Why did God sacrifice his one and only son?
Maybe he lied.
>>6320710
Does Jesus have daddy issues?
because fuck the police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUGMM1OrX-Q
Reading the Manifisto now, I have a few questions.
Why does Marx assume the Proletariat can run anything by themselves? Assuming they do kill all the bourgeoisie, won't they have simply replaced them as a new leisure class? Does he seriously think they'll just keep happily working at their factories and producing goods for nobody now that they own the means of production? The only reason those factories existed in the first place is because the bourgeoisie told them to build them.
Factories and farms produce surplus, surplus leads to exploitation. Resources are either going to go to waste, or will be distributed to a portion of the population which does not work.
It sounds a lot like the "Buying your own brass cannon and going into the brass cannon polishing business for yourself." problem.
>>6316414
>Manifisto
>>6316414
>Why does Marx assume the Proletariat can run anything by themselves?
Because they can
>Assuming they do kill all the bourgeoisie, won't they have simply replaced them as a new leisure class?
And?
>Does he seriously think they'll just keep happily working at their factories and producing goods for nobody now that they own the means of production?
People still work at Cooperatives in manufacturing and such now so yes, also most Marxists believe that Socialism will change the economic system so that we don't really need most labour and most will be replaced as fast as possible by machinery where now you still need a wage class for the system to work. Under Socialism there would be no problem abolishing 90% of labour
>The only reason those factories existed in the first place is because the bourgeoisie told them to build them
And the reason they will exist under Socialism is to provide people with a decent standard of life. Socialism is a pro-technology movement.
>Resources are either going to go to waste, or will be distributed to a portion of the population which does not work.
Why? and what's the problem there? It's important to note that Marxism hopes to build a far less materialist culture, since Capitalism is predicated on a culture of extreme consumption. Most people would still do some work under Marxism, but it is hoped that working hours on shit like maintenance and such are cut vastly cut down while people have free time to do work on things they actually want to do.
>>6316414
>Reading the Manifisto now, I have a few questions.
Yeah you fucked up.
You should have done Theses on Feuerbach, Critique of the Gotha Programme, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific first.
>Why does Marx assume the Proletariat can run anything by themselves?
Because he paid attention to French workers collectives in the 1820s in his reading, and knew immediately of the capacity of peasants to run their own Mir via readings from Russian society.
>Assuming they do kill all the bourgeoisie, won't they have simply replaced them as a new leisure class?
You do realise we don't need to "kill" them.
Here's a question: as the proletariat attains the power to repress or transform all previous classes (not just the bourgeoisie), why are they going to stop engaging in their economic relationship? How does the class that feeds all, clothes all, houses all and services all suddenly going to become a leisure class? The proletariat is far less differentiated than other classes—the chance of significant internal divisions amongst a revolutionary proletariat are lessened for this reason. Look at how "inexpensive" the Soviet ruling class were forced to be by the Soviet working class; or how "inexpensive" labour fakirs are compared to the bourgeoisie.
>Does he seriously think they'll just keep happily working at their factories and producing goods for nobody now that they own the means of production?
The Marx of Manifesto believes this in part, but also believes that the means of production themselves will be transformed. Later Marx starts to approach the idea that the abolition of value itself is important and that work itself will be abolished as such, requiring a deeper faster transformation of what it is to do things in large groups to get shit done—like changing the factories to be places of freedom instead of slavery.
>The only reason those factories existed in the first place is because the bourgeoisie told them to build them.
I like the way you impute material change to the mere command, not the enacting. Have you ever "thought" a shit into being?
>Factories and farms produce surplus, surplus leads to exploitation.
This is why you should have started as above, then moved onto Wages Price and Profit and Contribution to a Critique. The proletariat, unlike all previous classes, has a purely negative relationship to ownership—there is no property form in which the proletariat experiences surplus, we simply want to get rid of it.
Leisure and pleasure are indistinguishable when you control your own exertion in collectivity.
I'm about to give a presentation -- about the use of the Irish Gaelic language in Finnegans Wake and its indirect impact on modern English literature -- to a bunch of uninterested college freshmen, to whom the words "Joyce and Beckett" sound like a brand of clothing. I had to memorize about two pages of Finnegans Wake for the presentation (opening of Chapter 1, and part of the Anna Livia chapter), and I will be autistically reciting them in a light irish brogue.
Presentation is in 20 minutes. Wish me luck!
You're doing the lord's work
> to a bunch of uninterested college freshmen, to whom the words "Joyce and Beckett" sound like a brand of clothing.
you could open with that. "Joyce and Beckett - that probably sounds like a brand of clothing to you, blah blah"
anyways, good luck trooper
`dont put on an irish accent unless you are actually irish for fucks sake
you want these kids to remember you as the boring guy or the guy who put on a jamaican accent when reading out Joyce for no reason?
>read stirner and accept his individualism
>see spooky arguments constantly
>begin pointing out the spooks in people's arguments
>invariably, people respond to an attack on their spooks by browbeating/suppressing the argument outside of logic
>realize all equality in itself is an incoherent idea, realize leftist politics are selfish egoism at their core
>suddenly realize that rightists, while being retarded themselves, have a few very astute criticisms of the left
>realize that the only appropriate political stance is selfishness
>mfw it all makes sense now
Fuck guys, Stirner has ruined my ability to have any friends who are dogmatists.
Also Stirner/radical individualist thread.
>equality-in-itself
toplel, worst argument ever.
where my egoist bros @?
>>6293477
what's up dude
>>6293477
i'm chilling out in miami on google street view down by the florida atlantic university stadium now haven't seen many girls yet about to head down to the beach and get some rays B-)
What are the best novels and non-fiction books about the french revolution?
L'ancien régime et la révolution by tocqueville
A Tale of Two Cities
are there any epic fantasy/scifi series that don't suck dick?
pick unrelated, just finished book 3 and put it down. fuck robert jordan.
>>6234364
Well, it's not exactly epic but I guess the Night Lords series by Dembski-Bowden is pretty cool. The Soul Drinker series is more conventionally epic, albeit falling a bit short on writing. Now, they aren't the best thing ever to be written, but if you like the genre (and are game for some pulpy, grimdark writing) you can give them a go.
>>6234364
I began the 4th book, and but dropped it after an hour or so.
Fuck the Waste of Time. Even if it gets good, no book should take SEVEN fucking books to do so. That's how long I've heard it takes, and there's, what, FOURTEEN total?
Anyway OP, Book of the New Sun is bretty gud. The writing is actually interesting, and there's more to it than just "I wanted badly to take off my boots and rest, and to have a warm mean"
Give me your email and I'll send you something.
How's it going so far? I'm trying to focus on more longer books, read 100 in 2014.
>>6276327
>everything by HP Lovecraft
I like him, but why would you want to do that?.
American Psycho
Molloy
Malone Dies
The Unnameable
The Heart is a Lonely Hunter
The Member of the Wedding
Ballad of the Sad Cafe & Other Stories
Billy Budd
Intruder in the Dust
The Big Sleep
Dead Souls
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Typee
White Teeth
The Hours
A Tale of Two Cities
Lady Chatterley's Lover
The Wild Palms
The Way We Live Now
Between the Acts
The Confidence Man
The Reivers
>>6276332
I know, many of the stories were kind of crap, but the best ones are good. I used to be a big fan some years ago, so I wanted to see if he still holds up (kind of didn't).
>My name shall be never forgotten. The people shall read and recite my words. Throughout all ages, if poets have vision to prophesy truth, I shall continue to live in my fame. -- Kanye West
Do you think there's some truth in his words or he's just being delusional?
>>6283059
why are you posting rhetorical questions?
>>6283059
This isn't /lit/.
But that man is an egoistical untallented idiot with shit songs.
>>6283059
He is deluded.
He's a terrible musician, and even worse poet.
Did it blow you away?
the youtube celeb world is scary
this is first year creative writing class tier
>lol enter MY world
>im pretty weriiddrrd!!1!! lol
>man do I have PROBLEMS HA hahaahh
>>6279663
It annoys me that americans can get drugs so easily from their doctor. I go to mine and try to get adderall and vicodin and percocet and diazepam and all those good things, and then I get sent away with some Viagra and a flea in my ear.
Fucking shit I call it.
What does /lit/ think of Slavoj Žižek?
I'm tired of reading old ass philosophers from the 19th century and want to into someone alive today.
>>6266507
Go watch his EGS lectures, always EGS with contemporary philosophy.
>>6266507
>inb4 memeposts that try to mimic Zizek's idiosyncrasies
>inb4 one sentence Nietzscheesque "summaries" of Zizek
>inb4 that one /pol/tard says dumb shit and is ignored by everyone but one baiter who argue for 20 posts
>posters complain that nobody "gets" Zizek and try to seriously argue his views but offer nothing that matters
You already know how this thread will go
just read badiou
ITT we discuss non-fiction books we're reading or have read - this can include philosophy i guess.
I'm gonna start with this one that i recently purchased, and it's probably one of the most depressing books i've read. It just reminds you that all of our motivation in life revolves around satisfying the most primitive part of our brain - the limbic system.
We're all essentially just drug fiends without being aware of it.
Without these chemicals being bombarded throughout our neural pathways in order for us to chase whatever the fuck we make out as an ideal - we would not exist. The only reason a scientist endeavors to cure whatever illness or invent whatever new technology - is all in order to feel a steady rush of serotonin that arises once he's reached a point where he's comfortable with his status within society, to feel accepted, respected.
Whats the difference between that scientist and a junkie on the street chasing the next dose of heroin to shoot up his cock?
The scientists reward is a more steady, long lasting drug release, whereas the heroin lasts for a shorter period of time, but while it does; it's so much better than the steady flow of serotonin.
Depressing right? Life has no meaning.
There is absolutely nothing depressing about life having no meaning. That simply means we can give life whatever meaning we want.
>all phenomenal experience is chemical interaction
fuck off moron
take your popcult book with you
>>6256915
But it is, and because this book isn't some technical, detailed textbook, doesn't mean it's invalid. It gives you a decent overview of how the brain works.
The only reason you're against 'pop'this or that is because of a deeply routed neural pathway that immediately activates in your brain because it's such a common consensus on the internet.
'The supposed smart people say that pop-science books are dumb and plebeian, therefore i'm going to adapt that view to make me look smart!'
See, i learned something. Go take your pills and up your serotonin because clearly you're quite the miserable creature.
I wrote and published this piece of shit book in less than 1 hour. It is riddled with mistakes, grammar problems, and it's like 10 pages long. Yet somehow it (along with other shitty self pubbed books) has made me decent money. This is the state of the world folks. This is the future of literature right here. Fuck your Tolstoys and Moby Dicks, Leprechaun's getting they dicks sucked is /lit/
AMA
>>6244574
Roughly how much money have you made so far from the book, and how long has it been since 'publication'?
>>6244617
From just this one ~1k which is about 500 books sold since May. Not a lot but I wrote it in 1 hour and never advertised it.
It's time.
>>6223121
>>/lit/
>>6223129
>Zizek and Zeno of Citium
Should of put Alain Badiou you silly fucker
It begins
Can we get another art thread going?
The stuff posted in those is usually pretty nice.
I'll post some of what I have saved.
>>6174662
>>6174675
What's so great about him?
He invented modern linguistics
He has asperger's you know? There are many fundamentals that Chomsky doesn't understand in regards to society, politics, economics and history.
Mainly, the difference between social democrats and classical liberals when it comes to elites.
Here is a video on David Horowitz's book, The Anti-Chomsky Reader:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1tCXDvK7U
>>6159354
thanks Horowitz
