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>main character is a writer
>>8205435
>main writer is a character
>main character is the primary focus of the book
>characters
"I think the word pretension has become like the word ironic – just this catch–all term to distance people from interesting experiences and cultural engagement and possible embarrassment. Pretension can lead to other things. You know, the first time I read Gravity's Rainbow, I did so because I thought it would make me seem cool. That was my original motivation. But now I've read it six times, and I find it hilarious and great and I understand it. You can't be afraid to embarrass yourself sometimes."
lmao just open that image and actually look at his face and then re-read that
>>8205408
now that's what I call kek
>>8205398
James Murphy is dope.
>this catch–all term to distance people from interesting experiences and cultural engagement and possible embarrassment
That's spot on. I have certain friends who have pleb taste in everything and whenever I try to share something with them that I enjoy, they say I'm pretentious for liking it. Liking things that are perceived as high(er) culture is not automatically "pretentious".
I think it is ultimately a way for the speaker to call the other person's authenticity into question when they feel insecure about their own personal taste. e.g. "My friend likes x but I don't understand it. It's not possible that someone could actually have more sophisticated taste than me. (to paraphrase Hobbes- everyone thinks he is the most wise because he perceives his own wit at hand and others' at a distance) Therefore, my friend is being "pretentious".
It's really too bad. It's part of a general trend against the arts/humanities. Anyone with a genuine interest in literature, music, film, art, whatever is immediately labeled as pretentious by peers.
>You know, the first time I read Gravity's Rainbow, I did so because I thought it would make me seem cool. That was my original motivation. But now I've read it six times, and I find it hilarious and great and I understand it.
This is really fucking true. People don't realize that your taste will always stay shit unless you force yourself out of your comfort zone.
Oh boy, anon, it's the book fair! What're you going to get?
captain underpants and shitty joke books
Mein kampf or the communist manifesto. What about you?
Ripley's believe it or not and a race car eraser my man
How do you approach a book /lit/?
Just pick it up, read it, take your interpretation, and leave it?
Research the book a little so you're primed to understand the common interpretation of a book?
Read it and research it after to support or deny your own interpretations?
Do these things changed based on the scope of the book? Say, 1984 vs. Finnegan's Wake?Or do you just not read and shitpost instead?
>>8205353
Usually I read it and then later I read some stuff that other people wrote about it. Then if I have the time and inclination I might read it again.
>>8205353
>Find book
>Check wikipedia page/goodreads
>browse through random pages
>buy book
>read
I do this if I'm buying Crime and Punishment or Garfields Greatest Hits. It's a bad habit I know.
I've learned to enjoy books instead of fret over their meaning. Oddly, result has been an improvement in my own ability to abstractly and uniquely interpret and analyze books. Sometimes I do get curious and read other stuff about the work but only after I finish.
Do people like this actually exist in the world?
How many people are like me, neurotic and anxious af and high af and high as I write this? Fucking stoned, dude. You know that IJ Ken Erdedy type-shit? I need a fucking hug. I need to embrace the new sincerity. 3 weeks ago I thought of making a post like this, and I even wrote a word doc about it, a couple thousand words, and now I feel like a dick for even mentioning this and cringing at the thought of this stream of consciousness wank-job.
Should I post that?
Basically, as i'm working my way up the western "grekker" cannon, and i'm wondering (ironic [what does it even mean])]]] just a lonely bisexual fuck.
I'm developing theories that I cringe and refuse to revisit and learn about the next day btw.
Oh btw I have a five-time-revised 130000 coming of age novel and i love judd apatow.
Also im thinking about copypastas after that last line
And i have an even better unpublished novella murder mystery
Onee person i showed said i should screenwrite.
the other person said nothing.
should i post that?
im a finance major that wishes he was english and doesnt know and hav egf.
help
PIC HEAVILY RELATED
What?
DUDE
>>8205363
DUDE... IS IT YOU? ARE YOU ME? seriously though, sincerely, is it you. i want to open up. are u like me
I mean as a collective entity, not an individual.
a miserable pile of secrets
>>8205193
Deep...
What's your tumblr name?
>collective-individual dichotomy
Preferably on contemporary issues i.e. feminism, immigration policies, the European crisis etc.
pic related, I read it as a teenager and served as my roots to conservatism. Would recommend.
>>8205026
Just finished Mein Kampf and Schopenhauer's 'On Women' and I have to say they've changed my life.
We need to fight degenerate Bolshevism and get women back in the kitchen where they belong.
Deus vult, brother. Remember to praise Lord KEK
decent chart
>>8205040
>get women back in the kitchen where they belong
you've internalized a false narrative
Post your typewriter pics and just discuss typewriters in general!i'm not even sure if this is the right board, but w/e
Anyway, just acquired this gem recently, a 1930s era Underwood Champion Portable.
oh fuck it's a pic for ants lemme fix that
>>8205003
how long did it take you to adapt from typing with a computer keyboard to typing equally fast with those small round keys? they seem like a pain in the ass to hit
What a thread.
Cen you get literally mad from taking postmodernist philosophy way too seriously?
Only if you get spooked out of your wits.
>>8204962
postmodernism isn't a style, theory, or discipline. it is a culture, and you're part of it
>>8205165
Bro you are a retard
How come nobody reads Cooper anymore?
I don't know once metal containers replaced barrells we didnt have much use for em anymore
I have read his literary offenses. After that, I didn't care to read anything he had to write!
>>8204952
I dig the action and setting in his books. I think Twain really killed his influence with that essay.
What theories of intelligence does /lit/ subscribe to when recognizing or ascribing psuedo-intellectualism in works of art or in people?
What qualities are most telling of psueds to you, or are the most annoying, and why?
I don't even know anymore, everything seems ironic to me
I think it's when you get older and realize in a certain way that we are all a little bit The Bassoon King
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"'There are many things fit for a man’s personal study, which are not fit for University examinations. One of these is “literature.”…[We are told] that it “cultivates the taste, educates the sympathies, enlarges the mind.” Excellent results against which no one has a word to say. Only we cannot examine in tastes and sympathies.'"
"Since then, literary “science” has yielded many genuine discoveries. Biographical scholars have uncovered salient facts about authors’ lives; textual scholars have hunted down corruptions introduced by copyists, printers, or intrusive editors into what authors originally wrote. But for most students, especially undergraduates, the appeal of English has never had much to do with its scholarly objectives. Students who turn with real engagement to English do so almost always because they have had the mysterious and irreducibly private experience—or at least some intimation of it—of receiving from a work of literature “an untranslatable order of impressions” that has led to “consummate moments” in which thought and feeling are fused and lifted to a new intensity. These ecstatic phrases describing aesthetic experience come from Walter Pater, who was writing in Oxford in the 1870s—at just that “point of English history,” as T.S. Eliot put it, marked by “the repudiation of revealed religion by men of culture.” This was also the moment when English first entered the university as a subject of formal study."
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1979/04/05/it-makes-you-wonder/
(Full article isn't free, sorry.)
>>8204885
>(Full article isn't free, sorry.)
Then why post it, you fucking retard?
>>8204885
Are you trying to decide whether to study English or not? You can try watching one of those Yale OCW courses to see what it's like.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4A35EEAEE3880943
I love Don Quixote and I was eager to read it again along with watching that guy, who must be one of the best lit professors in the world. However, I found myself getting bored a lot, seeing how he talks a lot about literary critics, philosophy of aesthetics, other Spanish authors and Spanish culture. All of it was interesting, but it wastes a lot of time. You can easily find a book of criticisms, look up on the internet all of the references and be way more efficient.
If you want to study literature at uni go for classics.
>>8204885
>These ecstatic phrases describing aesthetic experience come from Walter Pater, who was writing in Oxford in the 1870s—at just that “point of English history,” as T.S. Eliot put it, marked by “the repudiation of revealed religion by men of culture.”
Is the author trying to suggest that as religion was increasingly rejected by the university educated, the need for spiritual fulfilment found itself satisfied in aesthetic experiences?
What do you think of online lit journals/magazines? Favourites?
>>8204797
The New Yorker is the only fiction worth reading online. Anything else is just a waste of data.
>>8205046
cancer
>>8205063
>Doesn't even prove me wrong
You probably haven't read so much as a sentence from an online journal.
I wrote a fifty page short story composed of onomatopoeia called "Nigger is the Nigger of the World" and my professor called my prose problematic. What do?
>>8204749
Stop posting bait threads.
>>8204750
What's with these homies dissin my girl?
>>8204749
Your prose is probably shit.
has any philosopher even wrote that God maybe created by humans and that ancient gods not longer exists because humans stopped believing in them?
What if pol summoned an ancient God (KEK)?
that things exist because that's what people believe to exist is called the consensus theory of truth. the first part of your sentence i sadly fail to comprehend.
The gods of Theros in the Magic: the Gathering mythos are products of belief.
That ain't philosophy/literature though.
Praise Kek.
sounds like something PKD could conceivably have written about
