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Is all lovecraft this pants on head retarded?

I'm only 25 pages in and
>taken to the dark side of the Moon on a rowboat
>held captive
>before shit goes down an army of cats appear and kill all his captors
>he then talks to the cats and finds out the kitten he saved happens to have a grandfather cat that leads this army

I was fine until this cat shit. Also why does he name drop made up places all the time, it's not really...
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>complaining about the logic of a dream sequence
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>>7357046
He's a shitty writer with some creative ideas. He was the Stephen King of his day.
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>>7357053
It's not even the logic I have a problem with. It's just really fucking stupid and totally ruined the story for me

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>I will never have a GOAT younger sister

>ywn have your own Phoebe

Why live, bros?

Those of you with younger sisters, I hope you realise how lucky you are.
I sometimes feel like Holden without a Phoebe.
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inb4 someone claims he raped Phoebe
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He rapes his sister, Phoebe.
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Funny thing, I really think my sister only a year older than me is almost exactly like Phoebe in personality.

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Why do people try to claim that free verse poetry has any value whatsoever? It's shit and shouldn't even be grouped in with real poetry. Literally anything can be free verse poetry, so it lessens the weight which the term poetry holds for actual poems. If your poem doesn't rhyme, then it's automatically lessened in value by several magnitudes, though it can be redeemed if it has a good structure and flows well, like e e cummings's work. This has been my free verse poem, titled "Fuck Free Verse Poetry"
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>>7356999
>If your poem doesn't rhyme
>pleb gets trips
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>>7356999
Get off my board, essentialist.
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I bet you don't like modern art either because it's not just all about "muh landscapes".

Get with the times, grandpa.

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This comes up on /tv/ and /co/ a bit... Please tell me you guys have read it and/or have excerpts?
I'd hate it to just be a holy grail..
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>Christian
>fantasy
>Linkara
gay
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>>7356982
Like you're not curious how hilarious it'd be
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Should I do it? 25€ is a hefty price for a bit of memeing though.

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Where did academia and literature go so wrong?
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>Kenyon College
Can you believe people pay 200,000 US for a degree from this place?
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>>7356955

he is an alumni.
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>>7357008
>he is an alumni.
>an alumni

The ultimate literary battle:
The Iliad or The Odyssey?
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>>7356909
I liked The Odyssey more.
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>>7356913
Yeah, well, I liked the Iliad more.
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>>7356909
I feel that the Odyssey has had a bigger influence on popular culture and "storytelling" generally.

However, there seemed to be a lot more "proper" literary techniques in the Iliad. There's a more intense characterization and the prose (particularly during the battle scenes) is plain fantastic.

Remember, Goethe described the Iliad as "a glimpse into Hell", and Tolstoi thought it was "a miracle". The Iliad is the more highbrow work, I think.

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What does /lit/ think about Tom Wolfe? I love his books and I've read some great articles about him lately. I never see him discussed here though.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/how-tom-wolfe-became-tom-wolfe#17

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427034/mizzou-protests-tom-wolfe
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I enjoyed Bonfire of the Vanities, The Right Stuff and his collections of shorter pieces, Pump House Gang and the Kandy colored blah blah blah

Couldn't really get into the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test - filthy hippies

Thought A Man in Full was just a re-tread of Bonfire of the Vanities with more bs thrown in.
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Enjoyed all of his novels.

The Painted Word and From Bauhaus to Our House are very entertaining attacks on modern art and modern architecture respectively.

Here's a good lecture where Wolfe makes fun of modern art:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnFjLFNloDUa
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>>7357107
That lecture is great stuff. I'm taking an art class right now to fulfill a requirement and he's makes fun of at least five of the artists we've discussed in class.

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Cities edition

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a8/1307836551252.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110612005642
>Sci-Fi
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a6/Scifilit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100710233344
http://imgur.com/r55ODlL
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>>7356721
The Kingdom of Luna from The Lunar Chronicles by Marissa Meyer.
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I'm currently reading "Consider Phlebas" by Iain M. Banks. I'm about one quarter of the way through and there are some interesting parts but a fair amount of redundant text too. Not entirely sure whether to just shelve it at this point.

On the other hand, when I read William Gibson, it feels like there is barely a word wasted. Probably because I have some bias toward cyberpunk admittedly. I just finished Mona Lisa Overdrive and enjoyed that thoroughly.
Did anyone else equate the splitting of the Wintermute-Neuromance AI into lesser AIs with the...
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This is like the thousandth thread and still the same chart since before we started having them?

Some things we should add:
The End of Eternity to Golden Age
Spaceman Blues to Modern
True Names to Cyberpunk
Viriconium to Sci Fantasy
Engine Summer to Post Apocalyptic

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What's your favorite Steinbeck book, /lit/?
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Grapes of Wrath.

his chapters where he writes from a bird's-eye-view of the situation is some of the best prose in the english language
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Of Mice and Men. I crie evry tiem

>>7356578
But I agree with this Anon, GoW has some patrish-tier prose
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I know this is unpopular, but does anyone else agree that East of Eden is criminally over-rated? The descriptive prose is great early-on, but it doesn't save the forced-theme of Adam & Eve, Cain & Abel, and Jungian archetypes, not to mention the foreshadowing that you have to consistently deep-throat if you're anything more than an now-and-then reader. Additionally, I wasn't a big fan of what Steinbeck did with Lee:

>herro missa hami-ton! you like sum tee? tee? okay!

>jk i'm actually...
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How does it make you guys feel that so many great greek books are gone forever?
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feels like amor fati man
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The greeks suck retard.

>>>/his/
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nothing

it makes me sad that all that great greek boipuss is gone forever and I'll never have any of it

Don't have a mentor
Don't follow one character consistently through the whole story.
End the story on any part of the cycle prior to the return.
Kill off the characters at the climax.

(also kinda funny how it's "the hero's journey" when it's completely amoral and works just as well for villains and evil doers)
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Ending the story on any part before the return doesn't avoid or subvert the heroes journey when he explicit states and gives numerous examples of it happening. Same with killing of the character. Following more than one character doesn't alter the heroes journey at all and having a mentor isn't an integral part of the heroes journey.
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>>7356387

In my story.

> Hero kills the mentor before they can get any help
> Third act is entirely different people
> Hero ends stripped of all power, alone, and homeless in an unfamiliar land

Am I doing it right?
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>>7356387
your keming is fucked up

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Hey /lit/ so I've been thinking a lot recently about the shift from modernism to post-modernism moving from the turn of the 20th century industrial boom causing modernism into the post-World War/Cold War, novels, poetry and films focusing on existential questions, breaking from the create-your-own-destiny mentality and forcing people into thought of impeding doom. The War on Terror is about 15 years in the making now, what trends and literature are being formed and what will we see come out of this new Global War? Any books you guys can think of, or trends you think you're...
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No one wants to deal with it, so it's just pure escapism. YA is the name of the game now. No one gives a fuck how some random writer in some random English faculty is innovating narrative structures with bold new forms or whatever.
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>>7356376
OP here, do you think that's more of a response to Global Conflict or the structure of publishing and marketing of books now? (I know the answer has to do with both, but that's a really undergrad way of looking at things) The relevant forms must still just be waiting to be discovered and canonized, right?
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>>7356388
Part of pomo is the complete breakdown of "relevant" form.

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What do I read if I want to get a decent understanding of Anarchism?
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Bakunin
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>>7356303
anything in particular?
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Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin

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>"For some time now I've had the feeling that novelists and terrorists are playing a zero-sum game."
>"Interesting. How so?"
>"What terrorists gain, novelists lose. The degree to which they influence mass consciousness is the extent of our decline as shapers of sensibility and thought. The danger they represent equals our own failure to be dangerous."
>"And the more clearly we see the terror, the less impact we feel...
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Yes
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there's no point to being an artist when terrorists are running around a major city killing people and blowing shit up on the reg

you can't make any art let alone a novel that will affect people more than that/
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>>7356226
Reminds me of Fahrenheit 451, where the police chief talks about societies evolution into "blur and glut" and the firemen.

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Who is the sexiest thinker of all?
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>>7356191
is dat grodendack
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>>7356191
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messi

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