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Why are the epics of Charlemange, Orlando, etc, not as popular as other epics? I've enjoyed Orlando Innamorato and Furioso, but they pale in popularity to almost any other epic. Are they considered bad by literary standards?
Twelve Peers & co thread, I guess.
I would guess it's not the fault of these books, wich are well loved, but rather has to do with how highly popular are the other epics, wich i guess are the classics and the divine comedy. Those are consideres seminal works of whole literary cultures an epochs, after all
>>7706708
And on the twelve peers topic, i would love to see a higher dissemination of the many alternative tellings there are
>>7706725
Back when I started reading these, it really would have helped to have had discussions about the best translations, versions, whatever. I prefer the poetry feel over literal summaries so it was a bit of a chore to find what was what.
Literary awards rankings
1.Prince of Asturias
2.Manbooker
3.Pultizer
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4,699. Goodreads power gap
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∞ Nobel
discuss.
1. Goodreads Top 100 Most Popular
The awards are actually called "Princess of Asturias" now so I'm assuming you are talking about the old ones
They were/are 1. biased and 2. a wankfest memeshow
>wikipedia gets an award
>award for literature to "The people of Puerto Rico"
So I want to get into the Sherlock Holmes novels.
Where do I start?
The Greeks.
>>7706597
Start with the Sheryl Shellingford.
The novels and then the short stories.
>tfw i'm giving a speech/presentation on postmodernism at a liberal arts college and i have total control over the whole project
where do i even start? who would you consider to be the first postmodern author?
>>7706530
James Joyce, because calling Finnegans Wake modernist or "high" modernist makes no sense in the context of what every other modernist was doing.
The Tristan Shandy guy. But don't say that. Just say Joyce and let em fuck themselves.
everyone knows this is nietszche u plebber
Is there an alternative to Goodreads that's patrician-tier?
I don't want to see lists of "popular" books everywhere. I want taste similar to my own and that means taste which excludes Donna Tartt.
no.
>>7706518
add people wit patrician taste you dingus, like the handsome sebastian.
Every moment that you have to be near real, sexualyl active people must be a living hell.
I need you guys to give me some redeeming qualities about the Song of Ice and Fire series. Here's my 2c
>Read first book
Awesome world, awesome backstory. Honor and dignity, family and honor. Love thy neighbor... no wait...
>Read second book
Yeah fuck all that other stuff, every man for himself... with honor
>Read third book
No honor, lets kill the main characters
>Read fourth book
Lets talk about the least honorable people in the story
>Read fifth book
Everybody who hasn't stubbed their toe now has, all is for naught.
Can you guys tell me a character who hasn't undergone atrocities/10 chapters of talking about pointless bullshit? Or how about one that has actually done something meaningful without some sort of twist that makes it not meaningful? This spiral of meaninglessness is really making me queasy.
I dropped it after the cliffhanger to the third book (the one with zombie Caytlin or some stupid af shit like that.)
Thankfully, I dropped the tv show after season 2.
>>7706399
Hordor?
>>7706430
>Be 7'11 swole af
>A little bit simple but you know how things go
>Have to carry around cripple boy for 5 books
>MFW I'm the most redeeming character in the story
I'm looking for something to recommend my little sister. She only reads shit like "Banging My Billionaire Boss". I'd like to find something full of similar romantic, hypergamous hogwash but with something approaching decent literature.
Any recs?
Werewolf Billionaire
>>7706402
She already has that one.
I'd like to be hate-raped.
who is the richard linklater of /lit/?other than james joyce
>>7706315
tao lin or DFW. banal anti-art disconnected from the spiritual wealth of the cannon and european culture
>>7706319
a good try but inaccurate. linklater is neither anti-art nor disconnected from the european canon. his films are overwhelmingly european in style
Ayn Rand, DFW,Nitszche Joyce, the Greeks and the other memes that /lit/ knows.
>tfw decadent nihilist
can a lifestyle get more literary?
Yeah, you could write literature and have it published, I think that would be more literary.
A lot of drunks want to be writers but are just drunks.
Suicide after decades of failure is very literary.
Is he worth my time, or just a racist Islamophobe?
He's wrong, so don't listen to him.
>Islamophobe
>Disagreeing with the principles of a religion means you're pathologically afraid of it
>Implying that fear would even be irrational
>>7706302
>racist islamophobe
Anon, consider whether or not its worth your time reading anything but Jezebel articles and tumblr blogs.
This book is sitting in my gf's basement. Is it worth reading? How does Vonnegut rank amongst the greats?
Lesser Vonnegut. Has a puzzle at the end. You will like it in inverse proportion to the number of other KV books you have read. But any Vonnegut is a quick read.
>>7706294
>How does Vonnegut rank amongst the greats?
Compared to Joyce or Pound, he's not very high.
just did the first few chapters and some skimming throughout, don't enjoy his encyclopedic tendencies. can tell he's funny but holy shit a lot of it is dull
How can I improve my writing abilities?
I hope to one day publish a novel and I guess I'm "Okay" but I'm just not at the ability I need for putting my stories to paper.
Write every day.
>>7706287
I think that's the biggest problem though, I write, hate what I write, backspace and give up. Plus I have the dreaded ADD so theres that
>>7706353
Everyone hates their writing.
Just write godawful trash, post it here and get it torn apart and repeat until you aren't shit.
I think the real reason the whole feminism business is an annoying and loud business, and an invitation to a flame war is because of a tendency to depersonalize problems related to common decency and social norm. That is the reason feminism is a polarizing subject and also the reason why many people, at least on 4chan, Tumblr and social media are so asinine and cunty about it – in both sides. I believe that tendency is exclusively western, or at least judeo-christian.
What I mean by that is that most modern complaints by tumblr feminists and sjws in general is related to respect. The main cause of anger is according to a review by Berkowitz (I can post links if anon asks later) "kept from attaining an important goal by an external agent’s improper action" - namely, being treated in a way you perceive as wrong or unjust. So you are a woman, and a random nigger harasses you. Obviously that is not proper treatment, you are a middle class woman, that is far from polite behavior or what is to be expected from a man to you. The most direct and quick way of dealing with the matter would be calling Mr. Random Nigger an asshole and doing what you really want to do - beat him up, spit on him, treat him unpolitely.
I believe that would be dealing with the matter in a personal way. What I also believe is that our western society, which is mostly focus on a logical philosophical understanding of the world, that is frowned upon. The explanation to a problem just CAN'T, according to our world view, be SIMPLY that Mr. Random Nigger is an unpolite, uncivil, ill-mannered male. So theories and ideologies are constructed in order to explain that behavior. We get theories explaining how some kind of patriarchy is behind the whole scheme. That also speak to our christian sensibility, since the person is no longer to blame - you can reinforce the theory that "people are good, but this system is bad".
That's why you depersonalize the matter. No longer is Mr. Random Nigger a jackass, rather, we as a society have a problem. That will also appeal to judeo-christian vanity - when I speak of judeo-christian, I do in order to include the concept of slave and master morality, which, although flawed, is really good to explain a lot of stuff going on. This idea of "we as a society have a problem" would marry well with the slave morality's tendency to self-restraint and the mortification of the flesh - "O deliver us from our sin lord, our world is full of earthly pleasures hurpa durpa"
I take slave morality as a good model since it would also explain other behaviors that we can see in the people who are generally attracted to these groups - we all know how these people jerk to their victimhood, and how platonic is their relationship with reality, and its denial of a physical, grounded culture (that's why they are fat and blabla we all know what I'm talking about)
>>7706203
So roughly the discussion hijacks claims to equality that may be legitimate and intertwines them with claims that are probably ideological necessities in our western world view. These claims would be mostly stuff that puts the blame on men in general, as opposed of blaming the man in particular.
So up to now I’ve been explaining what is the real problem faced by feminists these days, which is roughly saying disrespect. Disrespect is obviously related to politeness, and proper social behavior, which comes from socialization. Socialization can be more or less successful, and I assume its success follows some sort of natural pattern with most people in the middle and some outliers. So once in a while we will have some Mr. Random Nigger who just has had a shitty upbringing and really does not respect what is accorded amongst middle class millennial America. Also, you’ll have those REAL outliers who will be your psychos, and violent men who had a decent upbringing but who’ll realize that millennial middle class America is just weak enough that he can actually get tremendous results if he uses of rough, violent means – I assume that the will of power is human nature and therefore, if you manage to actually ban some kind of violence, some smart fellow will simply reinvent it. So there are Mr. Random Niggers and Mr. Outliers out there who’ll just trample any kind of decency and harass women on the street in order to get some gratification as they do it.
The problem will mostly start when the woman harassed depersonalizes the problem and starts reproducing out loud the theory that the problem is dissociated from Mr. Nigger or Mr. Outlier. Rather it is patriarchy the real issue. “These two are symptoms of a larger disease”. That equates to pointing the finger at men in general.
So you’ll get a guy in the middle of the socialization curve who really treats people according to what society expects him to and he’ll go “WHAT?What the fuck did you just fucking say to me you little bitch (…)”. You can’t really blame him. He probably has lived his life up to this moment minding his words, restraining his behavior, all that to adhere to society’s norms. Now comes a green haired landwhale scream that he is a privileged shitlord and his privilege is indirectly responsible for the problem. Mr. Outlier back there is not a problem. Mr. Nigger back there is not a problem. No, YOU, middle class millennial male, who has been a raging virgin your entire life is INDIRECTLY responsible, as much as Mr. Nigger and Mr. Outlier. Clearly that is a invitation for this guy to be angry.
wew lad
>>7706207
Next thing you know he is on the internet complaining and being a real bitch about feminism. Yes, of course, rather than personally attacking the woman who claims him to be guilty, it is socially accepted that he depersonalize the problem and blame an entire movement, an part of it, or hell even the entire female sex. Now there will be a problem, since of course OBVIOUSLY, just as much as not all men are harassing women on the streets, not all feminists are spouting illegitimate accusations against men. “Most feminists are not like that”. And they are not, but many are. So no one can be right, and no one can be wrong, because the very understanding we have of the whole business is in half truths.
So ironically, I guess, the blame is to be put on the system, not on actual people.
So, yeah. Tell me what you think /lit/
So what does /lit/ think of this book?
>>7706135
Cocteau is okay. The writing in this was good. Nothing to brag to your friends about because you just discovered him. He has some good poems.
>>7706158
This is one of my favourite books, even though I haven't read any of his other stuff, because I find it frustrating reading translated poetry
Okay /lit/
I have a favor to ask you in regards of a book report I'm supposed to do.
The book is Othello and the question that I'm answering is :"Does Othello truly love Desdemona or does he view her as a item?"
Any information would be nice.
I spent three hours browsing Google Scholar and found nothing.
>>7706133
This play contains great poetry, is easy to read and is very short (plays are never too long). Just read it and write your own opinion.
>>7706165
I'm an awfully slow reader.
I have read it once already as well as watched the movie.
Also the school that gave me the assignment requires a minimum of three sources.
The sources is the one thing that's really giving me a hard time.
check out the homework board, I think it's just the place for you!
>>>/hm/
