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Memes can be best understood in analogy with unicelluar life. In my perception, as a "dialectecal materialist" rather than a Cartesian "All is dead matter" naturalist, I do not see a single cell as an organism. Unicellular reproduction generally results in virtual clones, so a population of unicells is almost as genetically uniform as a multicellular one. These unicells communicate with each other by means of hormones and pheromes, and act as a unit.
Recent studies have shown deep similarities between the way natural language functions among groups and the way other natural systems function (such as a disease virus). Language systems behave as living organisms in the way they maintain homeostasis across their populations. The mechanism by which they transmit the information is the same way group perception is maintained, "chatter", like a cloud of pheromes, which constitutes the routine 90 % of communication. This living being, language, may itself have less awareness than a virus or a photon, or it may have a deeper structure. I have seen a few maps and models which might describe such, but I am literally agnostic about that question. What I am nearly 100% confident of, in terms of verifiable knowledge, is the lifelike behavior of language.
>>8136566
Language arose well before individual group consciousness became the norm. The ancestors originally thought by means of images. Image. or archtype dominated awareness prevailed for a long time after we started productively chattering and growing the base of routine universal code. Slowly, individuals bagan to actually use this language internally to think. When this state spread thruough the majority of the popluation, a quantum jump occured. A measure of the difference in mentality between verbal thinkers as they evolved, and surviving image dominated populations, is remembered in stories of soul-less elves, "who know not what they do, or why!" I suspect, such jumps occured time and again as language evolved and or linguistic consciousness devloped. I think some people today are "Philosophical zombies" or "skinnerian robots" and one such variety may be those who still think only in images, archetypes, and gut.
This is my third post tonite if you missed the one at the bottom of page two. I will continue.
>>8136568
From what I have read of the populations of Australia, and to a lesser extent, the Americas, such group onsciousness may have dominated until contact. But it also appears that such mimetic systems, once they have evolved, spread by contagion, transforming even populations that are not yet otherwise cuulturally, or possibly even psychologically adapted to it.
The phenomenae Jayne observed in his work on the bicameral mind was the emergence of the concept embodied in the pronoun "I", which he saw indicative of the emergence of individual consciousness, yet does not appear in the earlist books of Genesis or the entire Illiad. I suspect by this time the change was linguistic, and represented a focusing of individual consciousness so exstreme it made the memes of an individual more important than the group meme. Before this, in the Illiad and Odyssey, they speak of shame, which is something one feels in relation to others. After that, they speak of guilt, which follows one to the wastelands. The actual transition to verbal consciousness, much less its first emergence in some twinspeak, were, I suspect, much earlier.
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>>8136572
What comes next? I am having a hard enough time time figuring out what is going on now. Writing and reading, which reconnects language to visual imagery, made for a powerful intensification of mental imagery. In my own personal experience, I started habitually running an internal dialogue only after I had learned to run one by visualizing imagery to accompany what I read, and words in my thoughts are, on a subliminal level that occasionally makes itself obvious, always accompanied by an image, even if that image is only the letters which spell it. Marshall McLuhan, whose account of historical psychology starts where Jaynes stops, said the printing press was caused by people reading more, rather than visa versa, and that each subsequent media invented revolutionized our thought processes and social relations.
To take any more about the future, I would have to change my analogy for the life-like qualities of language from the "emotional plague" model of Wilhelm Reich to the mimetic ecology theories of Robert Anton Wilson and others, and even then I would just be laying groundwork before I could make any meaningful predictions about the future. All that I can say for sure about the future is that the future is...
>be /lit/izen for some years now
>randomly go to /an/ to ask a random question
>educated discussion with arguments and scientific references
>minimal shitposting
>stimulating and thought provoking overall experience
>mfw
>>>/an/2138614
you guys should be ashamed. i am.
How funny that your post is what you imply /lit/ to be like.
Perhaps it cannot be helped.
>>8136417
what cant be helped, lit and its shittyness or my naive expectations?
>>8136461
your inability to self-examine
Where to start with Evelyn Waugh?
WAAAAAAUGH
At the end.
Waugh isn't a woman? Jesus christ.
>Her cunt became the world
what did he mean by this?
>>8136056
That everything in GoT is an allegory for a vagina
>>8136056
It was his way of showing what a poor writer he is.
That might be a Gass quote haha
Is it modern? Is it postmodern? Is itliterature?
It's a damn fine book.
>>8135844
It's modernism which takes a punch at many postmodern techniques and subverts them, so a jumbled, almost chaotic narrative with an unreliable narrator has a message that God orders this world like an engineer and we can see his handywork if we look past the surface.
>>8135844
>literature
>Fantasyshit
Take a guess
This is actually shit and has no deeper meaning except surface entertainment.
>>8135799
yeah who cares its pretty fun
>DUDE THE SPICE LMAO
>LIKE DUDE WHY AREN'T YOU A MENTAT RIGHT NOW? LMAO
>DUDE I MIGHT BE THE KWISATZ HADERACH LMAO
>>8135799
What is "All Fiction Ever"?
>>8135803
Would you say that something like Don Quixote or other literature is also like this just because it's fiction ?
Because that's false
It's only genre fiction
/lit/ tell me something about this rumanian writer, poet and essayst.
>>8135493
Quite good. Lulu is amazing though.
>>8135493
I know this is slightly off topic, but could anyone rec me some Romanian literature? Poetry/novels/philosophy/whatever I don't mind
>>8135685
I haven't read much Romanian literature, but Emil Cioran, Mircea Eliade and maybe Paul Celan (although he wrote in German mostly) come to my mind.
Has anyone on /lit/ read the whole of In Search of Lost Time? Is it as good as they say? How difficult is it?
I read the first few pages on the internet once and nothing about the style seemed difficult, I think I'm apprehensive about starting it purely because it's so long.
daily reminder that you have to read it in french
>>8135460
Just got them half an hour ago, I'll start reading on it tonight.
I've seen people complain about it being difficult or 'boring', but that were mostly people who only read YA or chicklits otherwise.
It seems to deal a lot with inner monologues and stuff, but if you're remotely well read, that shouldn't be anything new.
>>8135460
>/lit/
>Actually reading books and not just talking about them
Does it deserve to be part of the meme trilogy?
muh board culture
>>8135440
yes
>>8135986
Why?
hello /lit/
what are some ways I can gain more time to read? i spend most of my time trying to gather enough money to survive.
Intelligent people overwork themselves quickly to the point where they're disabled and can't work anymore. Then, they are granted neet-dom by their benevolent governmental social services program.
>>8135294
get welfare + become NEET
>>8135301
how to become neet pls?
I'm looking for top notch journalism. In-depth, well researched and beautifully written articles and essays.
Where should I look /lit/? Content is less important than quality. If you have journal or magazine recs I'm into that.
To keep the thread alive post your favorite article/essay.
Pic unrelated
>>8135177
All memery aside, DFW wrote some quite interesting essays that are worth a read IMO.
>>8135177
Read Harpers and the New Yorker and related publications for that type of shit. Don't listen to pseuds who say Hunter S. Thompson because that dude was a meme author who apparently plagiarized his quotables (I just discovered this first hand). His writing is tedious and boring as fuck in his professional journalistic pieces. I would recommend Wallace Thurman from previous readings and of course any of the modern classics, like Arthur Miller, etc. But, I'm not extremely well read, though I've been through a share of classics and some obscure titles.
This is something I had to read as an undergraduate and it opens your mind up to a lot, including post-modern dialogue: http://innovate.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Winner-Do-Artifacts-Have-Politics-1980.pdf
>>8135177
>beautifully written
Beauty has nothing to do with "top notch" journalism.
inb4 you backtrack
Recently just read this book for the second time. Not a pedo, but I cried somewhere around 3/4's of the way in. It's just so sad, he loves her so much. She's everything to him and....yeah bros. I wish I could have what he has, but I don't believe in love anymore.
Anyway, did anyone know what he meant by "the nerves of the book" that he mentioned in the afterword? He specifically mentions certain parts - such as the list of Lolita's classmates and the way Charlotte says the word "waterproof", among others. What, unironically, did he meant by this?
Also, in a more general sense, I get this feeling like I'll never know all the ideas and levels of Lolita because it is simply such an elaborate piece of art. I'll never know why Nabokov wrote it, nor what it means at its heart, or anything like that - it gives me a sense of dread. I feel as if extremely high-art books like these are the most complicated puzzles known to man - and anyone who is able to solve their mystery will have an almost mythical power. I read because I'm still looking for the way out of this place.
Anyone else feel the same way?
>>8135157
if this isn't already a pasta it just became one
>>8135157
>Doritos, light of my life, cheese on my fingers. My hunger, my munchies. Do-ree-toes: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Do. Ree. Tos. It was chips, plain chips, during lunch, weighing one-point-eight ounces in one hand. It was Cheesy Nacho for snacks. It was Cooler Ranch at school. It was Salsa Verde in the shopping line. But in my mouth it was always Doritos
>>8135157
it is natural for men like you to crave the validation of their existence and get depressed if they fail to feel relevant, responsible.
The best way for a man to cater his need for approval is to serve some woman (and some of her children) through emotional&financial support.
Men are pleased to contribute to someone else life, to support their family.
Why women are a good way to feel relevant? Because women love to be provided for and each woman will always find a man ready to please her.
[for most men, the best feeling of feeling real is when the girl moans from your cock in her pussy]
THe problem for men is that they are disposable in the eyes of each woman, since all men wish to serve the few women who talk to them.
Men must thus invent several ways to please women, invention and creativity which strengthen their feeling of being worthy, relevant, in touch with reality.
Men are too impotent to find other way to feel real.
Once that the a woman replaces a man by another provider, the man gets very upset and depressed.
THis leads men to think that they are better than women, stronger, smarter and that they must built a life outside women. Some men manage to indeed built an empire, but they will always loos it for some women.
Women give meaning to men and betas, no matter how successful outside women, will always give up everything for some relationship with some woman who claim to fancy them.
Good Evening /lit/,
I was wondering, especially if any femanons are available, if anyone could recommend books or literature for better understanding women. Not for "picking up" women or other vain pursuits, but for literally understanding the feminine mind better. I've spent time in the Navy and been around mostly men and now I want to branch out and make legit friendships with females that go beyond right swipes on Tinder. Thanks!
I would recommend autobiographies or memoirs to start with, which could allow you to connect with a real woman as opposed to a fictional one. Unfortunately I haven't read many myself so I don't know which ones to recommend. What sort of women would you like to get to know?
Remember that no matter how close to home some characters can hit, in the end they are still fictional characters. Not many people are as interesting as the one's we find in books. If you'd like to get to know irl women more, your best bet is to talk to them. If you want to talk to them about books they might have read, any list of famous women authors could point you in the right direction. Thank you for your service and good luck, anon!
Margaret Atwood writes engaging, accessible fiction with a focus on women. She might be a good place to start.
>>8134754
>femanons
i miss the days we called em cumdumpsters
when did that change
who can i blame
>what was Aragorn's tax policy?
>no discernible talent/fetishist man wants to pretend he knows shit about taxes or anything economy related
heh
What did he have to say about taxes?
I've steered clear of his works
>The Jew is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
Why haven't any atheists read the Summa Theologica? Are they afraid their pride will be injured? Everyone knows the five ways are grounded in the larger work, and yet every day we have fedoras on here claiming to have refuted them so hard they don't need to read the book.
disregard your irony the cosmological argument is still pretty strong, he didn't invent it though, it all stems from the greeks
>>8134442
Because they don't realise that they run on faith too, it's placed on science instead of the absolute
>>8134480
>Because they don't realise that they run on faith
wut
certainly they are not scientific because they cannot be proven (quite a lot of the most interesting things cannot be proven and can be only gussed) but it doesn't mean they are based on faith, it's sound philosophical speculations
