>>7324903
>black straight hair
so, was oscar wilde gay?
I'm looking for the worst Iambic Pentameter prose of all time
>Give me your worst.
Yolo
>>7324781
>iambic pentameter prose
huh?
>>7324781
da DUM da DUM da DUM da DUM da DUM
>This is the most simple one, I can come up with.
Read 4 books by Camus to see why people like French existentialism. Enjoyed it thoroughly. (stranger, myth, rebellionresistancedeath, therebel)
Started reading Sartre. This guy is complete shit. No matter how I look at it, I don't understand why someone would agree or be moved. Can a pro Sartre fag here explain to me what I am missing?
>>7324700
>>7324700
Ok- let me get more specific.
I feel like Camus wanted to safeguard individualism but individualism that promotes open thinking and care for other humans. It's like he wanted to prove through philosophy that you can be moral without religion (without falling into the nihilism trap)
Wtf is Sartre on about?
You should start with Sartre's plays and short stories. Closed Door, The Flies, Dirty Hands, The Wall, etc.
>>7324761
i'm 3/4s through being and nothingness
What am I supposed to make of the Counter Force chapter?
Well that's a pretty broad question. Many things. Is there anything in particular you want to discuss? Of course it's a pretty crazy chapter.
>>7324668
I don't know, the long sections of fantastical vignettes threw me off. I sort of see what Pynchon was trying to accomplish with the text becoming more fragmented just as Slothrop in the zone was being split in to pieces so speak. And the novel ending with the crash of the rocket, completing the parabolic trajectory of the "screaming coming across the sky".
There were just some pages towards the end that I could not make sense of even though I didn't have too much trouble with the first 3 sections. Was wondering if anyone else had this experience?
>>7324668
What's the significance of Byron the Bulb?
What does /lit/ think of naturalism and realism?
Naturalism<<<<<Realism<Modernism.
(actually I don't have an opinion, I just wanted to bump)
>>7324658
Its depressing.
>>7324658
>realism
>look at me, I'm a perfectly normal person doing normal things. i might deviate slightly from the norm, but my story's being told thousands of times over. now read about it for thousands of dense, glacially-paced pages.
>naturalism
>holy fuck! look at how dirty and miserable those labourers are! their lives are a document of their era. now read about it for thousands of dense, glacially-paced pages.
Also, there's a dried wine stain glimmering in a beam of afternoon sunlight on an oak wood table somewhere in there.
I give you the Doorstop Trilogies /lit/
Whadya think? I'm open to suggestions.
there's no moby dicking in magic mountain. switch for dr faustus. or better: kafka's castle
Celebrity garbage. Try actually taking an interest in literature.
>>7324594
Looks pretty good.
modify book with spook
>the spook manifesto
>beyond spook and spook
>the sublime object of spook
Fuck off
Spook off
Quality thread, good job, proud of you.
Do I live inside a Raymond Carver short story yet?
>spend 5am-930am stocking shelves
>chat to coworkers in tiny lunchroom
>they talk about their dogs, their ill sisters, or another place going out of business and a friend loseing their job
>drive around in my grandpa's buick at night
>drink a can of strong beer by myself in a car in a parking lot
>go into library, guy singing to himself beside me, only discernable lyric is 'she's gone, she's gone'
>too poor to go anywhere
>don't really talk to anyone about anything much
>general feeling of unease
>>7324462
I live some of that. it's suffering. Are his stories like that? kinda interested. describe more Carver-like vignettes please.
>>7324468
idk
like a guy's wife tells him to move out, he lives in the top floor of a rented house. he finds the old land lady laying on the floor, in her room, but notices she is breathing so leaves her. he just drinks champagne for breakfast and always has the television, but not with any sound usually
or a guy gets laid off of his job, he gets dresssed everyday and lays on a couch all day watching television. his fridge breaks and his wife tries to cook everything
a recovering alcoholic lives alone in the house of another recovering alcoholic, he invites his estranged wife and she stays with him for the summer. he gets news he cant rent the houes anymore, the owner's daughter needs it. he has to move out and is seemingly terrified of that prospect
>>7324468
Voyeuristic fables from the American mid-west. Garbage. An iced-over puddle disguised as a lake. Carver is an obfuscator and an illusionist. Pure trash. Avoid.
>yfw Kant solved philosophy
>>7324388
Kant "solved" epistemology you mong (and even thats debatable).
>muh noumena
Here's a challenge: try watching this entire video.
Hard mode: Don't insult the asshat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2IwfWGs-Y
Fuck you and your meme author
>>7324370
Kill yourself
I was making this comparison between GR & SH5 while I was lying in bed this morning. GR is achingly beautiful throughout. My heart just came and came while I read it. SH5 has a great structure and some beautiful ideas but the book isn't a dense jungle of sweaty sexy lexical exuberance. I wish there was a combination of the two.Also: I like Slothrop/Mexico/Tchitcherine/etc. better than SH5's cast.
Be honest, how many of you are going to waste money on buying one of these monstrosities?
>>7324120
Why is the screen so narrow?
ew
>$349 or more
Jesus fuck, it has the functionality of a $20 plastic toy.
ITT the dumbest fucking names you've made up for characters in that novel you're working on
>Dr. Snathing Kohlslaus
>Anaïs Thumpkin
>Byrone Carmonagall
>Gertrude Bismarck
It still hurts to think about that one
>>7324094
Vendigo Honduras and Donovan Morgenstern
I think they're still good namesfor noir detectives going deep undercover as gay porn actors
>Jake Bidness
To be fair, it's an alias and it's established as being dumb in universe, but even then.
What's wrong with Fan Fiction?
I'm not asking what's wrong with most Fan Fiction out there (Like terrible prose, a poor grasp of grammar, etc.) but what's wrong with the concept of Fan Fiction?
Why do writers like G.R.R. Martin and Anne Rice basically demonize it?
GRR is afraid of being outdone. By a bigger autist, for instance, who'd both literally and figuratively weigh more, make up twice the genealogies and noble emblems (also known as world-building), and have every sunset find some character in a different sitting position, with bowel movements of various consistencies and flow rates, in exquisite detail described of course, not to mention footnotes on the viscosity, pH, microorganisms and trace elements found in whatever liquids are alimenting their corresponding outputs.
Anne Rice, well, case in point. Who remembers Anne Rice? Vampire romance! Get on with the times, old lady.
>>7324139
I disagree on Martin, he is enough of an austist to be like, this is MY world, I created it, and YOU cant have it. In my younger days of tabletop gaming, I knew some dungeon masters who would get extremely upset if you reused favorite characters from their campaign in your own, or even reused your own characters that lvled up in their campaign.
The real problem with fan fiction in the recent context is that we are not going to get short novellas in the world of say, Camus or Hubert Selby, or even something from classic film, like The Virgin Spring from the killers perspective. Considering hiro's liberality displayed, we are going to get /mlp/ and naruto fanfiction, and all that it entails
>>7324153
>be like
say, asshole. The word you're looking for is say
ITT= Overrated books
ITT: Books that you were forced to read in High School
>>7323998
>tfw no one forced me to read a book in high school
>>7323996
Books you are still not old enough to get
>tfw Gilgamesh achieved his eternal life through his epic
Are there any other good epics that take place before Christ?
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Mahabharata and the Ramayana
>>7323949
>Gilgamesh achieved his eternal life through his epic
Except he didn't. For him eternal life was being safe from the underworld, not some shitty recognition, shitty to say the least since he's nowhere near as well-known as Achilles.
