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life is inherently worthless, but living it is still worth it
discuss
>>8050955
>living it is still worth it
probably not but I'm too scared of death to kms so I'll soldier on I guess
>>8050955
fuck you ya smarmy cunt I'm off to kill myself right now just to spite your supercilious ass
brb gunstore
>Life is worthless
>Some part of life is worth it
All you had to do is not contradict yourself. Thread ruined.
>Freud has taught us that...
>Marx has taught us that...
>Scholars today agree that...
>thinks marx and freud beneath him
>frogposter
>>8050769
Freud was a literal sexist, Marx was a literal bourgeoisie. I wonder why American academia say their names like a broke record when their core ideology is neoliberalism.
How do I become a pesudo intellectual?
read stirner and become a neet
Read the Greeks and engage with the modernity
>>8050605
Practice rhetoric for a few years and then make a career out of publicly defending whatever religion you think will receive you the best. People give guys like that shitloads of money because they're a key part of helping them feel like their beliefs are on even intellectual footing with stuff that's actually taken serious by philosophy departments.
What's your opinion on Dutch literature? Best works?
Stick a Finger In It by Guido van Rudeman
>>8050594
bumping for interest. I am Dutch myself but I lack a thorough knowledge of anything Dutch lit other than Mulisch
>>8050604
Same. I read some in highschool but i have the feeling most of those were shit and it's long ago.
So, I'm an unknown writer (obviously, I'm here) and I was thinking about entering a fiction/poetry contest in a pretty big name journal.
I was about to do it until I started second guessing the entry fee.
I'm not saying I lack confidence in my work, it's just a pretty steep fee for something that's, ultimately, subjective.
Are writing contests a scam?
>>8050472
Traditional publishing is all a scam.
>>8050549
Maybe. I don't have enough of background knowledge to argue otherwise.
>>8050573
It's true. The whole setup they have, whether it's a magazine, publishing house, or what have you benefits editors and critics far more than authors.
Do you guys read books to escape your shitty lives?
Gamers often game cause they want to escape their existence. Being almost 30 and having no friends and being a virgin. Of course you want to invest your free time and money on games.
But what about readers? Do you read to escape reality?
Why is reading separate from reality? Why is gaming? I read to for intellectual growth and aesthetic pleasure. Is that not reality? You are spooked is all.
Consumer culture has taught you what 'reality' is and you believe it.
I read for numerous reasons like
>keeping the brain sharp
>adding to one's world/cultural knowledge; picking up books from other cultures can teach one some neat things
>fun/entertainment
>challenge to see if i can understand and become better at it
I have a very happy and satisfying life, so I din't really read to escape it, but it is interesting to step into minds and worlds of others through lit.
I'm also a teacher to be, so adding more knowledge for my student's benefit is always good
>Be Salman Rushdie
>Be in no Rush to die
>Publish new novel "The Satanic Verses"
>Make one joke about Khomeini on like page 300
>Khomeini gets pissed.
>Khomeini issues Fatwa
>Survive axe murderer attacking you
>Meanwhile the fucking Japanese publisher of your shit gets killed by Muslim extremists in Japan.
>Tfw when you actually live and even get to meet Thomas Pynchon
the Bible
>>8050246
elaborate. This is a thread, not a list, my /lit/tle friend.
>>8050210
>>Be Salman Rushdie
>>Be in no Rush to die
I'm currently studying mathematical logic and I'd like some recommendations on more classical logic and philosophy.
Mathematical logic is relatively new, and vastly different from its predecessors. In fact, modern logic has much more in common with math today than it does with philosophy.
Nevertheless I want to be able to understand my subject in a broader sense, so if any of you know of any books both on the history of logic and philosophy, as well as actual "textbooks" I guess you could call them, that would be appreciated.
An Introduction to Philosophical Logic: Anthony C. Grayling is decent.
>>8050188
'The Development of Logic' by William Kneale (1962)
'From Frege to Godel: A Source Book in Mathematical Logic, 1879-1931' by Jean van Heijenoort
I've said this before and I'll say it again for those that have been seduced by ML: you'll never understand the deepest results of ML unless you're confident in your mathematical ability. This means having the knowledge of a 4-year maths education. Do you have it? If not, get it. If you do, then Schoenfield's book is the standard graduate textbook in ML.
>In fact, modern logic has much more in common with math today than it does with philosophy.
It's not a fact, unless by "fact" you mean "something that I pulled out of my ass". When you state that something has something "much more in common" with something else you need to say just what it is that they have in common and provide the statistics that justify it. It is nonsense to talk about something being "much more" than something else without defining a method for establishing this. ML lies in the foundations of mathematics and it overlaps with mathematics just as it does with philosophy.
>vastly different from its predecessors
Predecessors? *What* predecessors?
Dog ear or bookmark?
bookmark, always.
Brain mark
dog ear because I'm a madman
maybe bookmark if it's a book that's out of print
Have you ever found any good books at the thrift store? And nice hardcovers, not destroyed spines.
>>8050030
I got a nice version of the social contract in Paris in a street stand
>>8050030
Just bought a 1958 Folio Edition of the Anabasis of Alexander at a shitty roadside junk store in Brattleboro Vt on a 15 hour car ride.
Gravity's Rainbow, heavily annotated, but on closer inspection the annotations were all "haha" and "hahaha" and sometimes "HAHAHAHA," a few times a page, from beginning to end.
Let's have an actual philosophy thread.
What is /lit/'s opinion on Christopher Langan's "Cognitive Theoretic Model of Reality?" I think it's probably the most revolutionary work in philosophy of science for hundreds of years. Langan shows that reality itself is "relative" to our theories in much the same way that time is relative.
Of course it takes some intelligence to understand, so leave this thread if your IQ is below 140.
ctmu.org
Great idea. I brought joints for everybody.
I'll begin.
What is, like, the *meaning* of, like "meaning"?
>>8050019
Meaning is dependent on the mind that grasps onto any concept
Why?
Sam Harris finished it all.
Is 'start with the Greeks' just a meme? What the fuck can I hope to learn from the ideas of a defunct state that is literally older than Christ? I mean, if they're really as important as you folks claim them to be, I've already internalized the most useful parts of their philosophies from other thinkers, no?
If that's your attitude, angry lil anon, I suggest you forget Greek philosophy. Start instead with Greek literature, and come back to us when you've read some of that
>>8049999
familiarize oneself with the French.
also sick quads
>>8049999
Start with "Zorba the Greek" and work backwards.
Hey /lit/, could you recommend me some starter poetry bundles?
Also what does /lit/ think of Jim Morrison as a poet?
>>8049821
Jim Morrison loved this guy called John Green, have you heard of him anon?
DUDE ACID LMAO
Seriously though he's shit. Just another pretentious 60's psychedelic babbler with nothing of any actual substance to say. Back then all you had to do was just come off as artsy and people would think you were speaking new gospel. Go back and listen to almost anything from the late 60's and see what I mean. The whole scene was just an excuse to get high and chill with the cool kids.
>>8049821
the doors were a rad popular musical band and Jim's song lyrics are great.
song lyrics.
not poems
Just got this book. What should I expect?
>>8049763
Sadness
>>8049763
Sadness
Cripples
Whatever happened to David Foster Wallace, the meme? There once was a time /lit/'s catalog would always have threads memeing own and own about the guy and the water that this is.
Has John Green out-memed him?
>>8049704
>"own and own" instead of "on and on"
well that was retarded of me just now
>>8049704
People grew up and are now embarrassed
>>8049870
more likely they became oldfags and migrated and now all the newfags simply haven't read the books yet
