how do I become more proficient in writing poetry?
read a bunch of it.
write a lot of it until it's not shit
also, have feelings (a lot of people miss this part)
>>7371154
I have a similar question to OP
How can i write poetry and not be completely embarrassed/disgusted by it when looking back on it in the future?
>>7372675
I don't think you can anon
Unless you write some Whitman and Eliot, subtexty ,allusive ,planned and perfectly executed posey you're doomed to look back on it as a cringey mess.
But hey the best artists are their own worst critics. It's probably "disgusting and embarrassing" because it's tangible and good poetry.
>When you self consciously tear up everything you write because you can't help but think you suck at writing and should just stahp.
1) I am not, in actual fact, 12. On the contrary, I am of rule-based age to use this website.
2) I am 12 and why exactly is Hegel supposed to be a major, unavoidable capstone in philosophy? Please explain the big ideas in language that a teenager could understand.
3) In particular, please expound the history of the "Master/Slave dialectic" idea, that I assume is Hegel's, and compare this both with the "Master/Slave morality" which I assume is Nietzsche's, and furthermore with the probable "Alpha/Kek" oversimplification meme which invokes the above phrase, and is currently popular on 4chan and elsewhere.
4) Finally, was it Foucault who had the quotation about Hegel waiting patiently at the end of the roads, or is that from elsewhere? Quotes are notoriously poorly misattributed.
>>7370906
>I am 12 and why exactly is Hegel supposed to be a major, unavoidable capstone in philosophy?
He's usually treated these days (at least in America and Britain) as avoidable, but large swathes of philosophy since his time has been either developed out of his philosophy (Marx, elements of Kierkegaard, Heidegger, Derrida, the critical theorists, existentialism, certain strains of feminism) or has developed in response to him (most of the rest of Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, analytic philosophy).
He's worth studying either for historical reasons (a solid understanding of the emergence of analytical philosophy is very much helped by understanding his dialectic, which Russell at least had been a big proponent of in his youth), or because of direct relevance to subsequent movements in philosophy that haven't even necessarily moved past him so much as altered elements of his work.
>Please explain the big ideas in language that a teenager could understand.
Absolutely not possible. Philosophy generally is hard, since the entire pretense of it is a movement away from common opinions to (hopefully) knowledge or wisdom, but Hegel's work is especially difficult to simplify since the actual content of it resists such simplification.
>In particular, please expound the history of the "Master/Slave dialectic" idea, that I assume is Hegel's, and compare this both with the "Master/Slave morality" which I assume is Nietzsche's, and furthermore with the probable "Alpha/Kek" oversimplification meme which invokes the above phrase, and is currently popular on 4chan and elsewhere.
The Master-Slave dialectic is laid out in the Phenomenology of Spirit, and is (at least in largest part) an account of consciousness. It seems to be in particular an account of what happens to a consciousness when it encounters another consciousness (two people encountering each other, concretely speaking). Hegel probably developed some of it out of one of his big sources for his understanding of dialectic, Plato's dialogue Parmenides, wherein there's a short passage that uses them as an example to refute a certain understanding of things. But as per above, it'd be too much damn work to 1) summarize it 2) in a simple way 3) that does justice to it. If you must, read a commentary on it, or take a look at it itself; parts will certainly confuse you, but it's pretty short.
Nietzsche's understanding of it seems to be based on his readings of ancient literature; as a trained philologist, he's detailing historical phenomenon. I'm not sure his Master-Slave thesis is related to Hegel's.
>>7371065
Thanks for the post I guess, but the "absolutely not possible" pronouncement is patently absurd.
We might step away from my "teenager" prompt, or point to Hegel's alleged difficulty and opacity, but there are scholars and historians whose job and personal interest it is to know and understand a person's life course and how their thought developed, how their formal training, where their analogies might have come from. There exist wiki articles, "Hegel in 90 minutes", and so on which although might not be accessible to Dustin, do reduce in length. You could of course take exception to any one of these as being of poor quality, but the point is that any long work of any kind is, in principle, amenable to summary - the real question being what quantities and qualities of loss of information are acceptable for such a purpose.
We are on a Balinese Puppet Show, so I put it to you that some degredation is acceptable-we all know to take what is done here with a grain of salt, but advice given can be useful as a pointer.
He's gonna do so-many cases and instances of whatever it is he's talking about, and these will be amenable to some degree of accurate, honest simplification. I get the whole not-wanting-to-pleb-it-up with appeals to common-sense-as-oracle impulse, but at some point this is dishonest.
Obviously the simplest thing for me to do would be to just actually read the guy and track down idea-provenance to help myself, but the absurdity of the (one part of the) reply still stands.
>>7370906
first thing's first: ignore this poser >>7371065
assume we use concepts, let's call them "categories" after kant, to understand the world. if you want to hear the full story read the first critique, but i think this idea is commonplace by now.
building upon this, hegel's idea is now very simple: those concepts, our categories, have a life of their own. in other words, they can be deduced. this is the work of logic, but don't think of frege here. yes, you are moving from one thing to another, but not via mechanical rules. you move from one thing to another because you desire it.
this is why, in reality, logic is really the work of history. every concept has a blind spot, you see, something missing, and this is what produces desire. every concept is itching to move on to the next thing. the trick is to clarify the concepts that we live by and to find their blind spots. then you can predict where they will go, and likewise will be able to predict all of history.
there, now you understand hegel.
What are /lit/'s best villains?
Holden was the hero, dingbat.
Now, Holden Caufield.....
Satan in Paradise Lost /thread
>>7370897
>>>r/thread
Would you say that this image describes you?
>>7370598
Haha, I saw that earlier too.
I don't arrange my shelves by emotion, make unwanted references in public and I don't care about Hogwarts. But I would often rather be reading than anything else, spend my excess money on books and become involved enough in what I read that I may be emotionally affected or eschew some sleep.
No, fuck off.
25% talking about books I haven't read
25% not finishing the books I've started
25% talking shit about books I haven't read
25% buying books and never reading them
10% spooks
>people tend to think of "The Greeks" as one harmonious philosophical party
>Plato LOATHED Homer, the Iliad, and the Odyssey
>professor describes him as "the Greek Richard Dawkins"
>his attack on "the arts" was actually an attack on using Homer as a bible, like the Greeks did
Who are you quoting
>Plato LOATHED Homer, the Iliad, and the Odyssey
No he didn't, fuck off.
nah, he was the greek muhammad
Write the most poetic Tinder profile you can, /lit/. prose submissions welcome
dick is fire af
not a raper, but also not a non-raper
>>7370266
Pic of me doing something expensive and WASPy
pic of me with attractive white women who look wealthy
pic of me with my mates playing sportsball
There ya go, that's the ideal tinder profile.
>>7370266
i am the kind of man
who your parents
wouldnt want to meet
in an alley
Is Don Quixote the only worthwhile work written in Spain?
2666
La catedral del mar
>>7370136
he was chilean
I swear to god /lit/, does anyone know why some academics use the feminine personal pronoun when referring to someone generally?
>Instead of "If one wanted to, they could eat a fat dick"
>They do "If one wanted to, she could eat a fat a dick"
Is it douchey liberalism? For fuck's sake we have gender neutral personal pronouns, use them. Why is this a trend?
because they are warriors fighting for social justice of course, you pig
>>7369653
>Why is this a trend?
Muh oppression, muh patriarchy. The same reason some black people think it's totally okay to be racist towards white people because of history.It's because they're retarded.
>>7369653
>we have gender neutral personal pronouns
we do?
Also I think it depends on which language you grew up with. There's a specific word for that, but it's language based, not universal. You're an idiot, seeing attacks against your dick where there isn't any. It's the same thing with boats and shit. In the uk and us, boats are always female- but not anywhere else.
Say this poem in your native language, is for a university project.
>All your dreams are real, you can feel them even with the tip of your tongue, your heart feels my soul and find the truth.
You can use vocaroo to record it.
thanks!
Tu coño es mi droga, tu coño es mi droga, tu coño es mi droga, tu coño es mi droga, tu coño es mi droga, tu coño es mi droga, tu coñ
explain the poem
>>7369504
Alla dina drömmar är verkliga, du kan till och med känna dem med tungspetsen, ditt hjärta känner min själ och hitta sanningen.
Could you recommend me some good literature on Islam? I wanted to get a well rounded basic view of the faith and its history.
>>7369368
Learn Arabic, most importantly.
>>7369368
Talk to an imam at your local mosque.
>>7369368
well, until now I've read Ibn Tufayl's Hayy ibn Yaqzan in which it argues that even without prior knowledge of God, the sentiment of his existence appears in the heart of man.
I also have Al-Ghazali's Alchemy of Happiness, but I didn't get a chance to read it and I didn't read anything about it(I don't want a briefing about what I'm about to read, and it has just about 100 pages or so).
If you're passionate about history you could also try "The Crusades through Arab Eyes" by Amin Maalouf
The Legacy
Of Totalitarianism
In a Tundra
It happened.
>>7369098
A spiritual successor to Finnegans Wake, Joyce would be proud.
Contender.
how come there are no good women writers?
Because they have no empathy nor insight
Because the only purpose of woman is to ornament man.
Last one hit the bump limit.
For your consideration:
http://pastebin.com/48kHu4g2
I posted a version of this in the last thread shortly before it died. As I said there, it is supposed to be chaotic, jarring, and a little inconsistent. With that in mind, how is my style?
A face behind a confluence of glass: rust-colored forelocks falling over eyes--white pools, dark tunnels rimmed with light blue: placental warmth, the memory of it, percolating through the still air. Shift. Wrinkles--little valleys, flesh runnels deepening with the cruel flowing of time. Shift. Crystal droplets: tears: on the swell of her cheek: tears behind a glass pane: artificial, the precipitate of an inorganic process, to be considered from a distance--look but don't touch. Shift. Her eyes, hair, soft curves and angles fading, evaporating into a gleamingwhite plate.
He lay there for a time, on the wrinkled sheets of his bed, lost in antemeridian stupor: forms recognized, not understood; thoughts reduced to impressions--vague, evanescent feelings that fade without consequence; his own body foreign, alien, separate. He considered his hands with fascination, contemplating the lines in his palms, tracing them with his fingers. Firing synapses, connecting neurons, proprioceptors whirring to life: he grasped the folds of his blanket, pulling it off, waves propagating across the surface while it fell, dying when it landed--still. He rose and dressed: suit, loafers, watch: what was expected…
Will post some critiques tomorrow, it's late.
As darkness fell the men fell asleep quickly and the forest became noisy with chattering animals. There were clouds overhead but through them glimmered the stars and the starry band of the Milky Way. The wind became heavier as the night went on and the trees started to sway aggressively. Alone on the island the two men slept under their rough roof of leaves and nature unleashed its fury.
They both woke up in time to see the vine holding their shelter to the nearby tree snap and suddenly the cold wind was upon them. They were groggy with tiredness and tried to hold the roof down but it was no use. A strong gust came and blew the whole thing over onto the ground. It started to rain.
‘Oh for God’s sake give us a chance!’ the professor shouted into the wind. They grabbed at the shelter for fear that it would blow away. The ground was getting muddy and the professor slipped and fell in the mud. Sebastian ran to help him up and their shelter caught the wind like a sail. It flew backwards into a nearby trunk and hit it, snapping into pieces. The rain was heavy and cold and they both began to shiver. It cut into the mens’ faces and ears and they ran for the cover of a nearby fallen tree which they ducked under and huddled in the rain. The tree trunk stopped a bit of the rain but whenever there was a sideways gust they would get lashed at the back of their necks.
The two hopeless, soaked and miserable men sat huddled with each other whipped by the wind and rain. The professor put his jacket over both their backs and they sat there trembling. Around them the animals had gone silent and there was only the sound of the rain and wind and faraway the crashing of heavy waves on the shore. They sat there for what must have been hours shivering as the storm unleashed its fury on the island. In the dead of night it stopped raining and the wind grew calmer and there was only the lonely howling of the trees. The air blew over their cool bodies like a gentle deathly hand and for the longest part of the night they thought they would both die under the tree together. At the earliest part of the morning a cold silence fell over the island and they could see their breath and their eyes began to close. Then the birds were calling in the trees and the sun broke over the horizon bringing with it a new morning.
>>7366875
only read the first segment because it didn't hook me. the writing felt like alasdair gray's sections in 1982, Janine where the narrator is building a narrative for the fantasies he wants to fap to. this is neither a compliment or an insult. i have the suspicion you were trying to go for something else but your tone shot out in all directions.
I just got back from a random ass second hand bookshop with some absolute steals (pic related) and I want to see what you lot have been grabbing.
ITT we post our latest book haul (or download) and others judge us.
Just picked this up for four bucks in perfect condition. Feels good man.
>>7365568
What the fuck are those? Why do they matter? (Genuinely interested.)
My last Thrift Books order, for $10. I'm guessing the previous owner of the West never tried to read it.
Come on now! Share your poems!
>>7364359
Somewhere Between Vertov and Weerasethakul
Lights flicker as numbers count down
But never make their way to zero. Soon
The blank images are replaced by people
In motion. You can see the sweat of their brow or
The innocence of youth
Stolen by cannonfire.
The images continue to flicker
At 16, 24 frames per second.
They come to a standstill at Marker
And then move again. It is a motion
That can be paused
But never stopped.
>>7364379
I like the imagery
>>7364359
Poemis Experimentus
Der he is, the ancient gupis
Blood on my sheets, the beat
God has swept the earth, another sweep
Phones, decadence, super bleep.
Where dert are thou tragedy?
I shall conquer, never falter
The water swam like troibis fish
Running wildly, never to see foreign.
