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Daily reminder that it is disingenuous to pose as somebody you don't like in shitposting while reducing them to their most undesirable traits and ideological beliefs. Its rude and fallacious.
>>8123738
Wring picture
>daily reminder lying is fun
well, nuh, it's a books board.
>>8123738
Take the redpill, sheeple
I am planning on starting to read the works of James Joyce, probably in the order Dubliners->Portrait of the Artist . . . ->Ulysses->Finnegans Wake. What should I keep in mind as I'm reading so I can get the full experience? Are there any companion books I should read beforehand or alongside (I already plan to for FW, since I'll never be able to interpret it on my own)?
>>8123651
>companion books
Stop getting into Joyce as if he's some guy exclusive to the very top of the erudite circles. Just pick up the book and read. Trust me, you will enjoy him without the companion books. You can use those while rereading, though. Just don't suffocate yourself with key guides and excessive studies on the novels at the beginning, they will ruin the superb flow of his work for you.
Read and enjoy, he's truly one of a kind.
>>8123651
I think Dubliners and Portrait are accessible enough to jump right into them, although it's very important to read about the history of Ireland around the time they're written.
Two very important guides for Ulysses are Stuart Gilbert's book on Ulysses, and Gifford and Seidman's annotations to Ulysses. Although I hope you'll start off the book by just jumping right in and only reading those books after you've already digested enough Ulysses for yourself. And if on that first reading you're totally lost and have no idea what's going on, you can always just look online.
As for the Wake, this site here provides some good tips on getting into it and has some recommendations for "survival tools": http://www.fractiousfiction.com/finnegans_wake.html
Richard Ellmann's enormous Joyce Biography is essential and good to read whenever you want.
>>8123672
Okay. I was not too familiar with Joyce and his work beforehand, which is why I was approaching it that way, but if it's best just to read I will. Surely though I should at Keats have notes for Finnegans Wake? From what I've flipped through, it seems too obscure to be read straight.
>>8123706
Thanks for the recommendations! I'll read Joyce's Wikipedia article to get the bare context for Dubliners and Portrait and then just read. I'm excited to get started.
>Ah Frankie Sinatra, ah Frank Sinatra
>Frankie me boy don't know
>You have the perfect voice to sing calypso (what did they say?)
>Ah Frankie Sinatra, ah Frank Sinatra
What did they mean by this?
they spent 16 years trying to come up with the next stage of their sound, and ended up just making a c grade gorillaz song
>>8123620
Gorillaz didn't have MF Doom, so...
>>8123627
yeah they did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zFnaDH-PWc
Hey son ;)
Tell us about the book your reading! :*
FAG!
I have seen the face of God and he has abandoned us
>>8123579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUCUsNx1HTs
f-family dinner is a spook, i'll be in my room.
What is some essential cosmic horror?
>>8123456
>cosmic horror
>horror
Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
>>8123459
thats not what that is
Could you give some examples of books that fit the "cosmic horror" genre?
What are some short novels written by high brow authors?
I want to get into reading, but long texts are too intimidating and I don't want to read mundane YA shit.
>>8123455
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading/Literature_by_type
Look in the novellas section.
>>8123455
Dubliners
Ficciones
Billy Bud
Notes from the Underground
Mrs. Dalloway
The Death if Ivan Ilyich
Siddhartha
>>8123455
Tolstoy wrote a bunch of very straightforward short stories. Quite a few are allegorical and heavily christian.
Sevastopol Sketches is a fine starting point, and not as hamfistedly christian as much of his other short work. The Death of Ivan Ilyich is heavier, but still short and accessible.
What do you read when you're in need of some motivation or inspiration? I'm in need of some of that right now.
Pic related. I haven't read it since high school, but I found Civil Disobedience to be one of the most inspiring works I'd ever encountered. Mishima's Sun and Steel also helped motivate me to continue lifting and caring about fitness.
>>8123377
Emerson and Nietzsche
>>8123382
Anything in particular? I've read neither.
>>8123443
Everything in particular
Dear /lit/ I need your advice.
I want to buy a little collection of books for my sister. She has her 18th birthday this month and I want to give her some must reads.
Problem is, she has only been reading bullshit girl stuff until now so I can not confront her with something like Ulysses right away.
What would you suggest?
>>8123306
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Little-Black-Classics-Box-Penguin/dp/0141398876
Mrs. Dalloway
Some Shakespeare if she hasn't read it for school already
In my experience, chicks dig Hart Crane and Wallace Stevens
Dubliners is good for any young person
She might like the Romantics. Give her William Blake if you're daring.
But frankly, I always think this kind of thread is rather silly. You know her better than we do.
>>8123341
Yes but although I read a lot some of you might know a better book for beginners.
Thats why I am asking. To get some ideas.
Thanks so far.
Thoughts on the movie?
>>8123277
it was pretty good i thought the first time and then watched it stoned with friends and realized that the sound editing is really good, stuff like car honks in the background at the right times, and then I think I came to the conclusion that I can't envision a better dfw biopic
>>8123277
It caricaturized him to some extent but it's more subtle than people think.
Is there anyone who actually disliked the movie?
Is this book actually difficult to tackle or is it blown way out or proportion? I've been thinking about getting it but I don't want it to be something I never really pick up and enjoy.
Lots of the grief I hear about it comes from the encyclopedic chapters about whaling, as well as the length.
>>8123258
>Lots of the grief I hear about it comes from the encyclopedic chapters about whaling
That isn't even the driest part 2bh
Americans think it's terrible difficult but that's just due to their low standards.
It's somewhat dry in some parts, nothing more.
Start reading and find out. Personally I think it's both amazing and very fun.
>>8123195
Garbage genre fic
>>8123195
dfw would have read this book and hated himself for writing esoteric literary/genre fiction that is attempting to communicate similar things i.e. humanity but doing so in a way that is inaccessible and meant to exclude by nature of the genre, something he felt books like this didn't have and were better for imo
I'm halfway through the book now. Is it just the same throughout or what? I feel like there's no tension and when something cool happens, it's often ignored or written away, a la Kaladin losing his right arm and gaining it back in a few paragraphs.
Are there any good books yet about the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq/etc, and modern warfare in general?
Sorry for requesting post-19th century literature, /lit/.
>>8123183
I doubt it, we're still waiting on the dust to settle.
I'm still waiting on the Chilcot Enquiry. I'm also waiting on Tony Blair/etc getting hanged for treason, but hey, one thing at a time.
>>8123183
i liked the junior officer's reading club
>>8124042
>officer's
officers'
fuck
why are books always about people and their relationships (man v man, man v society, etc)? are there any good books about objects?
>>8123144
The Aleph - Borges
>>8123144
We can only regard "objects" in respect to their relationships to other objects. It's impossible to simply write a book about an object without writing about its relationships with other objects.
Why are so many venerated books, such as literary fiction or western canon books, so fucking relentlessly boring and long winded? It's maddening. They are put on a pedestal by the academia-media-publishing industrial complex for money / worship reasons.
Why is so much philosophy so fucking trivial? Why should I agree with Socrates that the unexamined life isn't worth living? All of the Greeks are just tools people use to appeal to authority or a prism through which people pass their own views for pseudo-intellectual cred ("Obama is no philosopher-king, as Plato talked about, therefore...").
It all seems like pretentious appealing to authority desu.
>muh pretentiousness
>muh acdemia-media-publishing industrial complex
>muh pseudo-intellectualism
Stop trying to justify being a pleb. It's about expanding your viewpoint and gaining some perspective.
Also, how is philosophy trivial when it's literally bout trying to understand life?
what a philistine
shame on you
>>8123124
>no examples given
Are we talking about philosophy? If so, are you expecting action in a discourse about the nature of...nature?
Are we talking about the Illiad, Odyssey, Plutarch's Lives, Thucydides, the Bible? They are action packed.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
post your fav short novels !
Lot 49
>>8123089
on a galactic scale, maybe
