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How often do you think Shakespeare had to rewrite something because he couldn't think of a rhyme that fit?
>>8017645
Dunno.
>>8017648
/lit/, everyone
I like to imagine that he didn't have to put any effort into writing and everything he ever wrote was a first draft
>page 366 of IJ
>pic related
Is this common? Should I soldier on or does it only get worse from here? The previous chapter wherethey played Eschatonwas fucking amazing, butJoelle being a smarty-pants bitch at the AA meetingmade me literally physically drop it out of disgust
the middle starts to drag, but it'll pick back up. how incredible is that eschaton chapter though?
>>8017632
wew, lad
I had trouble with Eschaton, but loved the AA and Gately chapters
>>8017905
How could someone love Gately chapters? It's like DFW forces you to like that character for no reason. What's the point of several of his chapters were he does normal things without anything more to say about the character is beyond me, and made me angry because they keep interrupting the flow of the far superior ETA storyline.
>>8017632
OP you have to know that after Eschaton the book goes downhill. I sorta liked the book, but I think a good part of the side characters are useless and just a chore to read. They are all the same, they use drugs, they hurt themselves in a stupid way, are paranoid for something or have a problematich relationship with their parents. Pick two and you get how DFW does characters.
Sorry if it seems a rant, but after how good Ulysses and GR were, I thought the last part of the trilogy were at least on par and my expectations were high.
>gravity's rainbow
the way everyone keeps talking about this book it's just a bunch of random scenes about sex and poo?
It's good for a wank
>>8017595
git gud
>>8017612
If you can read and aren't a total ADHD spastic it's not.
>>8017618
this too though
So how about ergodic literature? Thoughts? Recommendations? Gimmicky bullshit or genuine way of communication?
Pic not related
Why were bowler hats so popular?
If you thought for just a minute you could figure this out yourself. Stay pleb homie.
>>8017580
>ergodic literature
ain't nobody got time for that
So I'm reading le Timaeus de Plato for class. For some reason Socrates ain't all up in the speakers business in this one.
Anyone got any ideas what this book is about?
>>8017574
>reading the most important book in the western canon
>literally every great mind in the western tradition has engaged with this work
>wants a 4chan answer on what it's all about
lol
the golden ratio maaaaaaaan. its like there must be higher forms n' shit
>>8019327
>instead he got this response
sad
Which books will cure me of my unremitting cynicism and impulse to be as subversive and cuntish as possible?
>>8017535
Going outside. I am not even joking. Normal human contact is the best cure for cynicism and edginess. Loneliness breeds contempt.
>>8017535
Steppenwolf made me the non-edgy fucker I am today
>>8017566
i tried that, i look at people with such hate even when trying not to that i put people and they leave or they stay out of politeness but are brought down to my level of cuntiness by process of osmosis so there is this underlying tension running through each conversation.
i.e. pointless
Ever had an action, a pose, or maybe even a facial expression that you're having trouble describing accurately without using a clutter of words? Post a description and/or an image here, other anons will help you.
I'll start.
>what is a good description for a shrug (pic related) that is done out of anger, that physically screams "what the fuck are you doing/talking about?"
An aggressive shrug? An exasperated shrug? They all sound ridiculous to me. I hope someone knows a good suggestion.
>>8017499
She threw her hands up (in anger)
>>8017505
Thanks. That actually helped tremendously.But now I just feel stupid for not realising it myself.
She ate an imaginary rhino's ass out
Does anyone know how to make life good and if so, how? An which books will help
drugs
>>8017550
k, i'm gonna buy some modafinil
Life is good, dummy. Read some Buddhist lit
Could someone please link me the starting with the greeks guide?
Also general greek/roman thread
>>8017470
Not this .jpg but the website with the actual guide mf
What's the point of reading for fun when there are better ways to entertain yourself?
There's no point, in fact
I don't read for fun. I read because I'm very cool, like the rest of /lit/.
>>8017272
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You don't have to exclusively entertain yourself by reading.
I made a bet with a friend that I'd become an ubermensch by the end of June.
Need some tips, don't have time to read all of nietzsche for it
>>8017196
Set goals for yourself and pursue them like James Joyce smelling a fart. Never give into any temptation. You must become master of yourself.
Ignore anything anyone says. This is done easiest by never encountering anyone. The Übermensch is slave only to himself, and is not part of the herd. This also means giving up modern media of all kinds.
Never tell anyone what to do, even if they ask. The Übermensch is only master to himself, and is not a leader.
Accomplish something with your life that is greater than the promise of Heaven. This is kind of hard, but I believe in you!
And, most importantly of all, refuse to pay, and never admit you've lost.
>>8017238
Also, here's a little picture for inspiration. slightly NSFW, and I don't want to risk a ban
http://culturainquieta.com/images/articles/THE_WOMAN_WHO_CHARMED_NIETZSCHE_FREUD_AND_RILKE/Lou_Andreas_Salome-Paul_Ree-Nietzsche.jpg
>>8017238
hmm, this seems a bit much. i might just tell them i did it and see if they fall for it, thanks anyway
So I've really started to enjoy Lovecraft. Read lots of his short novellas, and am currently reading a book of "Lovecraft inspired tales", either using his mythos or the same weird fiction genre. Also read The King In Yellow and enjoyed those.
However, I'm missing the feeling you get when reading a full novel or series of novels; the full immersion and fleshed-out-ness of it.
Does anyone have any recommendations for really good weird fiction horror/creepy novels a la Lovecraft? I've found myself finishing lots of these short stories and wishing that I had more of the same story to read.
I'm not sure if the weird fiction genre could even work properly as a full-fledged novel.
Colin Wilson, Mind Parasites / Philosopher's Stone
>>8017190
Thanks, they seem good :)
This is OK. It's not some literary masterpiece and it does lack the Lovecraftian language but it's basically a novel format of "Dreams In The Witch House" plus some other Lovecraftian elements. It's casual fun.
>Guy and son move into old house in England
>He is paid to renovate/clean it up
>weird noises in attic
>some random homeless chick shows up
>they start fucking
>... and then things get weird
/lit/ seems to know very much about nihilistic and pessimistic books but, what about books about love? Which are the best ones?
Neurobiology textbook
The Age of Innocence is the best option.
>>8017159
lmao na but edgy brah, nice
Is there any theory or form of philosophy that can evaluate Works of art with some sort of rigid and unchangeable criteria?
For example: both Beethoven and Kanye West are musicians. Both produce works of art in the category of music. My very entrails tell me that Beethoven is superior in every way to Kanye West, and that even to put them together in the same sentence is some sort of indignity to the famous German Is there any theory or form of philosophy that can evaluate Works of art with some sorto f rigid composer, but how can I validate my statement that Beethoven is superior to Kanye West? How can I use a philosophical argument to show: “this work, A, is superior to that work, B”?
If other people come to me and say that everyone posses their particular taste and that all tastes should be respected and that there is no way of saying that Beethoven is actually superior to Kanye West, how can I make a solid, almost mathematical argument that will show that Beethoven is superior to the rapper, or that Shakespeare’s poetry is better than Eminem’s efforts, for example.
No, but you can learn the theory and use that to explain why something is more complex and original.
you can't. or you can try and be wrong. there's your two choices
No. Grow up and learn that your opinions aren't objective facts.
>>8017123
You can do this, but keep in mind that complex and original isn't always good.
What is the way to write good shootouts? I don't want to write huge long sequences, but I want the battles to have some sort of readability beyond "lol they shoot each other".
I will write things like this:
> He crawled low along the ground. Finally, he dared to get up, peering over the top of the log, aiming down the sights of his rifle. A single soldier stood just ten meters away, a sub-machine gun in its gloved grip. Peter lined up the sights of his rifle and fired, but missed. The soldier fired back, and Peter ducked back. He took a deep breath, then peered out again, forcing himself to focus. He centered the sights over the soldier's chest, then squeezed the trigger. The soldier jerked like a puppet tugged on strings. Peter shot it again, and again, until it collapsed.
I want to make them have some amount of depth, but not just jacking off for 200 pages about people shooting each other. I try to write them realistically but that takes too long so I just write stuff like I posted above.
Maybe switching between point of views of different soldiers, some of them getting killed
bang bang bang
jack was kil
>>8017107
I do that quite a bit. It's hard to coordinate, especially when several events are supposed to happen at once, like in pic related when they are shot down and fighting their way out of a crashed cruiser.
I am tyring to focus on keeping the sentences short, but I end up using "shot" or "fired" or "put a bullet thruogh" way too much. It just feels like word gymnastics after a point.
