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Discuss (the book not the fucking movie, let's fix past mistakes)
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I enjoyed it. I had seen the movie previously and was grateful to find literary value in the story, which the movie made rather unpalatable, obscured and bizzare.
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Enjoyed learning nadsat and reading the book in Malcom McDowell's voice. P.S the film's pristine wtf.
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He managed to make the double child rape hilarious, I think that sums the book up well

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would you pay for it?
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>>8290564
Reddit would. Link it to some of the lolsorandum subreddits and make a couple hundred dollars.
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>>8290564
>mfw Chuck Tingle has imitators now
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I linked to a couple of subreddits and no one liked it. I guess if 4chan is even more sophisticated than reddit then this will not do well

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Discuss
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>>8290511
p gud
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>>8290511
very good
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>>8290511
shit

>relish the fact
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only came here to capture the pepe. shit thread.
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>>8290415
>really opened my eyes to the fact that-
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"trust me, this book will open your third eye"

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I've noticed a lot anons on /lit/ using 'story' and 'plot' interchangeably. It triggers me slightly.

But let's have a discussion that has never been entirely resolved in narrative theory, /lit/, how would you define these three terms: story, plot narrative.

Or do you prefer fabula and sjuzhet?
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>>8290359
Define how you see them first.
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A story relates an overall experience.

A plot is a series of connected events.

Narrative is the means of telling the story, which is elucidated by outlining the plot(s).
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>>8290385
This was more or less my feelings on it. I agree.

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I'm having some thoughts and I'm not sure where I can find more information on what they're about.

If the definition of each word is expressed using other words, and their definition is expressed using other words, and so on, then where is the beginning?

I was trying to define my values, and I was referring to the definitions of words to be more sure about said values.

However I only found myself being led down a rabbit hole of definitions, not getting any closer to some kind of concrete 'thing'.

Everything was just a bundle...
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>>8290348
>Where is the fundamental?
It starts with perception of the natural phenomena, names are given. The easiest way to "define" a tree or a blossom or a sunrise, or most simple content words, is pictographically
Abstraction takes place following perception, concepts arise, names are given.
morphemes interact, new words come about, often vague ; languages evolve and die, morphemes remain and change
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> What is language based on?

Nothing. Language is completely arbitrary which is why different languages use different words for the same object. There is no clear 'center', according Derrida sign and signification 'float' but never really 'touch'. This doesnt really have to be a problem but since language creates our reallity it means that everything we percieve is only a guess to the true nature of the object.

Some cultures do not make a difference between a Horse and a pony for example. The only thing...
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>>8290377
>Abstraction takes place following perception, concepts arise, names are given.

This interests me. I can understand how physical objects get named because they are in direct perception, but not so much abstract concepts which are not available to the senses.

Does anybody know any books on the topic?

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Is 'Slam Poetry' of any intellectual or literary merit?
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>>8290297
No.
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Poetry doesn't. What makes you think slam poetry would?

saging this
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>>8290297
Writing insultsing poetry was rather common among Russian poets in XIX century, at least. Some of these are still well-known.

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He likes Joyce, Gaddis, Gass, Barth, Barthelme, and Pynchon, but for some reason he hates DFW. Why is that?
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>>8290247
He's just sad because everyone at Yale hates his guts.

Also DFW isn't in the same class as the authors you listed.
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>>8290262
Except for Barth
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>>8290247

Because DFW is less good.

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>"wind" and "wind" is spelled the same

The English language was a mistake.
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It just works.
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>>8290193
lol so random picture
lol so random topic

>liberal logic
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tear and tear

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I've never read it, what's so great about it?
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>>8290172
Read it and find out, stupid shitposter
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Well-written sentences, nice images, jokes and stuff.
Also sympathy for humans including the Jews from a time when it wasn't mandatory
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>>8290172
Theres like, literally, 100.00.200 reviews/opinions on internet of this book. Did you REALLy need to make one more thread?

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What books help deal with existential crises, the fact that it's incredibly unlikely you'll do anything of note, and that a decade after your death it'll be like you never existed?
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>>8290116
Stoner
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>>8290116
>a decade after your death it'll be like you never existed?
Sounds pretty comfy desu senpai.
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>>8290116

None - all literature is an example of 'something of note'.

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What are some of the most underrated books you've encountered? For instance outside of /lit I had never heard of the Book of Disquiet among others. I'm looking for new books to add to my lists. I'll start with Burmese Days by Orwell. It's easy, but also his best work IMO.
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>>8290031
Mein Kampf
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>>8290031

Interesting. I'll have to look it up. I really liked Homage to Catalonia, and thought Down and Out in Paris and London was worthwhile as well.
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>>8290031
A lot of stuff from publishers like Dalkey Archive, NYRB (and perhaps Dedalus?) would be considered great but underrated work.

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hello /lit/
can you rec me some decent positions on logics as a tool of philosophical analysis?
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>>8290023
dunno, get a introductory logic textbook perhaps
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P1) Assume that laws of logic are true (AIP).
P2) All propositions are either true or false (LEM, P1).
P3) The proposition "This statement is false" is neither true nor false.
P4) There exists a proposition that is neither true nor false (P3, EQ).
P5) It is not the case that all propositions are true or false (P4 CQ).
P6) It both is and is not the case that all propositions are true or false (P2, P5 Conj).
P7) Therefore the laws of logic are not true (1-6 IP).
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>>8290023
Can you specify a bit more what you are interested in and maybe say what your background in philosophy is?

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How do I make friends who read but aren't epic Barnes and Noble normies
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>>8289845
Find the ugly ones
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>>8289845
Go to graduate school for literature, go to literary conferences, find your local independent publisher and attend the readings that are held there.
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a /lit/ meetup. which will never happen. so just read and stop giving shit.

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can some literate person explain to me why it is considered a masterpiece?

i find it hard to really appreciate it.

with harder works like ulysses i realize it's my limits that compromise the reading, but i find it hard to understand why this (apparently) simple book is so loved
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>>8289674
Because it was written by a darkie
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>don quixote
>simple

Wait til you read the beginning of the second half
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>explain with words to an illiterate why a literary masterpiece is so

I think you expect to much of us, boy.

Ask us to draw you a picture and maybe somebody will.

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