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>buy book online
>arrives in the mail
>excitedly open it, ready to read it all day
>it's a Penguin edition
>could read a book and learn a bit
>shitposts on lit instead
>>7849435
>buy a penquin book
>read through it once
>not even a year old
>1-2 pages falling out already
People who complain about Penguin have never had Wordsworth Classics.
How do I write something totally hip with the teenagers that will get me 10/10 ratings and lots and lots of dollars?
Make sure it's so simple a foreigner with no English skills could understand it
/lit/ was having a collective race to write a YA trilogy about a young fat girl in school, right at the height of the fat acceptance movement. I suppose right now you'd have to go for a black mtf trans kid to get the same effect.
Make it a love story with no chemistry, the kids love that.
I know none can do it by itself but which book will get me in the best direction to fixing the mess that is my life?
journey to the end of night.
should make you realize your not as fucked as you think.
>>7859014
Try Thomas Ligotti's The Conspiracy Against The Human Race
>>7859183
ahahaha fuckin epic my man
xD
sincerely bruv. Funny as shit!!!
What's your Pynchon ranking? I've spent the last year intensively studying his work and (partly re-)reading all his books. I came to the following conclusion:
Mason & Dixon >>> Against the Day > The Crying of Lot 49 = Gravity's Rainbow >> V. > Inherent Vice > Bleeding Edge >>> Vineland
I haven't read his bibliography but so far it's GR > V >>TCoL49 > Vineland
It's a shame that all the /lit/ memes trick readers, who aren't yet familiar with Pynchon, into ignoring his two best books, M&D and Against the Day.
>>7858323
Most people here tell me M&D is better than GR though??
This is the most beautiful, thought provoking, and sensible paragraph you will ever read. Prove me wrong. Top tip: you can't.
>>7858262
>life is a X
stopped reading there
>>7858262
where is it from
>>7858262
what translation is this?
>80 pages.
How hard could it be?
haha you said 'hard'
What is this book and should I even bother?
>>7858079
Short but def longer than 80 pages OP.
where is a good place to start with chomsky?
Linguistics or politics?
The Sam Harris email exchange
Aspects
I am confused how something that seems so unorganized gets so much acclaim. What am I missing?
You are missing a lot. Read more closely. It isn't a children's narrative that you can understand simply by skimming through the plot.
what youre missing is that the emperor has no clothes
>>7857514
>It isn't a children's narrative that you can understand simply by skimming through the plot.
I get that. I've read it through multiple times. I get it, I just think that it's sloppy, some of it particularly redundant for my taste. Subtlety gets lost in repetition.
Tell me what you think about pic related, /lit/.
I saw a girl reading it on the train when I was in Australia. She looked like she was enjoying it. The cover was different than this one though I think.
It vaguely annoyed me
>>7857132
On my to read list
The common advice I see on this board is to write every day no matter how hard it is. I've tried this and it's just agonizing with a horrible result. Wouldn't the better advice be to curate an environment and time every day where good writing may take place instead of forcing it?
The best way to write is to read.
No.
You need to treat creative work like work. You write, you edit, and you improve.
You do not get better at welding or carpentry by waiting for inspiration.
>>7857118
This is just something people who shouldn't be writing in the first place tell themselves. If you even have to ask these sorts of questions there is no hope for you, let alone forcing yourself to do something you have no talent for and don't enjoy.
Natomics General Thread - Starter Edition
Welcome to the first of this season's Lainfagging circlejerk hosted by some dude you don't care about. Contained in this thread is an analytical scheme for language that almost certainly never heard of.
Natomics is the study of the units of language (narreme) that we use to convey meaning, most readily shown by narratives but applicable in any instance where a created linguistic artifact of some sort can be subject to analysis. We track these units to uncover patterns in their usage that differs from person to person in unique ways. Being able to do this enables a casual user to be more aware of their manner they convey their intents, while a detailed analysis can identify authors of unknown artifacts (assuming the authors have been analyzed in the past.)
Natomics is something you've never heard of because it's pretty freakin new. It's a very structural approach as it highlights the mechanisms by which your brains conveys meaning between abstract variables and focuses the analysis at the moment of internal interpretation before the word is spoken, shown from the function of the words themselves in their most base unit form. As such it's fairly procedural but also incredibly tedious.
Every Saturday Night around 11PM American Central I've set aside the time to make a thread and spend the next several hours working on various documents. I'll post what I'm working on and field questions about either the method itself or (hopefully) an analysis of your own.
Shoot the theory full of holes if possible, it's appreciated.
Tonight's possible victims, i can probably get a page done every 20 minutes or so if I'm typing it up:
1) Speaker for the Dead, Orson Scott Card
2) Haunted, Chuckie P
3) Dianetics, L Ron Hubbard
4) Changes, Jim Butcher
5) Anything in Lopate's Personal Essay's collection
Vote on your cellphones now.
Links:
An old presentation showing out of date data- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1GQIDLEOToSSUHYZY7MISREozF6G6pFgqZD-niF91t1A
Working Glossary - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i2y2n8NP587S9EwR50JsPRorrPCjoRXk3GrJSA01vAc
Past threads - https://warosu.org/lit/thread/5253469#p5253469
- http://4chandata.org/lit/Here039s-a-new-thread-for-the-ongoing-semiotics-discussion-focusing-on-narramemes-Old-thread-https--warosu-org-lit-thread-5253469p-a733683
>yes, I am autistic
Cool
>What is Natomics
The study of the employment of linguistic units to create meaningfully conveyed relationships between abstracts among parties.
We watch how people talk to see how people think.
>What is the linguistic unit?
It's called a narreme and is defined here as "a change in world state" http://www4.ncsu.edu/~abaikad/narreme-proposal-compressed.pdf
In practice any time an image is conveyed or altered, we mark it, catalog it, and repeat.
>What good is that?
The units strung together hold patterns that are often times unique to the author and their personal library of patterns creates an incredibly reliable map of the way they use language to convey ideas.
>Isn't this just trope theory?
Naw bro. Tropes are content based and this is about the way images are strung together in the first place. We could care less if this is de Sade or Dr. Seuss, we're only interested in the way you're manipulating another person into understanding your intents. You use tropes actively. Basically no one uses narremes actively.
>Well what are the units?
I'm glad you asked, docs.google.com/document/d/1i2y2n8NP587S9EwR50JsPRorrPCjoRXk3GrJSA01vAc/ That's the list at last update.
>So if I were to do this myself what would it take?
A book about to get a lot of pen marking and a numberline. Box in narremes, identify their usage, note it and repeat that 10,000 times. Then you'll have data to work with.
>What can you use this for?
Identifying a known author in a set of unknown data is the most forward. You can establish a natomic profile of a subject and then look for their patterns within large sets to identify their contributions. With a database you go go the other way and compare a long enough instance of communication to establish a profile and then identify them based on a pool of potentials.
There's more but that's the easy stuff.
>There's a lot of languages that aren't English, have you ever done one?
I'm VERY interested in the multinational/cross-lingual aspects of natomics and have worked with a few translators and interpreters and we've got a workable method for dealing with natomics in translated language and it's literally 3x the work. You're better off just training someone else who knows the language and have them do it in natural tongue cause it works the same in all the languages because it's a required feature of language.
>What have you done so far?
Not a lot. Chunks of Cloud Atlas, Name of the Wind, Infinite Jest, my own work, and the Amber Chronicles. Never a whole book, and rarely full chapters. It takes about 15 minutes a page going at a pace I can sustain for eight or nine pages at most.
I gotta step out for a hot minute, when I get back I'll either pick a book or go with whatever one has votes.
What are some books with a Ghibli vibe?
>>7852657
something shitty and overrated that only kids and hipsters like? try infinite jest.
>>7852657
Are you talking "shit's magic" Ghibli like Totoro, Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky, or the more normal ones like Whisper of the Heart, Grave of the Fireflies, etc?
>>7852662
this. pynchon
Anybody actually read this? He was totally correct.
>>7858842
DAE WHITE MAN'S BURDEN!?!?!?!
>>7858850
That's not even what he wrote about. He was basically just saying that due to population growth whites would eventually fade out of power, unless the races were separated to prevent interbreeding.
Look at the emerging world powers. China. India. Pakistan. What do they have in common? Homogeneity, rapid growth.
Europe? Currently getting outbred in their own countries while the white share of the population worldwide is getting smaller.
>>7858861
I was busting your ballsbecause your trying to bust mine. t b h im not sure if you're being serious but here.
>whites would eventually fade out of power, unless the races were separated to prevent interbreeding.
europe is still 85-90% white. white people will exist for a long time. and if not who cares.
>Look at the emerging world powers. China. India. Pakistan. What do they have in common? Homogeneity, rapid growth.
besides Japan, they really dont. Those are all large countries with hundreds of cultures and different practices and religions even within their borders. India for example, outside of Hindu, has a prominent Jain, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim and Sikh community. India and China dont even speak a unanimous language. Only 1/4 of indians speak Hindi right now, for example, and thats the most common language. Your book simplifies the nuances of particular cultures, probably because the author never actually had exposure to them.
+ What's wrong with them becoming prevalent world powers. it's been 100 years since that book and 7 of 8 G8 members are bloody white majority nations. Hardly loosing steam.
I know I post this a lot, but I really want to talk about this. I fucking LOVE Metamorphoses. Anybody else enjoy it? Favorite translation? I've partial to the Melville translation, but I'm honestly considering learning Latin just to read it in its original language.
i liked it. i read the version pictured. it was funny
literally RAPEEEEEEE the noveljust shitposting it is pretty good.
>>7858489
I posted this thread before and got the EXACT same reply as yours as the first response. I wonder if you're the same person. If so, thanks for your contribution!
>walk into Agamemnon's tent
>floor is covered with wine
>dude must've dumped like 9 caskets
>he kills four live animals before I can even speak
>pours me wine
>makes me dump it on the ground
>traces my entire family geneology everytime he speaks to me
>leave with fourteen tripods and a bowl
>die the next day
>mfw
Trojan war general I guess
Agamemnon was the world's first cuck. Or maybe that was Menelaus.
>Here Agamemnon is back
>Walk into his house to congratulate him
>floor is covered in wine
>dude must have dumped like 9 caskets
>oh wait that's blood
>Shit he's dead
>>7858165
Adam was the world's first cuck
>tfw u get expelled from paradise
>because you listened to a woman
>tfw u regret immediately
