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This feels equal parts retarded and sincerely inspirational.
What do y'all think?
>jus do it: The Book
>>8258430
basically
>>8258501
>you get cancer if you dont do it: the book
It was quite dumb
Can we get a lyrics thread going? Who's your favourite lyricist? How do you approach lyrics? Do you think due to the medium they're inherently subordinate to the music, or can they be equal to or sometimes above it?
I have a hard time treating lyrics as literature sometimes because I get too carried away by the music. The one huge exception is Joanna Newsom. I own all her albums in physical format so I've gone through every word along with the liner notes, and her words are up there with all of my favourite poets and authors. She writes incredibly intricate and polished lyrics, can be painstakingly anal about form, which I love (especially in her last album Divers), and touches on some fantastic themes (from motherhood and family to time travel and multiverses). She also really engages with big authors such as Joyce and Shelley in a fascinating manner. Her love of Nabokov also shows throughout her work, in the wordplay, sounds (especially alliteration) and complexity.
Here's some examples:
En Gallop
>Never get so attached to a poem you forget truth that lacks lyricism.
Emily
>Come on home, the poppies are all grown knee-deep by now
>Blossoms all have fallen, and the pollen ruins the plow
>Peonies nod in the breeze and while they wetly bow
>With hydrocephalitic listlessness ants mop up-a their brow
>And everything with wings is restless, aimless, drunk and dour
>The butterflies and birds collide at hot, ungodly hours
>And my clay-colored motherlessness rangily reclines
>Come on home, now! All my bones are dolorous with vines
Baby Birch
>There is a blacksmith and there is a shepherd and there is a butcher boy
>And there is a barber who's cutting and cutting away at my only joy
>I saw a rabbit as swift as a knife and as pale as a candlestick
>And I had thought it'd be harder to do but I caught her and skinned her quick, held her there
>Kicking and mewling upended unspooling unsung and blue
>Told her wherever you go little runaway bunny I will find you
>And then she ran
>As they're liable to do
>Be at peace baby, and be gone
>Be at peace baby, and be gone
Sapokanikan
>And the records they left are cryptic at best
>Lost in obsolescence
>The text will not yield, nor x-ray reveal
>With any fluorescence
>Where the hand of the master begins and ends
Time, as a Symptom
>Joy! Again, around–a pause, a sound–a song:
>A way a lone a last a loved a long
>A cave, a grave, a day: arise, ascend
>(Areion, Rharian, go free and graze. Amen.)
>A shore, a tide, unmoored–a sight, abroad:
>A dawn, unmarked, undone, undarked (a god)
>No time. No flock. No chime, no clock. No end
>White star, white ship–Nightjar, transmit: transcend!
>White star, white ship–Nightjar, transmit: transcend!
>White star, white ship–Nightjar, transmit: transcend!
>White star, white ship–Nightjar, transmit: trans-
Pic related. There's a small mistake in the last line but whatever.
every one of your examples sounds pretentious
>>8258385
I really don't know why I'm biting, but
>big words are automatically pretentious
Never change, /lit/.
How about you explain why it's pretentious and provide examples of lyrics that are not pretentious and better? "Pretentious" is such a buzzword... Should never be used in literary criticism unless you actually explain what its pretentions are and how it fails to achieve them. What is Joanna trying to achieve and how is she falling short? Can you point out and explain why every one of my examples is pretentious?
Thanks for the contribution.
This are literally the best lyrik I have ever red
>Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
>red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
>lets me see.
>As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
>drawn beyond the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
>Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
>Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.
>Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
>red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
>lets me see there is so much more
>and beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities.
>As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
>drawn outside the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
>Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition leaving all these opportunities behind.
>Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
>Reaching out to embrace the random. Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.
>I embrace my desire to
>feel the rhythm, to feel connected
>enough to step aside and weep like a widow
>to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
>to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
>to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.
>With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
>between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
>I feel it move across my skin.
>I'm reaching up and reaching out,
>I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
>And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been. >We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
>Spiral out. Keep going, going...
Hello.
I love this man's work. I don't know why, and even though I could find out, I don't think it's that important. His books are just fascinating to me, for whatever reason.
I usually can not sit through literature. The only other author I could sit through was Dostoevsky.
What can I read similar to Kafka?
>>8258366
That's a broad question because Kafka is admired for many reasons, so you probably should figure out why you enjoy his work so much. The last almost century of fiction has been inspired by it directly or tangentially. We could be here all day.
>>8258366
Sopranos was pretty good
Just bought The Complete Short Stories. Is there a particular reading order OP or anyone else would recommend?
What a shitty ending to an otherwise great book.
Where my genre fiction niggers at?
What was the ending meant to tell me? Spoiler warning obviously.
>>8258273
>look mom I said niggers on the internet
>>8258321
>look nigger I said mom on the internet
Relationships are Hell.
I want some books on the monetary system, its history, its current status and its influence in western society.
I want books that provide names of the people involved, books that explain the financial instruments used, how the system can be used and has been used.
I want the literature to be not only popular reads (although I'd appreciate this as well i.e The creature from jekyll island) but also technical books, perhaps from academic circles or close to it.
This is important to understand why the world works out now as it does --> The Synagogue Of Satan Updated, Expanded, And Uncensored - Andrew Carrington Hitchcock
Modernising Money: Why Our Monetary System is Broken and How it Can be Fixed - Andrew Jackson, Ben Dyson
Where Does Money Come From? - Josh Ryan-Collins, Tony Greenham, Richard Werner, Andrew Jackson
Pic related and The Public Bank Solution: From Austerity to Prosperity from the same author.
The Mystery of Banking - Murray N. Rothbard
Good good, what about contemporary events such as Ghadaffi (eqypt), Hussein (Iraq) and Russia.
I'd be interested in how the financial market swept through Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - John Perkins
The New Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - John perkins
The Secret History of the American Empire: The Truth About Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and How to Change the World - John Perkins
Killing the Host: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroy the Global Economy - Michael Hudson
How Much Are You Making on the War, Daddy?: A Quick and Dirty Guide to War Profiteering in the Bush Administration - William D. Hartung
Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex - William D. Hartung
Addicted to War: Why the U.S. Can't Kick Militarism
The Green Book - Muammar Gaddafi
^for context
Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest and Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics - Henry Hazlitt
^basic information about economics
Is existence worthless without love or family? I can't say I really "love" another person, and I despise my parents. I only really live for myself. I don't see the point in living for other people. I feel it's all a matter of perspective. Without the metaphorical strings of love or family, you're free to live how you want, and in my case, alone, and I'm alright with that.
>>8258221
what book is this?
>>8258221
>worthless
>worth
where do you think you are?
>>8258221
How old are you?
From a stirnerist point of view, how should I think of dead people?
Either a dead writer you like or your grandfather you loved. They're no use to you now, so what should you do about your feelings?
Motivational spooks?
(excuse the bluntness)
They are useful, in the sense that they left behind memories and artifacts which can be useful and/or pleasant to you.
is there a writer that expanded more on the concept of spooks? I'm using spooks as a sort of placeholder word for the several facets of existence/society that we're forced to want inherently through the subtle oppression of societal obligation rather than our own volition
Does anyone have journal entries? I'll dump some horseshit I had to do for a class.
barnes & noble
Crowded today
Smells like fresh print, good paper, and coffee
Many people seated, reading
Younger people sitting on the floor
One dark skinned girl sitting with her shoes off against a support pillar
People of all types. Black, white, brown, man, woman, young, and old. All spread out in various sections.
Popular items in the center: hamilton, harry potter, a song of ice and fire, toys
Obscure items to the sides: books on politics, religion, philosophy, and more
Gone to restroom to relieve myself
From in the stall i hear what sounds like three different farting older men with prostate issues
The bathroom stall has a number of scented plastic adornments. It is cleaner than most
As i leave i see a large white uniformed military officer with white hair pissing
As i write his description, he comes out of the restroom and we briefly make eye contact
A woman with her child peruse the children's section
Another woman asks a clerk if she has correctly located the first harry potter book. She has
A black man with an older woman comments on to kill a mockingbird
An old white man with a beard reads a book, sitting by a younger black man reading a graphic novel
I look at my favorite section: philosophy
It appears that atheism has been granted its own subsection within philosophy
Ayn rand is seriously overrepresented
I briefly thumb through a book by slavoj zizek, who i've never read, laugh at his absurd sense of humor, and decide to buy the book
A woman with two children walks with them, holding the hand of the younger, a girl
She is asking her mother why adults are sitting on the floor over and over again
An older woman looks through the magazine rack
Malala yousafzai's autobiography is in the young readers section
I walk to the cafe section and sit alone at a small table
People are more active here. They talk about their days and what they're reading. There are so many people that their conversations interweave and it is difficult to hear what is said
Some people sit alone and read or work on their laptops, as i will be doing shortly
The military man is currently picking up his venti cinnamon milkshake latte
He joins another, smaller man, also in uniform
One man with headphones stares out into the space in front of him intensely
When i was walking around the store typing into my phone, i felt more comfortable
I now feel rather strange sitting in one spot writing about the people around me
A few young women sit together eating rice and vegetables from tupperware containers from home
A young woman in a bright green dress speaks animatedly to an older woman with short hair.
I stand and make my way to the counter
I stand behind a young woman with red hair as she orders her coffee
She has a bad sunburn and a tattoo of an egyptian eye on the back of her neck
She moves forward to the area where the coffee is brought out as i step up to place my order
1/1
>>8258041
A young woman with short brown hair and freckles takes my order: a tall black coffee $2.04
She asks me a question that i don't understand
"What?"
"Oh nevermind. It's black."
"Oh yeah it's black. Is the cream and sugar over there?"
I indicate a small table with cream and sugar
"Yes it's over there. So do you want room?"
"Sorry what? Oh yes I'd like a little bit."
"Okay that's $2.04. Can I have a name?"
"Mitchell"
I hand her three dollars and wait a moment for my change.
"Thank you."
"You too. Have a nice day."
"You too."
I head back to my seat, but my coffee was ready instantly and before i make it to my table, my name is called
As I add cream and sugar, i notice that the older woman with the short hair and striped shirt is giving her younger companion in the green dress advice on how to deal with a dispute among friends
A serious looking young black woman with short hair and headphones intently reads a book entitled "manwhore"
The girls with the tupperware containers talk the loudest. One complains of hip pain. Another complains about her lack of creativity. The others encourage her. They talk about their dislike of yoga, but one defends it.
The young woman who took my order walks over to their table and they call her by name: "Ally."
They invite her to some sort of event.
I open my book and begin reading.
A group of three adults and one teenager sit at a table near me and discuss the youth's recent academic failures and plans for the future.
I head to the counter and pay for my book, fumbling with the new chip card system and complaining about it with the store clerk, a woman in her fifties or sixties.
2/2
>>8258046
Next day
Slower today
Older crowd
Starbucks still crowded
Twangly classical guitar music
Many people seated reading on one side of the store near clearance bins
Slaughterhouse five in clearance
One older bearded man seated in same chair as last time i was here
George eliot books are bright pink and green pastels
So is the beautiful and damned by f scott fitzgerald
Gendered colors seems more readily differentiated by subject matter than by author's gender
Music changed to flute jazz
Having a hard time staying focused: keep looking at books
I hear a child calling out for his father
He responds, "im right behind these shelves"
Many books have moved since i was here last. Vonnegut is running low.
Yousafzi's autobiography has been replaced with "dear dumb diary"
Large young man sheepishly looking through "dreams and divination"
New large section of vinyls
"A little princess" all in pink
"Jurassic Park" inducted to b&n classics
Lots of toys
Pink thomas kinkade disney puzzles
Hidden cameras - panopticon
One small bookcase for social sciences: pinker, zimbardo, no bell hooks
Bookcases in one row in order:
Self-transformation; divination and dreams; supernatural and mystical philosophies; african-american; cultural studies; true crime; social sciences
Cultural studies subsections:
Native american studies; gay fiction, lesbian nonfiction, lesbian fiction; women's studies; true crime; anthropology
Anthropology is by far the smallest section, with women's studies the only one to take up two shelves
Why is true crime butting into anthropology's shelf when it has an entire bookcase next to it?
Why is there no gay nonfiction?
Legos. Girls sets are pink and purple. Guys are black and blue. Lego has a long history of weird gendered stuff. Now they have gone so far as to replace traditional minifigures with princess dolls and ponies. Only in the "girl's" sets
Lots of harry potter hype for the cursed child
The kid from earlier is continually losing his father and calling out to him. Most times his dad doesn't answer.
Starbucks is clearing out now
1/2
>>8258052
I return to my favorite section: philosophy
There are two clearly demarcated sections on the last bookcase:
Atheism/agnosticism; linguistics
Linguistics has many noam chomsky books. Two books by pinker.
Thumbing through a book on critical theory, i spy a number of familiar names: judith butler, jean-paul sarte, slavoj zizek, jurgen habermas, max weber, michel foucault
Many more i dont know
I want to buy the book, but it costs $20 and i don't want to spend the money. I still haven't read the last book i bought here.
I move over to starbucks and order a coffee and a water
The woman behind the counter, an older black woman, informs me that water and cups are self serve items over at the counter.
This has changed since i was here last.
I pick up a copy of the economist and take a seat in the cafe, banging my head against an ill placed wooden crown moulding as i do so
I wince in pain, clutching my head, and nobody notices.
In my delirium, i overhear a girl telling her friend about her boyfriend. She says she needs to change the way he dresses. She says she's often guilty of projecting her problems onto others. They speak about whether or not he's likely to go bald.
I see a young couple, a black girl and an asian guy who I had seen earlier, looking through a stack of books.
Earlier, the asian guy had said that he didn't want to dive in, as he already had too many unread books at home. It seems he reconsidered.
Everyone is conforming to an atmosphere of intellectualism. Myself especially.
I notice that the economist costs $7.99. On the cover is a picture of the robot from fritz lang's metropolis
The asian guy boasts to his companion about the quality of the book he is reading.
She shushes him, as she has it at home and has only read the first chapter.
I read a few pages of an economist special report on artificial intelligence. When i look up, the cafe is full of people.
After finishing it, thoroughly freaked out, i search for and grab nick bostram's "superintelligence" in order to purchase it.
I cannot resist the extreme scintillating cultural pressure. I must buy books. All of the books. Shut up and take my money.
2/2
any books that might help me understand the art of this last century? I really don't understand anything after the pre-Raphaelites.
Art Since 1900 v.1 and 2 by Hal Foster.
Ulysses
is there really anything to understand?
Can we agree that all criticism of Nietzsche is simply a misunderstanding of him?
Can we also agree no one has ever rebutted Nietzsche's glorious praise of Islam?
>Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!… The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won…. The German noble, always the “Swiss guard” of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church—but well paid…. Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious…. Christianity, alcohol—the two great means of corruption
>>8257834
no, leave
>The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down
Why would he say that? He was the biggest Greekaboo there was...
Can we all agree that neitzches' philosophy boils down that life would be extremely painful 4 U unless you're a big guy?
"And now we should not conceal from ourselves what lies hidden in the womb of this Socratic culture! An optimism that thinks itself all powerful! Well, people should not be surprised when the fruits of this optimism ripen, when a society that has been thoroughly leavened with this kind of culture, right down to the lowest levels, gradually trembles with an extravagant turmoil of desires, when the belief in earthly happiness for everyone, when faith in the possibility of such a universal knowledge culture
gradually changes into the threatening demand for such an Alexandrian earthly happiness, into the plea for a Euripidean deus ex machina!
People should take note: Alexandrian culture requires a slave class in order to be able to exist over time, but with its optimistic view of existence, it denies the necessity for such a class and thus, when the effect of its beautiful words of seduction and reassurance about the “dignity of human beings” and the “dignity of work” has worn off, it gradually moves towards a horrific destruction. There is nothing more
frightening than a barbarian slave class which has learned to think of its existence as an injustice and is preparing to take revenge, not only for itself, but for all generations."
Is Nietzsche right?
Obviously yes.
Nietzsche was right about everything.
What does the quotation mean?
>>8258657
He wasn't right about Darwinism.
definition of flash in the pan
Did something happen? What's the context?
Been looking around for some nice boards to rp and write on. I been poking around litphoria but it seems..furry.
>>8257774
Faggot.
Thought you typed "write cp" there and I didn't even question it.
>>8257774
>god tier
>roleplay
pick only one of these things
Which order should I read them in
intelligent investor is fairly trash unless you're going to actually become a financial estate planner on wall street.
Did you mean: What order should I bin them in?
trash them all
I don't mean concepts conveyed through fiction like Orwellian ideas, but the lore of fiction like greek mythology or a superhero universe.
this thread sucks
Worthless than what?
>>8257694
its a seriuos question ive been pondering, your mean words are unappreciated in this family friendly zone :^(
