary things and he has to survive off of a strange gelatin like substance he attains from killing the monster-type animals there. I wish I could remember more. Thanks for reading my post any and all help is appreciated, even pointing me to another forum.
sorry bro i don't know, but try r eddit. shit site obviously but they have an autistic boner for detective missions like this
>>8255689
Ty I will repost there. Still monitoring this post for any others who may know
>>8255689
where should I post on reddit? I've never used the site before
Hi lit, I wanted to share some of my writing.
>>8255649
gr8 b8 m8
r8 8/8
it's bad
>>8255649
Purple prose
what lesser known/discussed works by V Nabokov would you guys recommend? i recently read Mary (Mashenka) and King, Queen, Knave, both in trans. i preferred the former. the latter seemed to be a glorious hit and miss, a spectacular failure. it has actually turned me off to reading the rest of his Russian novels. well, for a brief while. i've already read Lolita, Pnin, and Pale Fire.
>>8255593
can you comment on Pnin?
>>8255613
i can't comment on Pnin with any authority or even insight since it has been nearly a decade since i read it. i was planning to go back to it after a few more of his older works, or maybe latter ones. thinking Speak, Memory and Ada or Ardor next. that is, unless another one catches my fancy.
>>8255593
Laughter in the Dark was ok. Sort of like a less self-involved Lolita.
What are some books that go into themes of being a NEET or social anxiety or just dropping out of society in general. I havent read many books in my life, maybe 5 or 6 so its ok if its entry level. Just read welcome to the NHK and it was pretty realistic and really enjoyed it.
>it was so realistic!
put up a mirror in your room!
>>8255540
No Longer Human by Osamu Dazai
>>8255545
I believe i said "pretty realistic" and i only meant the in the portrail of social anxiety and depression
Is he the worst author of our lifetime?
no honestly he's fine. I read looking for Alaska and it was funny and entertaining.
>>8255424
it's fine young adult fiction or whatever you want to call it but he uses the same formula for each book and they keep turning them into movies and it's garbage
>go to a book store
>Moby-Dick and Gulliver's Travels are under the children's lit label
>>8255385
haha aint that a good thing? some lil bub gunna grab some hungry catapillar and get some melville down his throat
To be fair, most kids read Moby Dick in elementary school.
>>8255385
>this nigger didn't read moby dick in kindergarten
