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So lit, i just finished the brothers karamasow and completly loved it! I have already read the other books by dostojevsky (except the idoit), but my question is were do i continue from here?
Can you recommend me authors or books that are as immersive and philosophical.
>>8288292
Tolstoy, Shakespeare, Cervantes
I may get shit for this, but I like Kazantzakis in a similar way.
>>8288292
How the fuck did you enjoy this book? I'm like 1/3rd through it and have to force myself to keep going.
>>8288305
Why would you get shit for that? What's his reputation?
I have most of his books in Greek but haven't got around to reading them yet.
hey /lit/,
how many rejection letters have you gotten so far? I've gotten eight so far. At least the letters are getting more personalized. One was even from an editor who told me which of my poems he liked. One letter said my language was beautiful but comes off as pretentious without a story to back it up.
Been popping oxycodone and drinking nyquil, so I expect I'm depressed, but I've been compiling my poems again to resend to other magazines.
How do you deal with rejection?
People still writes poems in 2016? And worse, there are people who reads poem made in 2016? Damn.
>>8288153
At least you've mustered the courage to send your shit in rather than leaving it rotting in an infinitely expanding "needs-more-editing" pile.
>>8288162
Yeah, but my classmate (who I attended poetry class with) already had a poem submitted in our university's magazine for undergraduates. I got nothing to my name despite praise from my professors who forget me after a semester.
>>8288154
yeah?
what is your experience with faulkner?
which book did you start with and in what order did you read from there?
I'm reading As I Lay Dying, which is the first I've read by him and I'm definitely enjoying it even though I struggled at first with the Southern setting that I feel like I've over-read. But instead of simply an exposition of certain themes relating to the region like poverty, racism, Southern culture, etc. the narrative unfolds through the character's experiences relating to their environment with reference to upbringing and the endemic values and virtues of the area. I've read just over half of the book and I'm finding it quite easy to get through though still managing to have some pretty complex and amazing prose. What are your thoughts on the book?
My first three Faulkner books were As I Lay Dying, The Sound and the Fury, and Absalom, Absalom. It got me hooked on Faulkner for life, and now I've read damn near everything he wrote. I don't think anything surpasses Absalom for me though.
>>8288149
Agree, Absalom is his best but do not read it first.
>>8288129
i had an all faulkner class with one of the best professors at georgetown who had taught the course for twenty years. it was pretty legendary, but i still think he's just okay and i dont really plan to re-read any of his stuff.
The saddest part of /lit/;
It is a vessel of free speech, and that speech is poisoned. What could be accomplished if the lesser minds were outcast?
How do we save a place with true potential for enlightenment of man, from the denigration the soul by idiocy and memes?
>>8288102
There's one thing and one thing only that the mods could do to immensely improve the board, instantly, overnight, and that's facilitate more threads about David Foster Wallace. Create them, nurture the ones that exist, guide the discussions, and make sure they stay on track. If we're here to discuss literature, ultimately, we are here to discuss David Foster Wallace. There is no way for a person to grasp the full implications of Infinite Jest and not realize this. We're talking about the smartest man who ever lived. You must realize this. It's not a joke anymore. We're seeing the world degenerate further and further into chaos, and we're standing by and watching it happen. You want to fix this board? You want to fix the world? You want to fix your life? You need only take one step: read Infinite Jest. There is no substitute for hard work, and that's what Wallace requires of you if you are to understand him. If you are to understand not just him, but the world. We're not talking about escapist literature, fan fiction, genre nonsense. We're talking about saving our lives. We're talking about meditating on God. We're talking about communing with the primary presence. This is not an issue to be treated lightly.
>>8288102
you could start by leaving, and never coming back
>>8288102
We need to make the following required reading before you're allowed to post:
>The Greeks
>My Diary
desu
What the fuck is the point of reading this when Pynchon just makes three obscure pop culture references every page that I don't understand since I'm too young
Maybe I should stick to more straight forward books like Hemingway
you're fucking stupid
>What the fuck is the point of reading this when Pynchon just makes three obscure pop culture references every page that I don't understand since I'm too young
i'm guessing you didn't even try reading it. only /lit/ would give this impression of gravity's rainbow. or, maybe you're just too thick to understand the book and are trying to blame it on an abundance of references.
any way you look at it you're a fuckin mong who wouldn't be able to appreciate hemingway either
conclusion: stop shitting up my board
>>8288107
Early on in the book, he goes on an extended metaphor about an adenoid, which is a reference to a Chaplin movie. There are plenty of other references to historical people and the like that I simply do not understand, perhaps because I am not American
>reading reviews of this on Amazon
>it's recommended that you buy a SEPARATE book and read that first, as it explains all of the references
What's the literary equivalent of this?
>>8288010
Finnegan's wake
my diary t b h
>>8288015
>Finnegan's
>'s
Thomas Pynchon is now the author of your favorite novel. What changes?
It becomes an unreadable piece of garbage.
Nothing
I don't know. I haven't read Thomas Pynchon
>6050 word essay due monday
>can't stop reading Nietzsche
>8 hours of sleep due tomorrow morning
>can't stop checking the threads
>Nothing due any day
>Can't stop being stressed and feeling like I'm under pressure
>no friends
>no family
>no gf
>poor
>dumb
>ugly
>fat
>bad eyesight, bad hearing, bad balance
>dying within 60 years
>never going to contribute to humanity
>wondering if I should kill myself and get it over with
>just kidding about the suicide
Jesus Christ. Why are Rene Guénon and Evola such windbags?
They aren't even trying to be poetic, they just draw out their damn points for pages.
I could sum up the entirity of The Reign of Quantity, look
"By Quality and Quantity, I basically mean immaterial and material. Modern society, with it's Scientism and Social Progressivism has put such an amount of emphasis on the material that it's almost the apocalypse. We need to focus on Metaphysical Concepts nao."
I would understand if they were trying to be poetic. I would understand if they're trying to tell a story along with it. But they're just drawing out their sentences like a lazy college student trying to write an essay.
>>8287798
Hehe. Just another leftist unable to comprehend the word of the redpill.
>>8287800
simply ebin
>>8287798
>i have no imagination
What's your opinion on Haruki Murakami?
>>8287765
This man, in my country, he is nothing
hes a qt
His books aren't as bad as their reputation on /lit/
There still not that great, don't get me wrong.
How are some good poems that depict violence in stark and interesting ways?
I've already read Homer and Ovid
Sir Gawain and the Greentexter.
Some books of the Bible too (e.g. the Book of Job, the Psalms, the book of Lamentations, etc).
First World War poetry.
The Aeneid.
The Faerie Queene.
>>8287261
thanks! will check out the faerie queen
>>8287206
Leda and the Swan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4CJ7h3mX4Q
does this meme board actually hate pic related for e cred?
I havent read a single thing from him besides the sunset quote but I find his interviews and the such pretty soothing background noise
>>8286617
You know, reddit is probably more your speed.
>>8286621
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the smartest guy around?! Oh my God.
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little elitist reply up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The "epic" Greek guy, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about a how intellectual he is because of what he reads. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic liberal arts NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "START WITH THE GREEKS START WITH THE GREEKS" You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.
>>8286634
Start with the greeks.
Serious Question. How much of a factor is talent in determining how good of a writer someone can be? Is writing something that can be mastered by everyone, or are some people naturally predispositioned to be amazing writers?
Talent will always be a thing. But discipline can get you far.
>>8286116
People tell me I have talent all the time, but my writing is still bad. If I wrote a book that had a phenomenal plot, every reader above the age of 16 would put it down for bad prose. How can I improve? How can I get to the level where I can express my thoughts beautifully and create art on a page? Taking classes are not an option as of right now, but I have all the free time in the world and all the motivation, I just need a direction to go in
>>8287551
Some general advice: read more, watch more, learn more, experience more, and write more. I empathize with you, but you have to realize that it's a long, steady process and real success only comes if you play the long game.
I want to detach myself mentally from the shackles that are human nature. I think if one is able to intellectually make sense of it all, their conscious may overcome their subconscious.
It is untenable that humans are conscious organisms ingrained with the biological imperative of having to spread their genes and continue their tribe (in-group, or faction or whatever) the same way all organisms on this planet function. Of course, complex psychological factors come into play and translate these otherwise basic concepts into complex, and sometimes, misguided manifestations. A 'normal' model for the biological human would be to have as many children as possible in an environment that fosters them until they themselves are capable of simulating the organismic process of genetic and tribal perpetuation themselves, adulthood. Human psychology, as incurred by the various environmental factors that afflict various parts of the world and different sorts of people differently, has resulted in some people wanting one child, while others, having several, and for different, partially incorrect reasons. Some tribes (another problem, as I'll mention later, is the coherency of the idea of the 'tribe), such as the People's Republic of China, has collectively decided the best way to perpetuate their tribal existence is through limiting the amount of offspring any given mating couple could have (the former one child policy, now two child policy). Some tribes have their alpha members recognise problems of their tribal perpetuation's method - India and its' highest level of politicians recognising the problem that is their uncontrollable population.
I believe the reason nihilists and antinatalists often seem so unhealthy and are susceptible to a change of mind is because they have not truly extinguished their tribal warrior spirit or their organismic incentive to spread genes. I want to purge these primordial feelings out of me
The problem that arises is firstly, the coherency of the idea of a tribe. The proverbial 'tribe' that psychologists so often use consists of an easily identifiable group of people with the easily discernible mutual interest of their perpetuation. The 'modern' tribe is up to the tribesman's interpretation - some consider 'nations' their tribes, some don't extend tribal status beyond their family, some are in a venn diagram of many tribes of varying precedents in priority. The problem I see with some tribal identifications is that they're patently wrong and the 'tribesmen' themselves know it, which in turn causes cognitive dissonance and inhibition from performing properly in society. Such examples of misdesignations can include excessive dogma towards a certain political ideology (notice how all diehard anarcho-capitalists are never actually financially successful), towards an ethnic group (whites; for example
>>8285295
- there is no 'white' tribe because there are many competing political (tribal) factions that are white, and it is also historically so. There is no 'white' tribal leader. Some white 'tribesmen' see others as the nemesis - white Americans and white Russians. The other problem is all of these people all have different associations and different ideas - varying to such extreme extents 'micro-tribes' are found as to how issues should be addressed. The English and Scottish loathed each other only a few hundred years ago; some would not be able to comprehend the fact their tribes 'merged (federalised)'). Modern allies that are seemingly tied by cultural heritage were heads against each other not so long ago. The idea of a 'Chinese' state only came when too many opposing tribes came in - before, the idea of 'China' was just 'all that was under heaven', and China would fall into many tribes - kingdoms with people that had no scruples about murdering, raping and torturing that of other kingdoms; yet now most provinces want to 'make China great again' - but what if China dissolves into something larger, or balkanises into many tribes in future? Is it biologically coherent for a Chinese man to think that he is 'perpetuating his tribe' if his descendants will be in many tribes that are varying from one another and have no relation to the idea that is 'China'?
Also, I'm not making this post because I hate children or hate nationalism or whatever. Quite frankly the opposite. I both love (and want) children, and I'm nationalist and an ethnonationalist, but I realise the incoherency and redundancy ultimately of all these inclinations and partisanships
>>8285295
Kys
Or go to a Buddhist temple.
>>8285295
I would die if the person in that picture was a guy.
Why would anyone take advice from s.o. who killed himself seriously? Isn't that pretty much the definition of failure at life?
>definition of failure at life
>life
life means nothing in long run, most people with """"full"""" and """"successful""" lives dont write masterpieces and they are soon forgotten even by their own children, while authors eternal fame lasts forever and ever
Everyone dies so I guess everyone fails at life. Suicides just control when and where.
Killing oneself is the ultimate form of book promotion.
