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Malifaux general, here are some useful links,

books;
https://mega.nz/#F!M9dyDTrI!eNYCwqvg4iPWy_z-M0P9dw

Book 1 - Basic Rules and first wave of updated (from 1st edition of malifaux) models
Book 2 - Second wave of updated models
Book 3 - Campaign system and new M2E models

Through the Breach Fated Almanac - Basic rules for the RPG set in Malifaux
Through the Breach Fatemaster Almanac - GM stuff for the RPG

so what did you get during the black sale? I got fuck-all cus poorfagness
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>>43926545
I got nothing on Black Friday. Shipping to europe is horrifying expensive and slow.

In any case, fielded Guild McMourning last game with the starter set models, and damn I forget how much fun he was and how different he was from playing Ressers.
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>>43926545
4 way split.
Neverborn guy got all his shit and nightmare tara, I got Colette and some nice terrain, arcanist brought Rasputina and the undead brought undead
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>>43926545

Not sure. The girlfriend is getting me stuff. I showed her what I wanted, so let's hope she got that.

Would be The Kin box and slop haulers.

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Don't know if this is out of place, but since some people are nervous when roleplaying, or have trouble getting their characters personalities off correctly, I figured I'd start this thread

I'm taking requests and I wanna encourage other anons to do the same. Lets see if we can't define your characters a little more.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0RaXyole8gk

im decent at impersonations and accents too
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Haven't seen one of these in a while. I'm up for shit too, if anyone's got something to read. I know these threads usually get requests for gruff raspy stuff but my voice androgynous and nasely, so keep that in mind.
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>>43914313
>>43915559
To get the ball rolling, how about:
>¡mientras tanto, los MAGOS del TIEMPO!
Preferably with multiple voices and/or people that are synced, so it can all be compiled into one audio file to be played at the table when needed.
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>>43915637
and so we are off to a less than illustrious start!
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1dIiVAoQxbM
I'm sorry to have shit up your thread so fast, OP.

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The Game Finder Thread for Finding Games Thread.

>GM/Player
>System Preferred
>Times Available (with timezone!)
>Method of Play (Skype, IRC, roll20, etc)
>Contact Info
>Additional Notes
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>>43900173
>GM
>Willing to run any system/setting given that I have a willing group and the time to learn (only exceptions are 3.pf)
>Basically any time, but generally after 3 EST
>Skype/Roll20
>Skype: avenger1006
>Additional Notes: I just want to run a solid game and be passionate about it, I'll literally run almost anything.
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Not interested in running or playing but bumping for others
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>Player
>Anything generic fantasy or 40k related
>Times Available (with timezone!)+0GMT, Thursday-Sunday free with chunks of Monday-Wednesday available
>Skype, roll20
>Skype: BigManJor
>New player, but I've gathered the gist of what goes on from sites I kick about in. I'll probably ask a lot of questions until I get it fully though.

Gimme a shout if you're looking for a player.

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Yes, we can't post Zvezda on the BattleFront internet guys. been that way since 2010....

Flames of War SCANS database ...Now updated with Great War and Team Yankee!:
http://www.mediafire.com/?8ciamhs8husms
---Includes our Late War Leviathan rules!
Official Flames of War Free Briefings:
http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=108

Current /tg/ fan projects - Noob Guide &FAQ, and a Podcast
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eD3nkA51ddl3nmltKg0zsnfrOUhlWgcc4h5aqz-RFqw
Quick Guide on all present FOW Books:
http://www.wargames-romania.ro/wordpress/wargames/flames-of-war/flames-of-war-starting-player-guide-the-books/

Archive of all known Panzer Tracts PDFs: http://www.mediafire.com/folder/nyvobnlg12hoz/Panzer_Tracts

WWII Osprey's, Other Wargames, and Reference Books
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
and, for Vietnam.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War

--Guybrarian Notes:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eD3nkA51ddl3nmltKg0zsnfrOUhlWgcc4h5aqz-RFqw/edit?usp=sharing

http://www.400gb.com/u/1883935

Panzerfunk, the /fowg/ podcast.
http://panzerfunk.podbean.com/

https://vimeo.com/128373915

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/Documents/Briefings/CariusNarva.pdf

http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=1949 the Azul Division: no longer linkable off the main page

Which army do you play the most?
http://strawpoll.me/4631475

what actual country are you from?
http://strawpoll.me/4896764
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QRF BMP's don't look too bad....

http://texaswargamer.com/techniques/15mm-qrf-bmp-2-speed-painting
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>>43900017
on the BMP-2 issue:

imperial armor's BS site specifically states Skytrex has no BMP-2's.

sadness.
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did everyone get lost this sunday?

now that we have 2 threads, no one is posting. just pick one guys. one will win out.


>The Sherman M4 is a shit tank....

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Last thread had some weapons and armor discussion with KM, a little bit of a fecht, and Jimmy revealed he's working on airplane rules for Call of the Void.

Previous Thread: >>43795527

Song of Swords is a realistic fantasy tabletop RPG that draws inspiration from historical fechtbuchs, weapons and armor. Its combat system is fast and it can be used for both fantasy and historical/mundane settings. It is heavily based on the Riddle of Steel system.

Call of the Void is a pulpy sci-fi tabletop RPG about fighting space-nazis and hunting giant whales with harpoons made out of the moon. It is based on the Friday Night Firefight engine for modern firefights in close quarters, and can handle mundane or magical settings.

Here's a .rar archive with the newest version of the rules as well as all related current working documents. At this time the latest version is v1.9.9:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/12xqm1p2q69m392/Song_of_Swords.rar

Here's Ballad of the Laser Whales' latest version: https://www.mediafire.com/?rtbjk51jnm2wv8a

Here's a wiki detailing SoS's fantasy setting, getting filled up bit by bit as Jimmy reveals more details:
http://tattered-realms.wikia.com/wiki/Tattered_Realms_Wiki

There's also a roll20 room where new players are encouraged to try the rules, test new rules, and find game breaking issues: https://app.roll20.net/join/346755/hRKd4w
The room might be empty, but the people who teach the game still browse the thread frequently. If you're looking to learn, post here in the thread. We also play Guy Windsor's card game Audatia in the room.
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Right lads, so should we leave Öke's fate uncertain or shall we bring his little adventure closure?
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>>43893007
>That look of suffering resignation on left dude's face.
If you want a loog of the future, imagine being stuck in coda longa, forever.
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>>43893007
Dead Zells soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj8HJq067UY

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How good is Netrunner?
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>>43885982
It's shit.
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>>43885982
It's great.
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>>43885982
Its great. The honey moon is over with the game but there are still tons of people that play it.

Just not as much on release. Check your LGS to see if they play.

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Useful links now here: http://pastebin.com/JtFH682q

Link for the Trove: https://mega.co.nz/#F!3FcAQaTZ!BkCA0bzsQGmA2GNRUZlxzg

Last thread: >>43812906
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Rules and tactica discussion is encouraged.
Fluff and rumors are better suited to the General, so kindly check the catalog.
The 30K community is still small, but growing, so don't get discouraged if your AoD list doesn't get feedback.

>Rules of Thumb
1) If you post a list, please critique other lists, if you are familiar with other codices.
2) Type your lists cleanly. Lists with poor formatting are usually ignored. Picture versions or PDFs of lists *are* acceptable, but not encouraged, and will often be ignored as well.
3) Preferably, advice should be given from a place of experience, i.e.; don't give advice you haven't tried yourself.
4) Don't bump excessively either, as that will diminish the likelihood anons will respond.
5) Finally, it helps if you have a short description of how you intend to run your list. This also helps anons give better criticism, and will typically illicit swifter responses.

Helpful links:
>Rules database
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
>Babby's first guide to tactics
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Tactics
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s).
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V4.pdf
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+++ Ravenwing list (750pts) +++

++ Dark Angels: Codex (2015) (DA Ravenwing Strike Force) (750pts) ++

+ (No Category) +

Show Forgeworld options [0. All]

+ Fast Attack (355pts) +

Ravenwing Bike Squad (165pts) [2x Grav Gun, 4x Ravenwing Biker]
····Ravenwing Sergeant [Combi-Grav]

Ravenwing Bike Squad (135pts) [2x Flamer, 4x Ravenwing Biker]
····Ravenwing Sergeant [Bolt Pistol]

Ravenwing Land Speeders (55pts)
····Ravenwing Land Speeder [Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter]

+ Elites (125pts) +

* Mark V Mortis Pattern Dreadnought (125pts) [2x Twin-linked Autocannon]

+ Heavy Support (130pts) +

* Deimos Predator (130pts) [Heavy Bolter, Plasma Destroyer]

+ HQ (140pts) +

Librarian (140pts) [Conversion Field]
····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Stave, Shroud of Heroes, Space Marine Bike]
····Psyker Level 2
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>>43853059
>another list thread that will get little done and die a quick death

and yet people complain when lists are posted in the general

>>43853079
looks like you're all set. at 750 you won't see many tanks so maybe drop the flamers for more grav guns. i hear those dark angel powers are good as well so i think this looks like a strong list. no anti air but you're at 750
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>>43853079
The Mortis and Deimos don't have Ravenwing, so you can't take them in the Strike Force. Need a CAD for that.

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I'm sure these will fly off the shelves!
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Wow those models are jewel-like... full of wonder
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Very overthetop and fitting of AoS' "MUCH higher fantasy than WHFB" theme going on.

Though I do still wish they did WHFB for my low fantasy cravings.
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>>43988434
>>43988434
Weird horses.

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Last thread:
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FAQ: http://pastebin.com/MhAQAJiw
Here's a dropbox with a LOT of CYOA's:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9ijwopa42ke49q1/AAA40vUS2BzstD9eHyyBLTr8a?dl=0
IRC Chat Channel
https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?url=irc%3A%2F%2Firc.rizon.net%2Fcyoa

OC of today: Kingdom Crusher.
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>>43986535
I haven't even skimmed it yet, but I have to say that the thumbnail has my panties creaming with the quality of layout and colours. Going to read it now.
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>Added title
>Made it so the Nerd won't obviously try to rape you
>Made it so "Alien integration" quest requires a friend other than "Ohoho"
Otherwise it's just a free coin.

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PREVIOUSLY: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Star+Wars%3A+Fortune+Hunter

You’ve heard stories about the Killik. You’ve read about them in class back at the Academy. They were supposed to be long extinct considering they abandoned their mounds back on Alderaan. The fact that you’re standing beneath a group of them right now is a daunting prospect. It’s as if they just leapt from the holopages of history just to mess with you. You, Kuvasz, and Vikker stepped closer together, nearly back to back as the great big bugs advanced on you.

One of them pokes you with his stick, jabbing you with the blunt end of it. “Hey!” you yell back. It flinches back, surprised by your sudden response. It proceeds to poke you again, harder this time. “Ow! Stop that!” You slap down his stick. The other Killik proceed to surround you, ignoring Kuvasz and Vikker. You’ve made a huge mistake. They proceed to poke you, apparently in curiosity. But all its doing is making you angry! “Stop that!” You slap away their spears and sticks. They click their jaws and mandibles to each other, buzzing in some weird language that for some reason sounds they’re constantly saying “uuuu”.

“What are they doing?” asks Vikker.

“They must be wondering why Rhys’s skin is so soft; if they’re giant insects they might not have too much concept for people with bones on the inside like us,” Kuvasz explains.

“Yeah, yeah! Great!” You push away one of them. It hisses at you. “Ah!” you scream at it, and it immediately retreats in fright by your sudden noise. “Real great scientific explanation, Kuvasz, you should’ve been a scientist instead of a mercenary!”

“Well, I mean, I was for like a year,” he says.

“I’m being sarcastic!” you yell back. You wave your arm in front of your nose, groaning at the incredible smell you’ve discovered from these giant bugs. “Look, we’ve got to-“

[1/2]
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>>43985339
[2/2]

You hear a massive stomp behind you. You turn around to see Sparks has dismounted into his walker mode. Out of his underbelly, his new twin laser cannons pop out and aim right at the Killik. Sparks screeches loudly, sending the Killik retreating back into the wilderness. Oh, thank goodness for that. You shake your head, sighing.

“This changes things,” says Kuvasz as he walks up to you. “Treasure is one thing. But it appears the Killik have made a home around the RAS Bailoff, our treasure.”

“I’m not going to give up on it,” you say. “That treasure is ours for the taking.” You quickly dust yourself off, then suddenly hunch over. “Bu- but first.” You quickly run over to the water, kicking up clouds of sand beneath your feet. Ugh, oh for… You quickly vomit into the water, spilling some bile and what was your lunch into the ocean. Oh, they stank, what a smell that was. Kuvasz and Vikker quickly run after you, then join you in vomiting up their lunches. “Wh- you too!?”

“I haven’t smelled anything like that since those Rakghouls on Taris!” yells Vikker. “Mother of mercy!” You shake your head. You’re not sure you ever wanted to see an Aqualish vomit but there it was.

Kuvasz catches his breath faster than you two. “Alright, Rhys. What’s the plan?”

> “Well, they didn’t attack us. Maybe we can talk things out.”
> “We’ve got a bomber, a freighter packed with lots of guns, and a droid fighter. We level these woods until we send them packing.”
> “We get out of here. I won’t give up, but that doesn’t mean I’m not giving up TODAY.”
> Other
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>>43985342
>> “Well, they didn’t attack us. Maybe we can talk things out.”
>Have Misri prepare us some gas masks.
>Also have Lev to start picking out part of the debris outside the plantet that may be worth looting.
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>>43985342
>“We get out of here. I won’t give up, but that doesn’t mean I’m not giving up TODAY.”
>Other:
Get back to the ship and pull up all of the files we can find on Killiks.
Know the enemy before we kill them all.

>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html

>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata

>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf

>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

The Emperor built my hotrod edition
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Would it be worth dropping a grotzooka killa kan (currently running a unit of 5) to give all 6 of my Deff Dreads an extra klaw? (Currently double rokkit)
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Man I wish Chosen could take Terminator Armour, just because I can do a bit of converting and show a nice cozy rank hierarchy in my Thousand Sons.
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>>43970655
would the 1k sons even do that post heresy? it doesn't involve daemons or sorcery

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>Google Drive
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B20r6rsFLOg_Zk5RdVdya3hJNnc&usp=sharing

>IRC
http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=rizon.mibbit.org&channel=%23JumpchainCYOA
https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.rizon.net/?#JumpchainCYOA

>Rules
http://pastebin.com/Gqj3iKyn

>Last Thread
>>43939569
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I see what you did there.
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>>43954757
>albatross

You know, that reminds me. Tell me about your favorite birds, /jc/. From this or any other reality.
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...let's try that again.

Have we ever talked about how powerful Eliatropes can be? In the finale of Wakfu's 2nd season Qilby punched Yugo hard enough into a planet that it SPLIT INTO TWO. Then all the other Eliatropes chased him around for a while-and blasted through another planet getting to him.

What's the consensus here? Are eliatrope-native planet just super flimsy, or are eliatrops just that damn powerful?

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Ok so this is a new idea I've come up with.

I recently received an extremely cold shoulder on a thread I posted in /lit/ talking about short stories (Nobody replied). After the same thing happened again, I wasn't real sure what to do. I've got this huge collection of short stories I've written over the years, some of which I've made into tabletop games, and some of which I've just kept expanding into. I've browsed /tg/ in the past, and I do remember there being a homebrew general, but to my memory that was more about systems and games than settings and narratives.

So this is a thread where you post your universes, kingdoms, alternate histories or whatever other background you've cooked up for your games. Describe your stuff and any issues you're having, critique others stuff and help them if they need it. If you've done any art to accompany your stories, that'll lighten the thread up a bit! I'm not massively social so I don't really get a lot of chances to /tg/ with friends, so I usually just end up creating settings and over time they get more and more complex. I would love for others to read my stories, and I welcome any comments and criticisms, as I'm sure others in my position will too.

If this thread is currently already being done, or there's a better place I can post this stuff, please let me know and I'll seek other shores.

If not however, I'm going to go ahead and post a basic idea I thought of a few weeks ago.
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>>43969033
Here's my setting:

No red phone was established following the Cuban missile crisis, so eventually in the late 70s the USSR and USA entered into a cold war. Pretty standard stuff, right. Well I've freshened things up a bit. The idea is the nuclear war didn't actually end up destroying the world, more like just destroying the US and Russia. Both are in pretty bad shape, ecologically and economically, but the rest of the world is ticking along fine. Without the two superpowers meddling in other nations affairs and trying to establish dictators or opposition parties, the world is progressing much more peacefully. The EU and Arab League are both massive economic powers, and on friendly terms. South America is a glorious drug free haven of nature. The far east, without American incentives, never industrialised, and instead is a bastion of oriental culture and sustainable development. Africa, while still suffering the terrible plight of SIDA, grows in leaps and bounds in close collaboration with its ex-imperial oppressors.

Essentially everything is nice and rosy apart from the USA and USSR, which are being managed by a newly created UN body that's trying to restore order, and try and lesson the ecological damage to the regions. I had an idea for the party to be UN operators or diplomatics, in either the USA or USSR, trying to restore order and lift the two crippled giants into the new world of plenty.
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mostly what I need for this setting are maps, place-names, country names, and a few thematic details.

oh, and to finish converting it to fit the nWoD system from pure fluff into something usable, but that's not what this thread is for. BEAR WITNESS TO MY MIGHTY SHIT-HEAP AND TREMBLE AT IT'S STUPIDITY!!

>>43969137
>the not-so-cold war
yes, this is for the most part pretty cool
except...
>peace in the Arab league
unpossible...people have been fighting over that region for centuries, for more reasons than just oil.
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>>43969137
Oh, and technology is pretty different too. Computers were never quite minimized to the extend that they are today, but they've been made incredibly cheap so not only does everyone own one, even the poorest slum child in Uganda, but they're all connected over a rudimentary internet. So communication is pretty similar. Another note on culture, the American "Hollywood" effect never occurred, so global cultures are still all pretty independent.

>>43969294
I think the same could be said for Europe. I mean not only 30 years after the French and Germans finished their biggest war, in a long bloody history of them, they had formed one of the tightest alliances in the modern age under the EU. I agree a middle war total peace is far fetched, but I don't think impossible.

I'll have a read of your PDF now, and report back what I think.

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Welcome to A Song of Revenge and Gold: House Malroy Quest. In which you take the reins of a House of storied glorious past since Aegon’s Conquering, but whose fortunes have taken a turn for the worse in the doom that Robert’s Rebellion brought. Taking place in 284AC a year after the Rebellion has ended you are Brynden Malroy, second son to Lord Vamos Malroy and Lady Esemella Hayford and the last living heir to Steadhold and House Malroy.

House Malroy is a pre-genned House designed around the idea of a story within the Crownlands of a House fiercely loyal to the Targaryens and their attempts to live in this new world after Robert’s Rebellion. The new Lord Brynden Malroy is as well pre-genned but will take direction from the players in his ways and how he develops himself further. This Quest will be moderately more story driven than others of its kind, but the development of the House and her lands will take just as much importance.

If you’ve played the one of the many Quests within the ASoIaF setting the rules of the SIFRP system should be known. I will be using the Game of Thrones edition, as well as a few of the expansions namely OOSP and a few house rules which will be explained as we come to them. If you have questions about how things work or why certain actions are taken I can explain them as we go along. In truth this is a learning experience for me as well.

Google Documents Mastersheet:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WiZG5xtDqbQKI31IIbqNb4zTmooivb0Ns_J6EatgWgY/edit?usp=sharing

Twitter:

https://twitter.com/RevengeGoldQM

Archive:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=House%20Malroy

And now without further ado.
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The Dornish sun shone through your window in just a way to warm your feet that hung listlessly over the side of your bed. Your arms hang loose, one hand fidgeting with a nail that had never quite grown back right after taking an axe in Lys. Sighing deeply your eyes come to rest upon your clothing strewn about a chair haphazardly across the room. The deep purple, black as dark as night, threads and details of gold, colors of House Malroy, of your family. For a span of years they were nothing more than a convenience, a little piece of bargaining power you threw about when you need to. Now? They represented everything you were. The very symbol of your Lordship, of your strength, of Steadhold and her reach into the Realm. It represented your Uncle, his stern and hard ways in stark contrast to your own, it represented Victus, despite his name. it represented… Her. Isis. The last few days were far and away some of the very worst of your life, finding out that Red Bastard had your sister, that they had lied to you, that she was pregnant with his spawn. Gut punch rolling into a haymaker into the face when you sat among the Hand and Princes, and used as an example, disgustingly thrown into their faces, made to pay lip service to a Queen that would sooner see you dead and Royce in your place. Your stomach had hardly settled, a want for wine and drink only partially quelling the storm that sat upon your lips in every waking since.

A finger upon your back reminds you of the other presence in your bed this early morning, tracing a long thin scar that started from your shoulder blade and ended on your side. The nail scraps harmlessly as it traces back and forth lazily, her soft finger tip sending a chill down your span as it finally comes to rest, “Lord-”

“Brynden, you can call me Brynden, Obella,” you interrupt, allowing yourself to fall back into the plush of the bed, head finding rest in a cradling arm close to her breast, the soft heartbeat pulsing in your ear.
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She smiles to you as you catch her eyes, the deep pools of blue that drank in your wildfire, in the dark of night they almost looked black, yet in early morning sun they appeared almost purple. Her hands run through your hair and into your beard, “I preferred you clean shaven,” she says with an innocent smile, her fingers scratching under your chin.

You only laugh in response, stretching out and enjoying the cool warmth of her nude form next to your own. Your own hand dances upon her cheek and she pushes into it, finding rest on the pillow behind, “I thought I need court you like a ‘proper Lady’, does a single night of dancing count as such?” you ask, the laugh still dancing upon your lips.

The Dornishwoman rolls her eyes to you, “You have had an exceedingly difficult week my Lord,” you go to interrupt but her finger places itself upon your lips, “Brynden. It was either this or I allow you to find trouble in the districts of the Winding Walls or the shadow city where an army yet still resides. Or worse yet in bed with that little trollop from the Vale, the one that stare daggers into me across the great hall all night.”

You fix her with a look and she relents, you had yet to find a way to distance yourself from Lady Giselle, the situation was far trickier than you had wished, your seething anger at being used as nothing more than a pawn to draw out the King still sat like a stone in your stomach, but not so much so that you were willing to cause a scene with the Hand of the King, nor his chosen bride to be. Though you found it odd that Obella had developed such intense feelings on the subject. no doubt her connections to the Prince affording her far more information than you would prefer at the moment. It however did not stop her visit the night prior, following after your drunken step and slipping into your room in the dead of night. Her eyes rest upon your again, looking to wish to speak, “What is it Obella?”

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