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“A new social type was being created by the apartment building, a cool, unemotional personality impervious to the psychological pressures of high-rise life, with minimal needs for privacy, who thrived like an advanced species of machine in the neutral atmosphere. This was the sort of resident who was content to do nothing but sit in his over-priced apartment, watch television with the sound turned down, and wait for his neighbors to make a mistake… people who were content with their lives in the high-rise, who felt no particular objection to an impersonal steel and concrete landscape, no qualms about the invasion of their privacy by government agencies and data-processing organizations, and if anything welcomed welcomed these inevitable intrusions, using them for their own purposes.” - JG Ballard, High-Rise (1975)
OK everybody always talks about 1984 and BNW whenever the question of "prophetic literature" comes up, what else comes to mind? I've just finished pic related, (and living in Denver, where generic over-priced high-rise apartments/condos are going up like weeds), it really did seem like JGB really was on to something with this book.
>>8071427____ :^) _____
>>8071427
If he was trying to say that apartments breed crime degeneracy then yeah, he had a point.
Seeing as he wrote it in 1975 I'd say it was more observational than prophetic.
>>8071513
>crime degeneracy
crime and degeneracy*
Where to start with hermeneutics? Schleiermacher? Guenon? Barthes? Is a solid base on semiology necessary to learn about this field?
Why don't you ask your professor?
>>8071341
Hermeneutics is a big and old category.
Schleiermacher was important as he was the first to expand hermeneutics from a Theological field to wider Philosophy of Interpretation but I don't think he is essential to read today.
Reading Dilthey and Gadamer will tell you everything you need to know on him, I also suggest you look into Edmund Husserl particularly The Crisis
Read the Stanford Encyclopedia article on it for starters. Schleiermacher is interesting in certain respects, and I have a bias here (he influenced Ranke's historical hermeneutics, which influenced 19th century Geisteswissenschaften) but not really necessary and not a good place to start. You want to have basic background on two things: the actual tradition of textual (especially scriptural) criticism called hermeneutics, and then the vague idealist milieu that hermeneutics in the modern sense grew out of.
Dilthey is where you want to start, but you're better off getting an understanding of Dilthey's basic outlines and (in my strong opinion) the intellectual context in which he was writing, i.e. as a response to Comtean and related positivist epistemologies of science which were felt to be seriously challenging the epistemological primacy of idealism, including other similar attempts at such like Droysen, Rickert, and Windelband. Collingwood's Principles of History (easily pirated) actually has a nice little skim of this so-called crisis of historicism and of its major figures, stating that Dilthey is the one that really gelled the hermeneutic thesis. Of course, he also founded the distinction between Geistes- and Naturwissenschaften (but again, similar to idiographic and nomothetic distinction of Windelband). Just some basic understanding of this helps. In all honesty, unless you're doing real research on the topic, there's not much reason to jump into Dilthey himself.
Subsequent hermeneutics is more difficult because it branches in so many directions. The neo-positivists of the Vienna circle were directly responding to the crisis of historicism and Dilthey's division, Husserl significantly was, and Heidegger departs from Dilthey and Husserl, especially in his earlier work, etc. But Heideggerian hermeneutics are their own thing, and so is Gadamer (e.g.), who is departing from Being and Time. The Diltheyan division/crisis also branches off into a lot of other fields and touches on a lot of things - Habermas, e.g., who debated Dilthey, Ricoeur, but just so many. It's a huge question. I wish I had a single survey book to recommend.
>TFW no horror books set in Puritan times
This is truly on area where Hollywood blows the fuck out of literature.
I didn't get this movie. Why was it scary? I mean I'm generally pretty open to horror that is very subtle and goes more for a 'creepy vibe' than anything else, or to horror that is plain experimental, but I found this movie to be neither of those things. I'm considering a re-watch, but would like to know what made it scary.
>>8071349
its a meme you dipshit.
>>8071349
It's a shit movie viraled by a couple of people on 4chins and reddit. It has no redeeming qualities.
Horror is a shit genre that mostly (if not always) has no literary merit.
Unpopular /lit/ opinions thread.
I think audiobooks read by the authors of those books are the superior way to consume literature. They allow stress to be put on words in exactly the intended way and do not require you to carry around a large book with you in order to read it, and do not require any trees to be cut down for paper. Unlike books or e-books, they do not present any possible eye strain. You can listen to an audiobook while driving, while going for a morning jog, while fishing, while lifting weights, while doing work, or while having a text-based conversation, among many other things. Hell, you can even listen to your favorite book while having sex. Overall I see no detriment to using audiobooks exclusively.
The only argument I've seen is that it makes you seem like a child who can't read for himself, but that's only an association fallacy. It's not a good argument.
bait
>>8071327
it sounds like a pretty legitimate opinion desu
Reading fiction has no worth, doesn't make you smarter or more empathetic and is simply entertainment on the level of film or video games.
1. Why do we start with the Greeks and not the Mesopotamians?
2. Where does one go after the Greeks? The Romans?
>>8071241
1) Mesopotamians were still attached to a "mythos" kind of philosophy. The western philosophy as we know it now was born 2500 years ago in the greek colonies.
2) Yes, continue with roman Epicureism and Stoicism, directly through the Medieval Era.
>>8071250
Who said I was talking about philosophy?
>>8071241
It's a general suggestion. How much of the Mesopotamians, and the surrounding cultures of that age, still exist is disappointing.
You go to where you want.
>Start with the Greek
>Be yourself/Read what you want
Is your writing up to professional standards? Give me one descriptive paragraph about a sports game.
I'll do it if you pay me, faggot.
Do your own homework.
>On 2 Hal now kicks a second serve to the ad court with so much left-handed top on it that it almost kicks up over Port Washington #2 guy's head. It's clearly carnage up there on Show courts 1 and 2. Dr Travis will be irrepressible. The gallery is barely even applauding Wayne and Incandenza anymore; at a certain point it becomes like Romans applauding lions. All the coaches and staff and P.W.T.A. parents and civilians in the overhead gallery wear tennis outfits, the white high socks and tucked-in shirts of people who do not really play.
>Schact and his man play.
Trance is an altered state of consciousness which individuals can enter through a variety of techniques...
sound particularly music...
vigorous exercise (particularly dance)...
People can also use trance... ...to learn new strategies of thinking or of relating to one another
...what Eric Jantsch calls ‘conscious learning’ is a transaction between consciousness, the environment and memory
Jantsch also identifies ‘superconscious learning’, which takes place with the addition of ‘outer’ and ‘inner’ ways of learning. These arise through the interaction of consciousness with transpersonal mass/collective consciousness (eg. Jung’s "collective unconscious")
I just read this and it's probably my favorite book ever.
How would you rank Bradbury's works?
Also, what did you think of the Martian Chronicles and which were your favorite stories?
I liked it when I was a kid but don't remember anything now, save that the colours were way more coral reef pastels and clay than expected (I'd expected Mars to be depicted as red at the time)
hated them.
sometimes they were too cynical like the story of the last two people on mars who fall in love through phone calls but when he sees she's fat he runs away
other times they are too spiteful, like the one about the guy who makes a haunted house to kill a bunch of guys who "killed romanticism"
and sometimes they are too heavy handed like the ones where humans are the dumb greedy invaders and the aliens are the noble savages whose land we stole
also too poetic and not scientifically rigorous but that is personal taste
I personally love Bradbury. "--And the Moon be Still as Bright" is one of my favorite short stories.
Or the story of the house on earth catching fire. I forget the name, but I liked that one too.
I know /lit/ doesn't love the guy, but I happen to really like most of his works. Also I want to absorb his prose into my face. It's a treat to read.
You read Dandelion's Wine, OP?
Soon, fellow il/lit/erates.
memes
>>8070962
the finest
He better score twice.
How would a 19 year old like me get into philosophy, /lit/? what books should i read? please help.
>>8070834
Herman Hesse may be an enjoyable experience for you, I think it is better to later read the greek classics.
>>8070834
Start with the Greeks
At 19?
>Bill Hicks
>George Carlin
>Hunter S Thompson
>Alan Watts
>John Lennon
>a Youtube political commentator of your choice
Why should I start with Hamlet and not some other play by Willy Shakes?
It actually doesn't matter. You can just read all of them in chronological order if you want, in fact.
That picture is shit for recommending Merry Wives
Actually the picture is just shit all around. Please delete it from your memory forever
Why are screenplays and screenwriters not considered worthy of /lit/ but plays and playwrights are?
Do you post this every day?
1. There's already a board devoted to movies and TV.
2. The script isn't the commodity with film—the actual film is.
3. The production isn't the commodity with theatre—the script is.
4. Plays are regularly published and available for study in literature class and have been for centuries (tradition)
5. Stop posting this thread, you dense retard.
>>8070809
>Do you post this every day?
No idea what you're talking about.
>1. There's already a board devoted to movies and TV.
I'm not asking about movies and tv. I asked why film scripts are not considered literature but play scripts are.
>2. The script isn't the commodity with film—the actual film is.
I agree that a lot more than the script goes into making a quality film, but that's the same with a play.
>3. The production isn't the commodity with theatre—the script is.
It's no different than a film.
>4. Plays are regularly published and available for study in literature class and have been for centuries (tradition)
This is probably the answer. Tradition.
>5. Stop posting this thread, you dense retard.
Fuck off, faggot. You aren't the gatekeeper of 4chan.
This.
Now fuck away off.
>birthday coming up
>give my mother hints that I'd like to read Dubliners
>say it's my birthday so she can afford to buy me a good edition and not a cheap paperback
>spend the next few days talking about how magnificant an author Joyce is
>birthday comes up
>mother shows me a present in the shape of a nice hardcover book
>feel good about this, proud of my mother for the first time in my life
>as soon as she hands me the book, all that goes away
>feel under the wrappings a shitty floopy paperback
>open it and see it's a fucking Penguin edition
>sternly tell mother that Everyman editions are the books that are aesthetically beautiful and long lasting
>she keeps telling me that my present is a centennial edition and that the artwork looks pretty, as if that makes it better
>tell her this Penguin piece of shit will fall apart after only a few rereadings
>demonstrate my point by opening and closing the poorly made Penguin edition just a few times
>it rips apart really easily and turns into a pathetic pile of paper on the floor
>tfw she won't buy me the Everyman version because I've been acting bad
She told me I could have just made an exchange if I didn't "destroy" the book I had, but I don't want another poor reader to suffer.
Do you have any lit pleb family members? How do you even deal with them?
Should've just accepted the gift. That's rude.
Go fuck yourself faggot
>>8070774
kekked
name a book that seriously affected the way you perceive things now, also mention what those things are
the Bell Curve
;)
>>8070708
really shit data collection and analysis when you dig into it
>>8070697
The International Jew - Henry Ford Sr.
Book title explains the thing
Reminder this is the best poet we've seen on 4chan. Still no news from him.
http://4poet.tumblr.com/
I sing the god carcinoma
devourer of beggar and saint.
across all our tissue
the bulls he gives issue
make every is into an ain’t
I sing the mighty sarcoma
Consuming the daft and the wise
In the pallid lymph courses
he marshalls his forces
Decembering all our Julys
Come give us the hymn “melanoma”
the bane of both pauper and prince
when the cool probe insults
and we wait the results,
and the specialist cannot but wince
we sacrifice things on their altars
a lobe or a limb or an eye,
that our doings without
may appease them no doubt
that this bribe might just let us get by.
But the comfort of friends is not cheering
and the struggle does not give release
and the glance of an eye
and the tremor and sigh
and the long dismal wait for decease
Oh drink you the health of Lymphoma:
requiter of dread and despair
and the step on the scale
as it tells a new tale
of a soon to be vacanted chair
But we had some good laughs with him didn’t we?
and he made a good run of it though;
have another small round,
he won’t wake at the sound.
take the bottle back home as you go.
>>8070658
>Still no news from him
but he just made this thread
>>8070658
>I sing the god carcinoma
good
>devourer of beggar and saint
good but quality drops compared to first line
>across all our tissue
sharper quality drop
>the bulls he gives issue
here it descends into nursery rhyme camp shit
i read the second stanza but don't feel like giving feedback because it's awful, don't even want to read the rest.
>>8070670
>implying
I'd be happy if I were him.
Seriously, it's been two years since that blog was made, and he didn't write (see header of blog) to give more poems or more information about him.
