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Why does it feel better to read a book when I purchase it new? I've bought used books before and stolen library books but I don't feel the same urge to read them like new books.
Does anyone else have this feel?
Consumer guilt
Buyer's remorse
Yup. I feel the same way. I've purchased used books, taken some from the library (and checked some out), and none of them compare to reading a new book I've purchased. It's probably a bit childish, but oh well. Might have to do with some engrained capatilistic mentality. Or maybe it's something more simple. Just the knowledge that the book is really YOURS makes you want to read it more. But maybe that's the same thing (property, etc). Maybe it has something to do with value; "I spent good money on this, so I'm sure as fuck going to enjoy it."
It's a lot like having sex with women, actually. Banging some loose chick isn't nearly as satisfying as a taking someone's virginity. It's more "special". Hell, I mean we fetishize virgins. And I'm not saying certain people don't prefer women (or men) who sleep around. Of course that's a thing too.
I'm rambling. But that's what I've got.
>>8192516
>mfw from now on when i read a used book i'm going to feel like im fucking a dirty whore
thanks anon... thanks
Can you understand philosphy without studying it at a college?
>>8192137
Can you really be called a shitposter if you wipe every time?
I can tell you, college makes it less work. Having a guy explain it to you as your reading it is a major plus.
Just jumping into philosophy feels like learning a new language unless you are really fucking smart.
You can only understand it if you vote leave and read Kierkegaard
What's the difference between a strong female protagonist and a mary sue? What's the difference between a strong female protagonist and pandering to the feminist demographic? It seems like any time I see a strong female protagonist she will be accused of being those other two things.
strong female protagonists are easy to pick out because the feminists will call them "women hating"
>>8192120
>It seems like any time I see a strong female protagonist she will be accused of being those other two things.
Further proof that the Patriarchy still rules in 2016.
You know strong women, like real life strong-willed women?
Like that.
Anyone in here who's actually open-minded enough to have read this? What did you think?
Have your read more of de Beauvoirs bokoks, and what do you think of her work?
>>8192068
Never read it (don't go near French pseuds) but I have masturbated to a picture of her ass before
Hope that helps
>>8192068
I really like The Second Sex. I like that she implicates women in her critique and holds them accountable while also shedding light on the evils of patriarchy.
>>8192085
Unless you want to be a sexist pig you MUST masturbate to a picture of JP Sartre now. No excuses.
what does /lit/ think of George Saunders?
I mean, he's pretty much the best living short story writer we have, but the amount of MFA students that want to be him is frankly annoying.
>>8191894
Love him. At the same time, I consider him a bit overrated. The amount of attention he receives versus other great contemporary short story writers is pretty crazy.
>>8191929
who are some other short story writers that you would recommend?
Memoirs of Hadrian
I am considering this book for my next reading. What are the thoughts of those of you who have already read it about the work?
From what I can tell from first glimpses into the volume, it is a very elegant and classic-textured prose text.
>>8191267
Sounds brilliant. I hadn't heard of it.
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>>8191267
>a women writer
Into the trash it goes
>>8191292
A funny thing: you probably read a lot and are proud of your knowledge. You probably consider yourself to be above the average of other people in intelligence, sensitive and creativity. You had a good education and is now starting to discover for yourself books of poetry, philosophy and history. You are also thinking that, further down the road, it will be good to learn the basics of the sciences, to increase your education.
And yet you deem half of the human population unworthy of intellectual pursuits based on nothing but your own opinions and a history of oppression and non-inclusiveness that was still functioning in civilized countries still into the 50s and 60s, and that still operates in many parts of the world.
So, how can you be proud of your mental potential when you can’t even have the capacity to nest yourself inside the skin of others, to have empathy and see the world thorough the existence of others? How can you be so blind as to simply deny the great achievements of women (that are starting to grow more as they are now possessing, at least on paper, the same rights as men), or deny the history of oppression that has been a mark of human civilizations for almost all of our existence?
I do not see you getting very far in your artistic or intellectual ambitions.
As the title says how do I learn it?In a way I already love it but just have hard time doing.I either get sleepy or just reread the same sentence over and over.Perhaps I have problems with concentration and if do how can I solve them?
>>8191030
Erase all distractions. Then focus on reading
>>8191030
I dont watch anime because it makes me cringe and I barely even play video games.I dont understand why you are so angry but whatever. Hope you fix whatever problems you have.
Looking for books about jazz. I got the obvious ones, History of Jazz by Ted Giola and the Autobiography of Miles. What else should I get?
What is the best book about Coltrane?
Novels with jazz as theme, as well as other kinds of literature are encouraged too. I remember Julio Cortazar writing a lot about jazz.
>>8190507
I love jazz!
Davis, Coltrane, the list could go on...
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>>8190507
Read Adorno, he was redpilled
>>8190524
Just because they're popular doesn't mean that they're bad. Also, they're pretty important too, I'd even say that they're essential for any jazz fan.
How do we fix art, /lit/? And I mean all forms of art. Painting, sculpture, architecture, music, literature...
>>8188749
By taking off our fedoras one at a time.
>>8188749
1. Destroy Capitalism
>>8188749
Define art
Write what's on your mind
>tfw no literary gf edition
There are so many pretty songs with poignant lyrics out there. When I try to write, it's just not as good. People with almost no English knowledge have written some of the most piercing and insightful things, while I a native can't come close. It's frustrating. I want to write beautiful shit. But it's just shit!!!
I think that I can only visualize things by appealing to schematisms that already exist in my brain. I was trying to picture a lighthouse from an RTS video game, and I noticed that I could make it spin around, with its lighthouse beam, really rapidly in my mental image, BECAUSE I had done that in the game by flailing the mouse around really quickly. But when I tried to spin it around on its other axis, I had trouble visualising it without abstracting from it or "blurring" it and just "assuming the movement took place."
So I tried visualising a wireframe cube, and seeing how fast I could manipulate it without this intuitive abstraction taking place. Slow speeds were fine, but once I started imagining it moving really quickly, I could only see a vaguely spikey blur. When I made it go super fast, with a spin rate up to infinity, it took off toward the "viewer" (my mind's eye perspective) like Junk Rat's wheel in Overwatch, without me intending for it do to that.
So I wonder if I can only think in schematisms that I "got from somewhere." The cube had properties even when I tried to just imagine some ideal Kantian cube. The wireframe was bulky and coloured, like something rendered on a computer, and would bow inward like computer-rendered tesseracts I've seen before. When it became a spikey blur, it evoked a similar schematism somewhere in my memory based on the vague visual of a spinning spikey object, the Junk Rat wheel, and did a type of movement specific to that object (that is, its schematism). Which also reminds me of Goron Link from Majora's Mask.
I love stream of consciousness writing. I could take a pen to a page and bullshit will just flow out of me. I just wish I still had the drive to write actual narratives. I just don't. I get one chapter in and then I think the premise is stupid or I get bored of the story. I've only ever written a collection of short stories that turned into a novel but I've never done one, congruous story. The passion for writing is there but the problem I have is discipline.
Maybe I should go to college. I would love to be forced to read and write in intelligent ways again. It's been six years since I graduated high school and like many people on this board I've been doing my own reading and writing my thoughts down in my journal. I constantly come up with story concepts I would love to flesh out. I love developing characters and mythos and worlds but when it comes to putting the thing together all my dedication slips through my fingers. It's almost like I like them better as scattered thoughts and by organizing them I'm losing a part of it. So I free write. Because insane ramblings of thought on page is the only medium I can stick with.
Good Tumblr post I guess. I'm just bitching at the wind. I'm sure if I actually tried I could write a book. Maybe one day /lit/
Simply, up-to-date authors the most relevant to real life
Prove me wrong.
>write a super vague villain
>apply his example to everything you don't like
>mfw people get upset at her opinions instead of how desperate she is to stay relevant and end up giving her more attention
>>8187919
i.e., Trump is literally Hitler.
How do you deal with the fact that you thought you were smart, and that in your discussions with people they tell you that you are a genius, but really you are just a stupid person who was slightly clever (not the same thing as intelligent) and this confused those who actually are intelligent to think that you are highly intelligent, even more so than they are?
I wanted to write books and essays, to tell the world my stories and ideas, but I just realized that they're all useless and even if utility doesn't factor into it none are even entertaining, unique, or informative, at least beyond anything any other has said to the world.
I want very badly to die now because I know I will never write a word that will make anyone weep, or laugh, or think, that I've only gotten by this far by subconsciously constructing a ruse of intelligence by manipulation and clever calculation of others' responses to certain actions and words.
Everything I have read and written is meaningless now. I just want to go crawl into a hole until I shrivel into the nothingness which waits inside of me to rear its ugly head in my abhorrent first book which will showcase my stupidity to anyone who reads it.
what's wrong with being stupid. can't do anything about it. also if you are actually stupid, would you really be able to tell how stupid you are?
>I know I will never write a word that will make anyone weep, or laugh, or think, that I've only gotten by this far by subconsciously constructing a ruse of intelligence by manipulation and clever calculation of others' responses to certain actions and words.
if you have constructed such a ruse, then you already know you have the skills to cause those reactions in at least some people. i don't see the problem.
Dude just write for yourself. You obviously like your own writing. Or did at some point before you started comparing it to other folks. You don't write for other people you dweeb. You write because you have something in you that needs out.
Just start free writing for the sake of writing. It helps build your voice and is fulfilling. If you really want to refine yourself go to college and start studying English. They'll give you books to read by people who do exactly what you aspire to do.
You just want to kill yourself not because what you want is impossible. You want to kill yourself because you'd have to actually work to get to where you want to go. Congratulations man, you aren't a fucking genius and that is fine. You are stuck down here with the majority of us and that can make you fucking relatable in your writing if you just take the time to learn about it rather than expect yourself to be an immediate master.
So quit being immature about it man, just write for yourself.
>be awkward kid for nearly my whole life so far
>don't have many friends growing up
>as a result spend thousands of hours reading, watching movies and documentaries, reading wikipedia, reading magazines and generally just learning a decent amount about history and culture
>talk with people
>they assume I'm smart because I know who somebody is
I know that feel OP. I'm of pretty average intelligence I think but my whole life people have called me smart because they saw me reading or because I won my elementary school's spelling bee. Then it fills your ego up and you try to write something, either fiction or a review or criticism or what have you, but it sucks and the standards you and others have put in place for yourself make it so painful to know that it sucks. I hate this.
ITT: Books that ruined your life.
I'll start.
>>8186684
Nietzsche fucked me up.
I took the 'Will to Power' to its logical conclusions in certain situations.
Explanations of your posts would be of interest.
Can you answer for the 20th century /lit/? Why, with the exception of Ulysses, did it produce nothing even approaching the greatness on the scale of Moby Dick, Middlemarch, or Portrait of a Lady? 21st isn't shaping up too hot either.
What planet do you think you're living on?
Read:
Camus
Cioran
Chesterton
Debord
Beckett
Steinbeck
That's just off the top of my head desu. There's also particular novels like Catch-22, Great Gatsby and Brave New World.
>>8186562
I went to hs too darling, none of these are great, some are straight up bad, and most are short or not even novels.
>>8186575
>Everything I've read is bad so nothing is good
>Only Ulysses is good
Don't bite the hook
Hey /lit/ let's have a practice lap on our writing skills. Post a pic and the anon below it writes 1 or 2 paragraphs. If you want you get to choose one of your liking instead. If you're not in the mood to write feel free to just post a pic you want done
I'll go first from the one I chose for the thread
inb4 it's a .gif
>Death light, faint shot trough the plexiglass intertwined and bricked asymmetrically, dispersed well coating fairly bad the kitchen turned living room. Fruited bottles of glass, oranges and lemons - print, the water protruded directly from bottle’s head to his own around his closed lips, refreshing. This is our inheritance he thought - our shared experience - summer air is always stale.
>>8183367
The big ugly fatass that lived in this house was clearly a druggist of the discerning sort, the crawlspace outside was filled with childish weeaboos and the quality of his hairstyle was evident from the tiny bed behind the cabinet. Gravy lungs were pleasant along the coarse edges of the needle that he lovingly plunged into his throat at every possible opportunity, and the coursing heat that stunned his veins served to energize him for another steady night of vorarephilic happenstance.
The children he tended to were his whole life, his schooling held him in high esteem with the community, they seemed to absorb from him all that he could teach to them, he wondered why such eager minds were left laying fallow in his prideful consideration of the generation he shepherded. He eventually came to the conclusion during his career that his life should never surmount immaturity, and he would always leave his mind a marshmallow dream, sticky, waiting to snare any new information, webbing it all into a uniformity that spiders envied. His name was Jardon Scathe, the year was 30X3
