Hi /ic/,
I was wondering if any of you have any experience with making your own paper?
I've been slowly teaching myself (with varying levels of success) by using my leftover scraps of paper at home, but I'm not yet at the point where I can pump out a great number of sheets in one run - I tried making some A4 sheets today and only managed to come away with 3.
My main issue is removing the paper from the deckle and setting it up to dry, as I always seem to tear a corner or leave creases in the paper. I assume I'll get better with experience but I was hoping that one of you might be able to give me some pro tips that might to speed up my learning, or even some useful online resources or books that I can use.
>>2518910
Honest question: why do you make your own paper? Wouldn't any bought paper be much better quality? Especially if your handmade paper is just made from scraps of bought paper.
>>2518913
I like the idea of recycling my leftovers - I'm a printmaker so I end up with a lot of scrap paper from test prints which would get otherwise wasted, I was hoping that by taking up papermaking as a hobby I'd be able to supplement my paper stocks.
I also wanted to see if I could get a nice debossed relief print from handmade papers.
>>2518920
Neat. Sounds like a bit of an obscure thing to do though, so I don't know how many responses you will get.
What's the best way to advertise your own art and services (like commissions)?
Especially when you still have a small fanbase.
distributing giant joints should work
Those are clearly alpha tampons. Still works though
>>2519131
How big does your bagina have to be for those?
Hi, I need to do an impressionist portrait. I have a set of gouaches and a set of pastels. Which is better? I'm not looking for a lot of detail but I want to get the face done right/similar.
>>2518740
If you've never used either than pastel will be easier
>>2518745
Thanks
>>2518740
I suggest you start by doing studies in grayscale using gouache to see if you can get the hang of it. Same with pastels if you can.
Work on getting the likeness and values down, then start worrying about colour.
Transform the item to become robots
Welcome any comments
>>2518664
This is great and all but how about you actually show the transformation process? To me it just looks like you were inspired by those items. How does the item become the transformer?
>>2518664
Do you have some more? If so post them as well, those are pretty cool
I actually use the Transform Tool in Photoshop and SAI to create those artworks.
From top to bottom, the original graphic would be warped and transformed to have more complex and advanced pattern and structure, and those process may be implement with many times.
Finally, they will form the body parts and become the robot design.
a quick random drawings thread :)
sup guys!!!
>>2518403
My man!!! whats is going on??
please draw my waifu
I recently started taking a plein air class at a fancy atelier. I am a noob with not much experience with oil painting at all. It was expensive, but the description said all levels were welcome.
I might have gone in way over my head, because the two paintings I did on the first day were complete shit.
I had a lot of trouble identifying color and mixing it accurately with oil. I didn't know fundamental color facts like how colors farther in the distance are cooler than colors in foreground.
I feel like I've fucked up.
Can you guys recommend tips or resources for me to learn basic color fundamentals so this class won't end up as a giant waste of money for me?
Classes are weekly, every Sunday, so I'm trying to pick up knowledge before the next class.
Pic is not mine. Random google image.
>>2518104
>Pic is not mine. Random google image.
Post your own work for better feedback.
Honestly for plein air just observe the colours and try to mix them accurately.
If you want a good overview of light and colour, this site is great but somewhat technical and long:
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/
The big thing to know though is colour has three components. Value (how light or dark it is), Hue (red, orange, yellow etc), and Saturation (the intensity of it, is it greyish or colourful). There's also Temperature, which comes about from a combination of those, but it is a relative thing that changes based on colours around it.
Objects have a local colour (a green tree for example) that is then shifted based on the lighting. So a tree outside will have a warm green colour in sunlight and a cool green shadow (the shadow is influenced by the blue of the sky).
>>2518128
thanks for the feedback. i'll go through that site.
i understand those three components, but its a whole different animal outdoors, when i'm mixing on the go haha. as in i dont know how to get the values/saturation i want from the paints i have. my instructor just mixes in a tiny bit of this and that and gets the exact color he wants. i dont have that, but i guess your site will be the starting point.
i was super sad about my paintings and almost through them away. theyre just sitting in a plastic bag right now. i'll post once i get home.
>>2518131
I'm not sure if you paint digitally or not, but colour mixing in oils is a bit different.
A few things to keep in mind:
-not all colours are the same strength...a tiny tiny bit of blue will affect a large pool of yellow or white for example. So you need to just get experience of what proportions to mix things.
-most palettes use a warm and cool version of each of the primaries. Try to figure out what temperature each of your colours is.
-mixing complementary colours sort of cancels out...like mixing red and green, or a purple and yellow, gets a dark brownish colour.
-Mixing a brown and a blue is a common way of getting a black.
-whenever you mix two colours the combination will be darker than the brightest one you mixed
-since you are working in oils you can scrub off with a rag dipped in solvent or scrape with a palette knife to get rid of paint and erase a section
-painting plein air is super hard and much more difficult than painting indoors with controllable settings, so don't beat yourself up too much for not getting results you want
-Alla Prima by Richard Schmid is a great book that talks about oils, painting in general, colour, and a whole bunch of other stuff. He does primarily plein air and has step by steps. It's expensive but worth buying. Or if you are poor then you can check out the book thread and I think there is a link for it.
I lost the ability to draw with my dominate hand.
How long will it take to learn with the other hand?
Exactly seven hours and fifteen days.
>>2518030
What happened?
It will probably take a few months to get decent with your non-dominant hand, and perhaps years to reach the exact same level as you had with your dominant hand.
Just be careful in how much you do right away as it is easier to get carpal tunnel or other repetitive stress injuries if you suddenly start using that hand a ton after barely using it for your whole life.
>>2518035
>What happened?
Did the carpal tunnel exercises suggested in the beginner thread (videos and so far), only to have it completely screw up my arm. Taking psychical therapy and under going surgery, but my arm won't be the same. Trying to learn with my left, sucks to hear that it sounds like I'll have to start all over.
I've been planning on getting a sleek new printer for digital art on my course, I might need to get an A4 and A3 size if I can't find any good dual printers. Is there a verdict on here for the best printers for art?
And if any of you have a good professional printer, it might be interesting to know what price range the inks are and how frequently you need to change them. Since the real price tag is on the cartridges.
I managed to grab an Epson R2000 printer for $450. They're originally $700, but they often have massive rebates ($250) to mail in.
I also wanted to take my digital work off the screen and into the world. A lot of times, it can give it new life. Also, sharing photos of art prints on social media is more effective/engaging than sharing a file straight from your computer. Pick related is a recent print. The colors are absolutely fantastic.
The R2000 prints up to 13x19, which is just fine for my needs. I get nice thick paper from Red River Paper, and - while expensive - nice sturdy paper is worth it. You can get a cheap sample pack from them to try out all sorts of different papers.
The ink is expensive, and the printer can go through it surprisingly quickly. A full restock of all inks is $47 on Amazon right now. Good paper (~50 count) can cost anywhere from $30-$100, depending on type and quantity.
It's hard to say how long the ink lasts, since I don't rigidly track it. I'd guess that it will last around ~100 prints. You'll likely use one color more than another, so you might just have to refill an individual cartridge instead of refilling everything.
The whole thing is going to be an investment. I once sold prints at an artist market and made $400 profit, so if you're going to sell prints you can make some of your money back. I do it mainly for myself and for social media though, as selling prints in person was a ton of work and a big risk.
bump for interest
>>2517737
looks really cool man. sadly my experience with printed digital work has been very negative so far.
Do you think dedicated artists ever come here?
Do you think this place is just kids drawing high school level manga girls in their school books and tablets?
Do you think if a dedicated artist came here they would be pout off to see this place is just a bunch of kids posting their manga doodles?
>>2517684
Just go to the drawthreads and beginner drawthreads and you'll see your answer.
Maybe you should lurk more instead of being such a condescending little shit. You'd find your answer without having to make a retarded thread like this.
Let's look at the reality of things here.
Go into the drawthread, beginner thread, alt art thread, las, porn thread, sketchbook thread and study threads.
It's clear that the average skill /ic/ isn't really that great.
However there are a small handful of people here that are pretty good but the nature of /ic/ makes it difficult to tell whether those people are actually giving critiques or not.
I do believe it is possible to give critique without the skills yourself just not a full critique. You can tell someone what's wrong with their art but you might not be able to tell them how to fix it but that's alright.
/ic/'s mindset towards art is very good for improvement. Anonymity allows for the most honest critique possible. Also /ic/ is in a world of good information. I would never have found all the amazing resources needed for improving like all the good books in the book threads and all the good art in the fav art threads
4chan's reputations makes it difficult to tell whether any good artists browse this board as they're never admit to it.
The fact that we're solely interested in improving our art is respectable, any good artist will see that. Although an obvious downside to this place is that everyone is very angry and bitter. There's no reason to be angry at other artists or modern art or any of that, just get on with your own lives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJwnm-Q52NM
"The industry investing artists, excessive whilr the rest of 'em starvin', I don't respect that garbage."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5IP2cHKf_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErCjsW-gxow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X-ziPAiBlU
how did you learn about the existence of /ic/?
where you on the right path to becoming a better artist before coming here?
how long have you been here for?
>me:
found /ic/ (and by extension 4chan) through a sycra hate thread
i was doing shitty cartoons and trying to skip realism and the fundamentals because i thought it wasn't necessary
i've been here for 8 months, and owe a lot of my current skill level to the guidance and motivation that /ic/ gave me.
I knew there used to be a draw friends thread somewhere so I assumed it would be on /ic/
>>2517135
>how did you learn about the existence of /ic/?
Some people on facebook were talking about an artist, without mentioning his name, who was being pervy towards a girl at an event or something, and when she wasn't receptive apparently his response was "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!" So I think I was googling shit trying to see if they were talking about who I thought they were talking about, and I think that lead me here. So yeah, I was brought here by drama as well lol. I had heard about 4chan years ago but I thought it was just a place for pedos and other such degenerates.
Read a bunch of smack talk here about said artist, laughed a lot, then forgot about this place. Then I think it was mentioned by someone as a place to get feedback from totally random people, and I took a closer look around and starting checking back in somewhat often.
>were you on the right path to becoming a better artist before coming here?
I had pretty much given up on art without admitting it to myself.
>how long have you been here for?
Uhhhh first visited a year or two ago maybe? Started regularly visiting half a year ago maybe. I dunno.
>discovered 4chan through encyclopedia dramatica and other such sites like a 12 year old in the mid-to-late 2000's would
>Forget about it
>Decide to come back years later (2012/13 I think?), mostly browsed /v/ since I played more vidya back then
>Just a year or so ago discover "oh shit, there's an art board", been drawing since 2010 trying to emulate Yoji Shinkawa (pic related) but I still was only okay at best
>Been trying to git gud since
Glad I discovered places like this - and before that, ConceptArt - which actually encourage shitting on poorly made artwork unlike the DeviantArt circlejerk.
Although be honest I've never actually put my head down and studied fundamentals like everyone here seems to, I kinda just noticed the "shapes" of things in nature and applied them to my drawings. I can draw a decently accurate human without a reference and with little to no glaring anatomy flaws.
Which I guess is kind of the same thing but whatever.
Grand Prize
>You drew everyday for a long time, longer than anyone else. Congratulations. You are the best
Rules
>Update every day at: http://www.lavaflake.com/draw/
>The deadline for submissions is 23:59:59 GMT each day
>You should spend at least 30 minutes on each update
>Miss a day and you lose a token, FAQ is the first post.
>Miss another day within a month and you're eliminated.
>Progress updates are ok but they will be policed like other submissions
>Please wait until page 9 to start a new thread
>Please link to past thread
>Have fun.
>Please refrain from drawing sexual encounters with under age humans ;^)
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>>2517115
FAQ:
Something's broken, what do I do?
>The site is currently in the alpha phase of development and is being built around us as we compete so sometimes things go wrong. If you ever need any help send me a tweet @LavaFlake or shoot me an email [email protected].
What do we draw?
>Whatever you want. At this point there's no required topic so draw your heart out. Make sure you submit at least a half hour of work or you may get a low effort warning.
What's a low effort warning?
>The goal is to get people to draw every day by turning it into a competition. The low effort warning system is to prevent people from posting last minute, quick sketches when they're feeling lazy. If you receive a warning and it happens again within a month you'll be eliminated.
>This rule has been the cause of a lot of concern amongst newer artists so let me reiterate: this system is to police low effort content and has nothing to do with the quality of the work. New artists are more than welcome.
What happens if I'm eliminated?
>A new Last Artist Standing challenge starts every week. If you get eliminated then get it together and rejoin next week.
How can there be a new Last Artist Standing challenge every week?
>This is a way to let new artists join in and to allow re-entry for the eliminated. Every week a new challenge is started. If you joined on week 1 and make it to week 2 then your daily submission counts for both the first and second Last Artist Standing. If you get eliminated then you're eliminated from both challenges and you'll be able to rejoin next week.
Will I have an advantage if I join later in the week?
>The winner of a Last Artist Standing will be the artist with the longest streak. If you join on day 1 and last until day 85 then you'll have a streak of 85. If there's only one person left in the challenge when you're eliminated but they joined on Day 7 then they'll need to continue on for another week. If they're eliminated before then, you win.
>>2517115
This is a list of anons who regularly stream, this list will be updated as we move forward, if you wish to be included please post you name/stream profile.
>STREAMERS
https://picarto.tv/aimai
https://picarto.tv/assqi
https://picarto.tv/Containercore
https://picarto.tv/CraniumOverLord
https://picarto.tv/dotesq
https://picarto.tv/EldritchSinner
https://picarto.tv/JMGNfunbox
https://picarto.tv/lavaflake
https://picarto.tv/LoomisAlter
https://picarto.tv/magicoreo
https://picarto.tv/nakedoats
https://picarto.tv/N4F
https://picarto.tv/radianart
https://picarto.tv/Tatara
https://picarto.tv/nuckles
https://picarto.tv/andrae
https://picarto.tv/lokkilokki
https://picarto.tv/Sorensen
https://picarto.tv/lonku
https://picarto.tv/UltraBondageFairy
https://picarto.tv/VitaminNeko
https://picarto.tv/the1banana
https://picarto.tv/Choob
https://picarto.tv/susipari
twitch: professorsugoi
twitch: sketchonk
Las_streams@twitch (multistream for twitch)
Streamers, please let the thread know when you're streaming so people can join the "fun".
inb4 list of streamers
Hey, /ic/,
I already asked /diy/ and got nothing. Maybe you guys can help? I am planning on making a sculpture out of paper mache using paper, obviously. Ill seal it, prime it and paint it after. I've done this sort of thing before, like for shitty school projects, but never this big. It will be a life size woman-deity. I need to know about your experiences, thoughts and, most importantly, what is the best way to make the STRONGEST paper mache recipe I can?
>>2517096
I haven't done paper mache on that scale so can't really help. If you are concerned of it being able to support itself though then it's probably a good idea to build an armature for it.
>>2517096
I made a life-size human figure in high school. Unfortunately I don't have pictures, but in order for it to be stable, I created a PVC pipe skeleton first, then fleshed that out using chicken wire. It survived many a tumble, so I'd recommend that for strength of the overall figure. As far as the papier mache itself, perhaps using multiple layers of construction paper instead of newspaper would give you more support.
>>2517158
Righteous. Thank you
Any Irish fags here enrolled in any art schools? I'm looking at doing Animation drawing studies next year in BCFE because it looks like one of the only schools that doesn't suck. Anybody done this course before/
>>2516373
I am currently in the course actually, it's a really good course but woefully underfunded, a good chunk of the staff are from the old Bluth studios after it died. Animation Drawing Studies/CDS is piss easy to get into but pretty necessary if you don't have much experience in animation. You can get into CCH/Animation with a decent portfolio but the standards are higher, more importantly you WILL be playing catch up in CCH if you don't, most of the students will be from CDS and have been working within the college and as such have a year head start.
IADT is ok from what I heard but I don't know a huge amount about it desu
I've heard NCAD is good as well, but it's expected that a load of first years will drop out because the teachers don't give a shit about them and only want the best to stay. If you can handle that though, they've got fantastic facilities.
I'm probably going to go to IT Carlow this year because I'm a poorfag though.
>>2516388
Yeah I heard that ADS is mainly about beefin up your skillset. I've heard good things about the learning process there.
How do you find it? Is there a lot of practical work? Typical modules? Also have you noticed an improvement in your drawing skill?
Sorry for the quickfire questions, just really curious about it.
Haven't heard much about IADT either but from what I have heard it is also very underfunded. A lot of people have been complaining about lack of facilities and the like.
>>2516413
The concept of core year in schools like NCAD and LSAD is a joke desu. You're basically paying a shit ton of money for the staff to neglect your education.
b-but muh style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaXLFSK2dRs
>the comment on that video
i actually hate the art community
>>2516324
Those pimples are about to pop!
What fight? At least post some screenshot or write the story.