what are some good books on the freud + nietzsche connection? after a quick google search im really surprised at the lack books covering this topic
Well, first you have to find out if there really is a Freud/Nietzsche connection. I would say maybe, because they both more or less say that society holds back individual desires - Nietzsche thinks this is bad, Freud thinks this is good (or at least necessary). Other than that I don't know.
>>7698367
well when I read Freud i see Nietzsche everywhere; the concept of sublimation/repression, ressentment etc. I know most psychoanalysts try to play it down but Freud was obviously massively influenced by Nietzsche I thought that was pretty well accepted by most people into philosophy
Try this:
>Freud, the reluctant philosopher / Alfred I. Tauber.
"Rarely does a book cause one to rethink an entire field. Alfred Tauber's detailed and accessible study of the philosophical underpinnings and implications of Freud's work (and psychoanalysis in general) will have this impact on both the humanities and psychoanalysis. Tauber's rigorous framing of Freudian thought in the context of the history of philosophy (and the history of science) makes this the most important book on the shape of Freud's thought in recent times."-- Sander L. Gilman, Emory University "To his enormous credit, Tauber avoids the selective approach that is almost always taken by philosophers studying Freud. Instead of isolating facets of this multifaceted thinker, Tauber has striven to give an integrated and holistic portrait. He also provides a careful and detailed account of Freud's debt to German thinkers close to his own time. This is an important contribution."-- Jennifer Radden, University of Massachusetts, Boston
Others:
Nietzsche and Depth Psychology / Golomb, Jacob J. Editor
Freud and Nietzsche / Paul-Laurent Assoun ; translated by Richard L. Collier, Jr.
Nietzsche und Freud / Reinhard Gasser.
Nietzsche and psychoanalysis / Daniel Chapelle.
Just finished this, very good, like Quentin's and Dilsey's sections the most. One question I do have is how can anyone feel bad for Jason?
>muh heritage/money/greed/whore niece
He's just not very likeable.
I think it's the fathers funeral flashback where I felt some sympathy for him. His family is fucked up and unhappy.
He's pretty awful for the rest of the book though.
>>7698325
I felt empathy for Jason, which isn't to say I "felt bad" for him. I understand what it's like to "see red," and whether or not one justifies that feeling, it's a terrible thing to be able to rage at that degree.
On a related note, I feel like a lot of people on 4chan would benefit psychologically from watching the interviews with Ed Kemper. Maybe I'm just projecting. I can post the link if you want.
>>7698337
do that plz.
I just remember before I read it that people would come here and talk about how Jason's was the saddest part of the novel, and other than the overall shittieness of his life there wasn't anything that really got me
>tfw reading anxiety while reading philosophy
I have to try extra hard to comprehend what the author's saying and pay close attention to words or phrases, and in the end I end up losing track of what I'm doing anyways.
It's ultimately ironic because I'm trying to read material that could assist me in learning to be less anxious of such trivial situations and circumstances.
Look on the bright side. The ultimate truth of philosophy is that the mystical is the real, and that philosophers are sages on the road to eternal knowledge. All of the writers you are struggling to read are in heaven and excruciatingly aware of every single aspect of every single failure on your part to comprehend their simple arguments. They can experience your shame in entire dimensions you don't even know about.
>>7698301
just realize you aren't going to get it the first time through no matter what, and that people dedicate their entire lives to reading this shit.
>>7698308
>>7698309
lol it's not even about the philosophy itself, I literally have to reread entire paragraphs just because I feel I haven't grasped it all when I really have but I just can't immediately surface the entire thing word for word.
It applies to me reading general literature as well, but it's less of a pressing issue because at least with fiction the prose flows much better.
how are these compared to the tv show?
Very different.
>>7698295
bot are shit, desu
Literature, Sartre concluded, functioned ultimately as a bourgeois substitute for real commitment in the world.
What did Sartre mean by this?
>Stop reading books and go fuck something
>>7698294
sounds like a normie
it allows people to experience things vicariously, without the risk and struggle
>bzz fzz toodlee doo swivvel manxurio b'gronko muhbubbawubba dingdong brakko brixo
What did he mean by this?
Ulysses is one of the most perfect books ever written, in terms of pure language, so it only makes sense that Joyce would follow that up with a relentless, ridiculous attack on/celebration of language
>>7698289
BZZZZZ FZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>not understanding the reference to early sumerian clay tablets
Alright /lit/ I've been hanging around here for some time, and you shitheads have very extended knowledge of history of philosophy even though most of the philosophy you follow is for little whining girls.
Whatever, I don't have the time and energy to start with the Greeks and read many fucking books. I started reading from SEP (yeah stop bitching) and thinking of reading every motherfucking philosopher and then start over to read the books to comprehend and stop being a pleb.
Can you give write down a list of philosophers that I should read, starting from ugly bitch Socrates or whoever?
Sincerely yours.
>extended knowledge
u got that rihgt
>>7698225
There's a project for what you want. But you're being too much of a faggot for me to want to help you further.
>>7698225
Project aforementioned (I believe):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub
and stop the faggotry.
If you read 1984 and realise that IngSoc are the good guys then it means you've finally matured.
>>7698215
If you think the phrase "the good guys" means anything, you definitely haven't matured.
i realized that a long time ago bro, winston is basically like some middle class jackass who becomes an isis sympathizer after seeing videos of jihadi john or whatever on the news every night, but luckily the authorities pinch him before he can kill anyone
>evil dystopian conspiracy secretly running society
>protagonist confronts the leader of the conspiracy
>realises they're right
My favourite twist.
I'm looking for gritty, depressing poetry. Much in the style of the beats, mainly the raw aspect of it.
>>7698213
Facebook or Twitter because literally all contemporary "poetry" by retards who don't know anything about poetry is loosely modeled off things like that.
>>7698216
I was looking for actually recognized movements.
>>7698229
visceral realism sounds like what you're looking for
start with ceasara tinjero then move on to piel divina, angelica font, and ulises lima
Is Obama's memoir worth reading?
I've heard good things from those I respect. I read parts of it over shoulder. Give it a shot.
>>7698204
wait till His memoir drops
Obama is a gerrymandering figurehead. He was selected to MUH BLACK VOTE the Democrats into the White House because he's a relatively articulate black man. Otherwise there is literally nothing else about him that is remotely noteworthy on any level whatsoever. He might as well be a cardboard cut-out and that book might as well just be 500 pictures of black people giving thumbs up at the cardboard.
what does luzhin have to gain from marrying dunya?
dunya bizness
he wants to fuck her
dunya wanna check muh dubs?
What are some cliche writing tricks that never get old?
Using contrasting words. For example, Nietzsche:
>This little work is a great declaration of war
'little' and 'great'. Cliche, but still appreciated by the reader.
I mean tricks that never go out of fashion. You can't wear happy pants anymore, but tan chinos will be fine for all time.
well, if contrast does that much for you, you might want to sit down before you hit litotes.
>cliche
i'm not sure you know what it means, so maybe strap yourself in for that one.
A friend and I have been arguing about the best way to describe a character.
My friend says one should point out the major characteristics to provide a framework for the imagination to work within. Describing only bare details will simply leave a confused mental image.
I personally think, you guessed it, the opposite. I'd rather the character's context and environment helps me figure out their aesthetic. The details I'd want to be told, maybe one or two, would only be the ones that tell me something about their character or that are important to the narrative.
So, /lit/
What's your opinion on describing a character?
Pic unrelated, its hard to find /lit/ related imagery.
>>7698113
Depends on the effect you are trying to achieve
Brevity of description and intention of description elicit different responses in the reader
Fuck off, you genre fiction pleb, descriptions of a character should be used only so much as to establish, or consolidate, a thematic context.
>>7698141
So you agree with OP then. Okay.
Can't stop thinking about this book I read when I was probably like 9-12 years old in the school library. Driving me insane how I can't find anything about it on google
It was about a kid (really young, probably 8-12) living alone in the city because his mom walked out on him but told him he'd be back. He starts eating from the garbage of his neighbor because his neighbor's kid wouldn't eat anything but french fries. Then he goes on to live out in the city and meets homeless people or some shit.
My brain remembers the name as 'Concrete jungle' but no book bearing the description of what I typed earlier shows up.
Can someone help me?
BTW born in '92/elementary-middle schools generally only stocked children/young adult lit, so maybe that'll let you know the time frame and genre of the book
>>7698099
Stone Cold?
>>7698118
Nah, just read the synopsis for that book. Thanks though
Just wasn't meant to be
Are you German by any chance?
Never give all the heart, for love
Will hardly seem worth thinking of
To passionate women if it seem
Certain, and they never dream
That it fades out from kiss to kiss;
For everything that’s lovely is
But a brief, dreamy, kind delight.
O never give the heart outright,
For they, for all smooth lips can say,
Have given their hearts up to the play.
And who could play it well enough
If deaf and dumb and blind with love?
He that made this knows all the cost,
For he gave all his heart and lost.
>>7698080
is that some pruno you're knocking back from that ol stanky leg it was hidden in
