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Hey /lit/ first time poster here. Recently my girlfriend and I got into a fight when I mentioned that feminism was stupid and she went crazy and threatened to tell my parents that I was hitting her after it got pretty heated. After a couple days I settled down and understood that I probably don't know that much about feminism and I promised that I would do some research on the issue.
I had a look at the book catalog but there wasn't anything there so I need some books to read, thanks.
>>8012544
>expecting us to believe you have a gf
>>8012544
personally i would break up with a person who blackmailed me over a feminism dispute
>threatened to tell my parents that I was hitting her
This is all you need to know about feminism. Tell your girlfriend to shove it.
Can someone provide me with some secondary literature dealing with Nietzsche's perception of evil? I'm especially interested on why he prefers abandoning the concept of good and evil for good instead of actually reflecting on the possibility for a radical evil (as an entity) to exist within the world and human nature, and the implicatons of this point of view
>>8012466
>okay guys, instead of recognizing that there are serious flaws in the idea of separating things into good and evil things, let's just double-down on it instead. We'll call it radical.
I wonder...
>>8012472
not personally saying that there are no serious flaws in that idea, but it has been a central idea in philosophy for a great many centuries, and some great philosophy (especially kant) has materialized around that whole dichotomy. Just wondering about Nietzsches argument as to why that is a stupid and useless dichotomy, and what those arguments apply for morality and society
>>8012466
The long and the short of it: Good and evil are just perceptions. There is no such thing as a moral action, only a moral perception of an action. Circumstance and tradition can make even some of the most evil acts acceptable.
For example in Britain there was a case where a bunch of stranded sailors ended up eating a cabinboy which gave them the strength to survive until they were rescued. The courts determined that anyone would have done what they did in their situation, but sentenced them to hang anyways because they ought not to have done it. There was a public outcry over the obvious absurdity of the sentence and it was commuted. Murder (technically, the boy was in a semi-comatose state when they killed him) and cannibalism became in the public perception a morally acceptable act, in part because the men told the truth about it and were quite clearly ashamed.
And of course cannibalism is an acceptable action in other societies. Had Europe developed under different conditions or circumstances cannibalism might have been ethical or even mandatory, as it is among some of the indigenous peoples of the Amazon who viewed the western practice of burying corpses barbaric compared to eating the flesh of their dead kin.
He rejects offhand then that there could be an evil entity. Nietzsche is much more about becoming than being and as such if evil actions do not exist, evil beings do not. We can judge them as such but since we are all wrapped up in our perceptions and how our bodies and cultures shape them, no human could actually identify abject evil even if it were to exist.
How can I, with my crushingly high IQ, and as someone who has fully grasped the implications of the Munchhausen trilemma and has therefore gained the super power / disability of being able to break down everything in to the sum of its spooks, possibly care about working hard or being motivated with regard to anything at all?
>>8012461
Protip: you can't.
>>8012461
>Munchhausen trilemma
I stumbled onto that realization when I was a kid, didn't even have a name for it.
I think you're over-estimating yourself OP.
>>8012461
How about you use your high IQ to figure out what the consequences not doing anything will have for your life?
Ryokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing to steal.
Ryokan returned and caught him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift."
The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.
Ryoken sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, "I wish I could have given him this beautiful moon."
>What is your interpretation of this Koan?
>What can we learn from it?
Its almost self explanatory
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>>8012389
>Ryokan, a Zen master
>Ryokan returned
>Ryoken sat naked
so, ryokan or ryoken?
also i know the only ryoken and it's pic related
>>8012389
Are you reading Zen Flesh Zen Bones, OP? Great stuff.
What if google died? What impact would it have on literature as a medium?
What do you think?
>>8012365
zero
google has existed only since 1998
literature existed before that
It's so much summer in here that y'all even have your diving masks
Does anyone here read Svetlana Alexievich? What are your thoughts? Did she deserve the Nobel Prize for Literature?
>>8012307
i guess she deserved it better than malala deserved her nobel peace prize but it doesn't say much
She doesn't even write her own books.
You don't even read the books you own, who are you to talk?
How do I get into reading?
I don't read much but I would like to make it as a hobby.
>Pic Unrelated
Any tips?
why tho
>>8012278
Why not
>>8012273
became an avid reader like fifteen months ago and I can't stop. I stopped watching tv and I don't spend much time spamming my message on 4chan anymore.
Here's how I did it.
-Remember the average person reads like zero books a year. If you read 5 pages a day, you are 5 pages above the average person
-Don't force yourself to read. Commit to read 5 pages a day. I swear after three days you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a day for pleasure
-Read various books at the same time. When I grab a difficult book or one that makes me sleepy I grab another and switch. This should refresh your head. Keep them thematically different. I read economics and fiction.
-It isn't a race. Reading slowly won't make you sleepy that fast. Try to acknowledge what books are for you to read fast and which aren't.
-Buy the physical copies. When you get the books from your own money you'll feel the need to read them to avoid the feel of wasting your money.
-Start with books highly discussed here so you feel motivated to discuss.
Hello buddies, my danish is getting rusty and I want to improve it by reading more. Could you recommend me some danish writers or books? Preferably something "classically danish" since I know very little about danish literature.
>>8012265
Is game of thrones in danish? It might actually be useful since it will talk about things that might be useful or something man
Who cares about Danish?
Weed and the influence it has on literature over the years that have transpired?
Thomas Pynchon
>>8012254
Smoking Dope with Thomas Pynchon: A Sixties Memoir
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by Andrew Gordon
[This article appeared in The Vineland Papers: Critical Takes on Pynchon's Novel, ed. Geoffrey GrDUDEeen, Donald J. Greiner, and Larry McCaffery (Normal, IL: Dalkey Archive Press, 1994): 167-78.]
This is a story aboWEEDut the sixties: it's about me and some friends of mine, it's about Berkeley, and it's about Pynchon. It's about a decade in which we were all young together and thought we would stay young forever. Berkeley was our Vineland, a dream of a perfect new world. The time was ripe, America was ours, and we were going to change the world: Paradise Now or ApocalyLMAOpse Now.
Neither one happened. As the decades pass, is anything left of that refuge, that Vineland, apart from memory and isolated dreams? Where are the sixties now? Where are we? And where is Thomas Pynchon?
We are stardust, we are golden,
We are billion-year-old carbon,
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden.
(Joni Mitchell, "Woodstock")
Ultimately, I suppose this story is all about me. Everything you write always is, disguise it as you may. I don't know what I can tell you about Thomas Pynchon, but I can tell you something about myself, about the impact that the sixties and Berkeley and Pynchon had on me. Vineland looks back on the late sixties, and I'm going to look back on 1964-67, from ages 19 to 22, when I was first going out into the world on my own and when my life became enmeshed with the fictions of Thomas Pynchon. I want to trace some of the parallels between life and fiction.
According to his friend Jules Siegel, when Pynchon lived in Mexico in the sixties, "The Mexicans laughed at his mustache and called him Pancho Villa." There's a hoary old joke whose punchline goes, "Did I know Pancho Villa? Hombre, we had lunch together!" Mine goes, "Did I know Thomas Pynchon? Man, we smoked dope together!" Except it's no joke; it really happened.
I often feel that way about the nineteen sixties in America: they were no joke, they really happened to us, and they happened to me, although in retrospect they boggle the imagination and seem too incredible to be real. The truth of the sixties is stranger than fiction. As Philip Roth wrote about the period, "is it possible? is it happening?" ("Writing American Fiction" 121). That's why the sixties have so rarely been captured well in American fiction, except by a few authors such as Pynchon: if somebody told you the history of the decade as a story, you wouldn't believe it. You'd wonder: Is this for real? Is this some kind of joke? Is it supposed to be farce or tragedy? You wouldn't know how to feel, to laugh or to cry.
And although I met Thomas Pynchon one evening in Berkeley in June of 1967, I cannot say I really know him. He remains for me a figure as mysterious and ungraspable as Pancho Villa, a dope-smoking guerilla warrior of the imagination, disappearing into his Mexican desert.
>>8012254
any others? is it true shakespear sniffed some of the old snuff snuff
Can humans fly?
Or do we just exist within another object that is flying in that moment of time.
Literature on this topic?
>>8012210
Do I get bump or does the bump get me?
>>8012210
I am curious as well.
>>8012210
What the fuck are you talking about
Maybe it's because I've been reading primarily modernist work lately, but I'm at the fifth chapter and it hasn't really had a substantial impact on me.
So far everything feels quite shallow but may it's just me.
Pynchon disowned it for a reason.
yeah it's not for everyone but i love it
definetely not a 'substantial' kinda book, it's just early pynchon (V/GR) distilled into a short short novella
>>8012209
Definitely not knocking the book, it flows well and I found the second chapter to be excellently crafted. I've never read any other Pynchon, but is this a good encapsulation of his body of work? Was hoping for something stronger in theme and character.
Why isn't /lit/ celebrating Pincecone's birthday?
Dont read the news much do you
>>8012166
What
>>8012176
He is dead.
How do you stop the feeling of self-loathing when you write anything?
what i do is i don't hate myself
>>8012163
sounds hard
kill self
ITT: we post final frontier authors and discuss their merits
you first
>>8012043
yes, that is correct, i did go first.
What is final frontoer
Your opinion about Foucault?
>>8012006
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
>>8012006
Nobody deserved AIDS more than this pseud.
>>8012006
Out of all the Pseuds (Sartre, Camus, Rawls, etc.) I like him the most.
