>I will never have a GOAT younger sister
>ywn have your own Phoebe
Why live, bros?
Those of you with younger sisters, I hope you realise how lucky you are.
I sometimes feel like Holden without a Phoebe.
inb4 someone claims he raped Phoebe
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.
Funny thing, I really think my sister only a year older than me is almost exactly like Phoebe in personality.
Why do people try to claim that free verse poetry has any value whatsoever? It's shit and shouldn't even be grouped in with real poetry. Literally anything can be free verse poetry, so it lessens the weight which the term poetry holds for actual poems. If your poem doesn't rhyme, then it's automatically lessened in value by several magnitudes, though it can be redeemed if it has a good structure and flows well, like e e cummings's work. This has been my free verse poem, titled "Fuck Free Verse Poetry"
>>7356999
>If your poem doesn't rhyme
>pleb gets trips
>>7356999
Get off my board, essentialist.
I bet you don't like modern art either because it's not just all about "muh landscapes".
Get with the times, grandpa.
This comes up on /tv/ and /co/ a bit... Please tell me you guys have read it and/or have excerpts?
I'd hate it to just be a holy grail..
>Christian
>fantasy
>Linkara
gay
>>7356982
Like you're not curious how hilarious it'd be
Should I do it? 25€ is a hefty price for a bit of memeing though.
Where did academia and literature go so wrong?
>Kenyon College
Can you believe people pay 200,000 US for a degree from this place?
>>7356955
he is an alumni.
>>7357008
>he is an alumni.
>an alumni
The ultimate literary battle:
The Iliad or The Odyssey?
>>7356909
I liked The Odyssey more.
>>7356913
Yeah, well, I liked the Iliad more.
>>7356909
I feel that the Odyssey has had a bigger influence on popular culture and "storytelling" generally.
However, there seemed to be a lot more "proper" literary techniques in the Iliad. There's a more intense characterization and the prose (particularly during the battle scenes) is plain fantastic.
Remember, Goethe described the Iliad as "a glimpse into Hell", and Tolstoi thought it was "a miracle". The Iliad is the more highbrow work, I think.
What does /lit/ think about Tom Wolfe? I love his books and I've read some great articles about him lately. I never see him discussed here though.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/how-tom-wolfe-became-tom-wolfe#17
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427034/mizzou-protests-tom-wolfe
I enjoyed Bonfire of the Vanities, The Right Stuff and his collections of shorter pieces, Pump House Gang and the Kandy colored blah blah blah
Couldn't really get into the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test - filthy hippies
Thought A Man in Full was just a re-tread of Bonfire of the Vanities with more bs thrown in.
Enjoyed all of his novels.
The Painted Word and From Bauhaus to Our House are very entertaining attacks on modern art and modern architecture respectively.
Here's a good lecture where Wolfe makes fun of modern art:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnFjLFNloDUa
>>7357107
That lecture is great stuff. I'm taking an art class right now to fulfill a requirement and he's makes fun of at least five of the artists we've discussed in class.
Cities edition
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a8/1307836551252.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110612005642
>Sci-Fi
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a6/Scifilit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100710233344
http://imgur.com/r55ODlL
>>7356721
The Kingdom of Luna from The Lunar Chronicles by Marissa Meyer.
I'm currently reading "Consider Phlebas" by Iain M. Banks. I'm about one quarter of the way through and there are some interesting parts but a fair amount of redundant text too. Not entirely sure whether to just shelve it at this point.
On the other hand, when I read William Gibson, it feels like there is barely a word wasted. Probably because I have some bias toward cyberpunk admittedly. I just finished Mona Lisa Overdrive and enjoyed that thoroughly.
Did anyone else equate the splitting of the Wintermute-Neuromance AI into lesser AIs with the creation story associated with Gnosticism?
This is like the thousandth thread and still the same chart since before we started having them?
Some things we should add:
The End of Eternity to Golden Age
Spaceman Blues to Modern
True Names to Cyberpunk
Viriconium to Sci Fantasy
Engine Summer to Post Apocalyptic
What's your favorite Steinbeck book, /lit/?
Grapes of Wrath.
his chapters where he writes from a bird's-eye-view of the situation is some of the best prose in the english language
Of Mice and Men.I crie evry tiem
>>7356578
But I agree with this Anon, GoW has some patrish-tier prose
I know this is unpopular, but does anyone else agree that East of Eden is criminally over-rated? The descriptive prose is great early-on, but it doesn't save the forced-theme of Adam & Eve, Cain & Abel, and Jungian archetypes, not to mention the foreshadowing that you have to consistently deep-throat if you're anything more than an now-and-then reader. Additionally, I wasn't a big fan of what Steinbeck did with Lee:
>herro missa hami-ton! you like sum tee? tee? okay!
>jk i'm actually really articulate and want to be a philosopher
>lol I'm not going to fulfill negative stereotypes of asians...but I will smoke some opium and sit around with a bunch of other Confucius-tier chinese dudes
I really could have saved some time not reading EoE and just gone through a McGuane collection for the western prose and American hardiness.
How does it make you guys feel that so many great greek books are gone forever?
feels like amor fati man
The greeks suck retard.
>>>/his/
nothing
it makes me sad that all that great greek boipuss is gone forever and I'll never have any of it
Don't have a mentor
Don't follow one character consistently through the whole story.
End the story on any part of the cycle prior to the return.
Kill off the characters at the climax.
(also kinda funny how it's "the hero's journey" when it's completely amoral and works just as well for villains and evil doers)
Ending the story on any part before the return doesn't avoid or subvert the heroes journey when he explicit states and gives numerous examples of it happening. Same with killing of the character. Following more than one character doesn't alter the heroes journey at all and having a mentor isn't an integral part of the heroes journey.
>>7356387
In my story.
> Hero kills the mentor before they can get any help
> Third act is entirely different people
> Hero ends stripped of all power, alone, and homeless in an unfamiliar land
Am I doing it right?
>>7356387
your keming is fucked up
Hey /lit/ so I've been thinking a lot recently about the shift from modernism to post-modernism moving from the turn of the 20th century industrial boom causing modernism into the post-World War/Cold War, novels, poetry and films focusing on existential questions, breaking from the create-your-own-destiny mentality and forcing people into thought of impeding doom. The War on Terror is about 15 years in the making now, what trends and literature are being formed and what will we see come out of this new Global War? Any books you guys can think of, or trends you think you're seeing in relevant contemporary novelists? This isn't a question about Tom Clancy War novels or anything, just how/if art is mirroring ideology right now.
No one wants to deal with it, so it's just pure escapism. YA is the name of the game now. No one gives a fuck how some random writer in some random English faculty is innovating narrative structures with bold new forms or whatever.
>>7356376
OP here, do you think that's more of a response to Global Conflict or the structure of publishing and marketing of books now? (I know the answer has to do with both, but that's a really undergrad way of looking at things) The relevant forms must still just be waiting to be discovered and canonized, right?
>>7356388
Part of pomo is the complete breakdown of "relevant" form.
What do I read if I want to get a decent understanding of Anarchism?
Bakunin
>>7356303
anything in particular?
Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin
>"For some time now I've had the feeling that novelists and terrorists are playing a zero-sum game."
>"Interesting. How so?"
>"What terrorists gain, novelists lose. The degree to which they influence mass consciousness is the extent of our decline as shapers of sensibility and thought. The danger they represent equals our own failure to be dangerous."
>"And the more clearly we see the terror, the less impact we feel from art."
>"I think the relationship is intimate and precise insofar as such things can be measured."
>"Very nice indeed."
>"Beckett is the last writer to shape the way we think and see. After him, the major work involves midair explosions and crumbled buildings. This is the new tragic narrative."
>"In societies reduced to blur and glut, terror is the only meaningful act. There's too much everything, more things and messages and meanings than we can use in ten thousand lifetimes. Who do we take seriously? Only the lethal believer, the person who kills and dies for faith. Everything else is absorbed. The artist is absorbed, the madman in the street is absorbed and processed and incorporated. Give him a dollar, put him in a TV commercial. Only the terrorist stands outside. The culture hasn't figured out how to assimilate him. It's confusing when they kill the innocent. But this is precisely the language of being noticed, the only language the West understands. The way they determine how we see them. The way they dominate the rush of endless streaming images. I said in London, Bill. It's the novelist who understands the secret life, the rage that underlies all obscurity and neglect. You're half murderers, most of you."
Is DeLillo the most prescient writer of our time?
Yes
there's no point to being an artist when terrorists are running around a major city killing people and blowing shit up on the reg
you can't make any art let alone a novel that will affect people more than that/
>>7356226
Reminds me of Fahrenheit 451, where the police chief talks about societies evolution into "blur and glut" and the firemen.
Who is the sexiest thinker of all?
>>7356191
is dat grodendack
>>7356191
messi
Looking to pick up a Quran, not sure what the best translation/version is. Any suggestions?
Shameless self bump.
>>7356001
When in doubt, Cambridge.
The Cambridge Companion to the Qur'an
Book by Jane Dammen McAuliffe
http://bookzz.org/book/512112/0da0e1
After some brief research, this seems to be the best translation:
The Holy Qur'an Paperback – April 5, 2001
by Abdullah Yusuf Ali (Author)
The Holy Qur'an (also known as The Koran) is the sacred book of Islam. It is the word of God whose truth was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through the angel Gabriel over a period of 23 years. As it was revealed, so it was committed to memory by his companions, though written copies were also made by literate believers during the lifetime of the Prophet. The first full compilation was by Abu Bakar, the first Caliph, and it was then recompiled in the original dialect by the third Caliph Uthman, after the best reciters had fallen in battle. Muslims believe that the truths of The Holy Qur'an are fully and authentically revealed only in the original classical Arabic. However, as the influence of Islam grows and spreads to the modern world, it is recognised that translation is an important element in introducing and explaining Islam to a wider audience. This translation, by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, is considered to be the most faithful rendering available in English.
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>>7356001
Qara'i, Pickthall, Arberry
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