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How do so many people miss the point of this? You don't need to read Chernyshevsky's What Is To Be Done? to understand it, but I'm beginning to think a lot of people should. People seem to think the Underground Man is some sort of caricature of /r9k/ types, when in fact he isn't because he's the one who is making his life into the caricature...that is, he is willfully and consciously pathetic, he isn't pathetic because he tries to be "literary", he tries to be "literary" because it is pathetic. That is why he intentionally ruins his very "literary" opportunity with the qt, because if he didn't ruin it, then he would cease to be pathetic. The entire point is being pathetic and foolish and doing what is against one's interests, is sometimes precisely what is in one's own interests. It's not about the lifestyle of the Underground Man, it's about the affirmation of the Underground Man: he is going against his own interests precisely because it is against his own interests, and the feeling of freedom this engenders is more valuable to him than anything else.

To quote a passage from The Way of the Pilgrim

>It happens that I myself was once a witness of a similar case. Near our village there is a very deep and steep-sided ravine, not very wide, but some seventy feet or more in depth. It is quite frightening to look down to the gloomy bottom of it. A sort of footbridge has been built over it. A peasant in my parish, a family man and very respectable, suddenly, for no reason, was taken with an irresistible desire to throw himself from this little bridge into that deep ravine. He fought against the idea and resisted the impulse for a whole week. In the end, he could hold himself back no longer. He got up early, rushed off, and jumped into the abyss. They soon heard his groans and with great difficulty pulled him out of the pit with his legs broken. When he was asked the reason for his fall, he answered that although he was now feeling a great deal of pain, yet he was calm in spirit, that he had carried out the irresistible desire which had worried him so for a whole week, and that he had been ready to risk his life to gratify his wish.

Dostoevsky's premise, his philosophy here, is driven by the Trinity, the one essence is preceded by the foundation of the three existences (the Greek word for existence, generally translated as "person" in relation to the Trinity, literally means the foundation of something). The Underground Man has existence but is in a struggle to find his essence. And he intentionally afflicts himself with the most irrational essence there is, as an expression of existentialist freedom. Dostoevsky isn't saying to live like that or not live like that, these ideas would defeat the whole point of the story.

Also, here is an Orthodox reading list and FAQ for atheists, Catholics, Jews, etc.: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
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>he puts this much effort into a second-rate author
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>>7608603

Thank you fellow sinner for the reading list and things to think about. Agree that the Underground Man is widely misunderstood.
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>>7608609
God bless, may love and mercy follow you everywhere.

What are you reading?
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>>7608426
Brighton Rock
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>>7608437
god why do that to yourself
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>>7608426
De Gualle

Last one at 250. Getting too messy. How about another Critique and criticism thread? Post your shit!!
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Been reworking and reworking this opening line, tell me what you think
One fine morning in the month of May an elegant young horsewoman might have been riding a handsome sorrel mare along the flowery avenues of the Bois de Boulogne.
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David was a stay at home father; a defective man in the eyes of his inherited society. Though his wife loved him, there was always the fear. The fear that she viewed him the way society viewed him and the way he viewed himself most of the time. Although this self-deprecating vision he had of himself was merely a reflection of the societal perspective held against men, the depression he felt was no illusion. What he felt was very real and no matter how much his wife seemingly loved him, he could not shake the feeling that his mere existence was a heavy weight on her. Every loving...
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Chart thread. I'm dumping, also requesting Kierkegaard must-reads.
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>>7604305
Anyone have the Inferno translation guide?
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here you go, i think this is it

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Based on the the previous discussion (which died out quick) lets compile a list of books that serve as an introduction to philosophy.

There is a google doc but it seems beyond reach for the average /lit/izen

Said previous thread: >>7600865

All suggestion welcome and lets not limit this to just western philosophy.

DONT LET THE THREAD DIE MOTHAFUCKAS
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Wow that Google Doc is actually pretty neat, who put it together?
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August Comte.
Is positivism worth a reading?
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>>7601506
you mean this?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub

no idea

>>7601512
all schools of thought are welcome. I would prefer recommending specific/most influential/comprehensive work of the philosopher

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Thoughts on David Moody?
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David Whody? Fuck off pleb.
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>>7618045

I never said if I like or dislike him. I'm just curious about how /lit/ perceives him. Now please step aside, easily irritable child.

I am goug to be starting a diary. Any tips you guys have

Pic unrelated
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It's going to get out of hand fast. Hide it well...

... maybe dig a tunnel ...
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try not to put barriers on what is worthy of recording. writing anything is always better than writing nothing. be as honest as you can with yourself, despite the guilt of indulging in your ego.
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>>7617653
don't write what you don't want others to read, you don't want to end up like anne frank with your dad having to edit out parts about you touching yourself

Have anyone of you read this book, or anything else by John Zerzan? Is it worth a read? Im thinking of reading it, i'ts quite short so it's not a big investment...
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I haven't read that particular one, and it's been quite a few years, but the few other Zerzan books I read were decent. If he mentions hunter-gatherers in that one, take his information with a grain of salt. He tends to skew ethnographic research in his favor by portraying non-agricultural societies as being almost utopian (not that they're absolute shit like a lot of people believe, but to portray them as the complete opposite is just as bad). There's also the commonly mentioned issue that a lot of his "solutions" would require the deaths of billions...
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Zerzan is shit, read me, senpai.

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Anyone read it? Worth a read even if I'm not gay?
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>>7617011
Yeah. Make sure you order the "no homo" edition.
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>>7617011
>illustrated edition
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Gay sex is fucking awful. I tried it because I thought it was patrician but I didn't like it all. Every angle of a man's body is hard and weird and feels like an aborted mockery of a woman's perfection, and their skin feels like grease and stubble instead of soft and nice.

Gay sex when you're not gay can basically be summed up like this: Imagine going to a foreign culture restaurant and being amazed to see that everyone is huddled over the raw, semi-rotten bodies of dead pigs, ripping flesh and bone off of them with their bare hands. You want to convince...
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>There's a huge seal called 'impossibility' pasted all over this world. And don't ever forget that we're truly the sailor who fell from grace with the sea
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"Ride the Tiger"
from
Ride the Tiger - Julio Evola
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>The Universe is my will
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goddammit

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Where should I read if I want to learn more about Eastern philosophy (particularly concepts such as yin and yang, feng shui, etc.)? Preferably with some meditative undertones as well.

Basically books that deal with Buddhist peace of mind and self type shit.
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>>7616359
eastern 'philosophy' is just vague new age bullshit and statist propaganda. Oriental people's might be cunning, but they lack true intelligence and creativity, thats why they tend to follow statist and socialist philosophies
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>>7616369
t. aiden, age 17
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Zen Flesh, Zen Bones

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How do you approach longer novels?

I am reading Tale of Genji, and want to get the most out of it.
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the best way is to write something between breaks
some summary or a list of characters

i believe genji has a whole bunch of characters
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>>7615036
Reading in the original language. Heian period Classical Japanese is beautiful.
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>>7615049
In between the chapters in my copy there are lists of what characters appear in the chapter.
Most of them are refereed to using their social rank only, so it can be confusing.
>>7615057
I can barely read Kawabata, Middle Japanese is far beyond my capability.

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What's the best book for someone who's idealistic about life to the point of ruin? Someone who is constantly searching for better than what he has.
inb4 bible
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hegel tbqh
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>>7614582
to what end?to destroy the idealism or to feed it? for now I will say childhood's end (works for both)
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The Cossacks - Leo Tolstoy

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I dont know which to choose
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Maude is translation of choice for anything Tolstoy bby
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Not P&V
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>>7617768
>>7617769
Thanks, brahs.

Is Clark Ashton Smith worth getting into? I've read just about everything by Lovecraft and Howard at this point and I need something new to get my weird fiction fix.
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If you haven't read The Gods of Pegana and Time and the Gods by Lord Dunsany you don't know SHIT about weird fiction!

Well you do, but I'm using needless invective to enhance attention because I think Lord Dunsany is a pretty big deal and it would be a shame if you skipped him because my post didn't catch your eye, you know
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The White People by Arthur Machen.
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>>7617443

His weird fiction is good, yeah, but I think his poetry is really great. Some great stuff in there. The Penguin Classics of The Dark Eidolon is a good selection of his stories, prose-poems, and poetry.

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