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Where do you lie on the optimism-pessimism spectrum, /r9k/?
https://web.stanford.edu/class/msande271/onlinetools/LearnedOpt.html
Post your results and thoughts in the thread!
Why does it matter?
"Twenty-five years of study has convinced me that if we habitually believe,
as does the pessimist, that misfortune is our fault, is enduring, and will
undermine everything we do, more of it will befall us than if we believe otherwise.
I am also convinced that if we are in the grip of this view, we will get depressed easily,
we will accomplish less than our potential, and we will even get physically sick more often.
Pessimistic prophecies are self-fulfilling."
"Many things in life are beyond our control-our eye color, our race, the
drought in the Midwest. But there is a vast, unclaimed territory of actions
over which we can take control-or cede control to others or to fate. These
actions involve the way we lead our lives, how we deal with other people,
how we earn our living-all the aspects of existence in which we normally
have some degree of choice. The way we think about this realm of life can actually
diminish or enlarge the control we have over it. Our thoughts are not merely reactions to
events; they change what ensues."
The analogy is as such:
Smoking is to lung cancer as pessimism is to depression.
What if the traditional view of the components of success is wrong?
What if there is a third factor-optimism or pessimism-that matters as much as talent or desire?
What if you can have all the talent and desire necessary-yet, if you are a pessimist, still fail?
What if optimists do better at school, at work, and on the playing field?
What if optimism is a learned skill, one that can be permanently acquired?
"Pessimists can in fact learn to be optimists, and not through mindless devices
like whistling a happy tune or mouthing platitudes ("Every day, in every way,
I'm getting better and better"), but by learning a new set of cognitive skills."
"In general, depression is a disorder of the "I," failing in your own
eyes relative to your goals. In a society in which individualism is becoming
rampant, people more and more believe that they are the center of the
world. Such a belief system makes individual failure almost inconsolable.
Individual failure used to be buffered by the second force, the large
"we." When our grandparents failed, they had comfortable spiritual furniture
to rest in. They had, for the most part, their relationship to God,
their relationship to a nation they loved, their relationship to a community
and a large extended family. Faith in God, community, nation, and the
large extended family have all eroded in the last forty years, and the
spiritual furniture that we used to sit in has become threadbare."
That was a theory Martin Seligman put forth 25 years ago and I feel it still holds its salt today
I've been a pessimist since early high school and now at the age of 23 I'm tired of the depressive self-defeating baggage that comes with it. I want to live and breath, I want to be a part of the human race.
I'm reading this book in the hope that it is the ultimate panacea for our suffering, I have hope that by reconfiguring our habits of thought we too will make it; that it's not too late even for us!
Link to download the .pdf of Learned Optimism:
https://duniahartanto.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/ebooksclub-org__learned_optimism__how_to_change_your_mind_and_your_life.pdf
>>28065972
No offence OP but it seems to me rather... obvious.
I mean, by 'objective' or external social standards, I'm a failure - but personally I've never been happier, and yes I've always been pretty optimistic and my sense of optimism has been resilient in the face of bad things happening, and this optimism is obviously something you could replicate and learn.
That quote about "faith" seems silly, though. What if faith in those things was misplaced? How is it a better thing to be optimistic or to be able to 'fall back' on things external to yourself, if those things are subjective and sometimes false? Also, I've found that being free from other people, being MORE individual and so on is a part of my happiness - society, community, nation - all these things are bad for me and try to enforce values and standards that in many cases would make me feel like failure and make me depressed - because they're enforcing shitty values for their own self-serving purposes.
>>28065906
Wether you are optimistic or pessimistic depends on what kind of product your genetics interacting with your environment ended up producing. The vast majority of self help is a joke and the concept of potential is as dumb as it gets and has absolutely no place in our deterministic existence/reality.
So i Finally dropped my useless art graduation, to try another one that actually is worth something. Here in my country, universities are public and free. To get inside the best universities, you must do a national exam in november, which covers all subjects from highschool. Shit's pretty hard, most people prepair and study for a whole year to have a chance on it. That's what I'm doing now, attending classes at a preparatory course.
It kinda feels like highschool all over again, but with older students (I myself am 22). I thought it would be a nigthmare just like my old times, but it's been actually pretty chill. I managed to find a nice group of people who I befriended, 4 girls and another dude, and we have some fun together. Apart from all the intense studying schedule, more than 14 hours a day, it almost feels like being a normie...
The problem is, there is this weird guy sitting next to us. He remind me of my 16 yo self, but he's an adult already... Unkept overly grown hair, unshaven, extremely pale, looks down and sad all the time, never talks to anyone, never says anything, spends the break sitting alone drinking coffee and listening to music in his earphones, sometimes so loud that we can hear what he's listening from afar. He looks like he is on the verge of suicide. And he became the laughing stock of the class. My group of friends specially make fun of him everyday, sometimes in front of him, and I think he notices... I don't even know his name... Poor guy is pretty dumb also, he can't follow the classes, and when he does make a question, he stutters in a high pitched but very weak voice the teachers almost don't hear, and it's almost always some very basic knowledge shit that makes evident that he's either pretty dumb or slow to learn...
I'd like to help him, as I would have liked someone to help me when I was a sad teenager... But how can I approach him and befriend him? The guy almost looks like he has a force field of social impenetrability...
Hand him rope. He knows what to do.
>>28065839
My basic question is... For those of you who were also the loner weird type of high schooler... What do you think that would have helped you then? What type of approach would actually have helped you? DO you think you would be open to it?
It's the contradiction among shy and introvert people. At the same time loneliness and isolation is killing us from inside out, we still sustain a barrier to any form of social interaction, pushing people further away. I was like that... Despite wanting desperately to bond and find friends, I pushed everyone that tried to talk to me away. Many people tried to talk with me, and I was extremely rude and unresponsive, until everybody got the message and left me alone, which I hated even more...
>>28065839
you're in italy
>tfw no qt serial killer gf to end my miserable life
I fantasize about this way too often.
Source?
Fuck this gay robot to death with a hammer
Gibs me dat sauce. Reverse image search turned up nothing.
Tripfag rate thread:
MJ mage
Swami
Eeyore
yourbiggestfan
desolation
ricky
you are not kevin kun
vyro
loserbernd
spillcanvas
samson
no7
mvx
laoche
mystery
bb
metric
fish
bebe
ian
ivan
euphoria
>>28065773
>desolation
>you are not kevin kun
>loserbernd
>spillcanvas
>no7
>laoche
>bb
Literally who?
Shit tier:
>all tripfags
laoche had sex hes a fucking normie piece of shit
>talking to girl whom I met on tinder
>we've been chatting for about a week via snapchat and other normie apps
>"you're attractive sometimes anon, from the right angle"
>mfw she isn't joking
please end me
help me you losers
Help yourself Faggot-kun.
"Yeah, I noticed you look thin in some angles. "
Hey guys 18 y/o underage degenerate here, took two tabs 7 hours ago and feelin lonely. Ama
Non-white people fucking annoy me
Like just looking at a non-white person annoys me for some reason
stop being non-white this instant
enjoy your schizophrenia m8
>>28065650
kill yourself with a rake
Post compliments you've received from women
>anon you smell like my dad
>your breath isn't completely terrible
>your dubs are really sexy
>>28065622
>you're adorable
>I wish more guys were like you
>you're cute!
>you look like a man now
Kek. KHV and bitches don't even kno it
>tfw ugly
Who here has felt this feel?
This guy isnt ugly, he is deformed and unhgealthy.
He is repulsive.
>>28065619
But no one will ever love him desu ;_;
>>28065610
HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THAT THING
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/23/my-perfect-affair-sex-lover-extramarital-secret
women will defend this
Please god let this be a bait. Why are women such FUCKING whores.
>"I'm a female and I defend this, good for her!"
:^)
I don't defend this what a fucking whore Jesus christ. And she's so smug and self righteous about it too. I hope she gets hit by a bus.
In 3 basic steps describe how most robots could fix their lives
1) Buy a gun
2) Put a bullet in it
3) Shoot yourself
>>28065405
>leave 4chan
>get a job
>socialize
>>28065420
Very impress, all you were missing are repeating digits.
I'm a demon
Ask me something and maybe I'll answer it
>>28065346
Don't snowflakes melt in hell, anon?
Is hell fun?
How do I lose weight? How do I communicate with a demon? How do I channel spiritual energy?
I don't want to let my brain force me to go through a selfish guilt trip or have uncontrollable survival reflexes fuck up my suicide attempt. So ideally I would like to die in deep sleep without even knowing about it. Any suggestions?
>inb4 helium tank
>>28065264
helium is your best bet
>>28065264
Gas seems your only way senpai. Either exit bag or in a car with the exaust going into the window
Fall asleep in a small room. All the air will disappear while you're sleeping and you'll die without waking up.
I am starting to believe that "whites can't be robots" narrative.
Used GPS app to change me to asia and... after a couple of days this is my Tinder.
Every girl I swipe has pretty much already swiped me.
Simply because I'm white.
>>28065202
>Christian's message
>>28065202
>Kenneth
kek
>>28065202
You realise they're all whores right?
I was in China for a long time a few years back, and you quickly learn that all Asian girls online who speak English are whores (actual whores who work for a pimp) or honeypots of the Government trying to get idiotic, naive Westerners to reply and then get arrested by the police.
Chinks and East Asians don't use tinder, Asian internet is completely different.
>H-hi anon. I heard you are tired of Western sluts and degeneracy. Would you like to convert to Islam and take my hand in marriage? My father who owns an oil company approves!
Yeah, I think that might be worth praying five times a day.
Do I have to join ISIS?
>>28065198
no. if you say yes you're going on a list
>normie commits suicide
>normies on damage control
Why are normies so afraid of revealing that their famed normie Prince commited suicide /r9k/?
>>28065138
>Prince Normie
prince was extremely introverted without his instruments
>>28065138
You're probably more of a normie than Prince was
>>28065147
Agreed, prince was king NEET
