Why are people still falling for the Loomis meme in 2016? Loomis books are objectively boring and useless. Want to learn fundamentals? Get the Scott Robertson and Feng Zhu Gnomon dvds. Want to learn to construct the figure? Get the Michael Hampton book and subscribe to Proko. Want to improve your figure drawing? George Bridgman and Burne Hogarth. Want to broaden your knowledge of anatomy? Glenn Vilppu and Scott Eaton's videos. There is literally not a single reason to be reading Loomis in the year of our lord 2016.
>>2380534
Loomis is supposed to be a simple introduction for all the topics he covers. If you think it would be wise for a beginner to to jump right in to bridgman and hogarth, then you've never read either of them
>>2380553
Notice how the order of recommendations went from fundamentals to basic construction, to figure drawing. Bridgman and Hogarth are not what I recommended for fundamentals, so who didn't read what?
>>2380534
> Get the Scott Robertson and Feng Zhu Gnomon dvds
Which ones?
How do I draw flesh, /ic/? I want to render horrible eldritch manifestations of diseased meat.
>>2379369
take a look at some deadspace concept artwork. there are some fantadtic examples. the team even went as far as visiting butchers to refernce fresh/and bad meat etc.
>>2379369
You study meat, google rotten meat and normal meat and do value studies of it.
Some food studies might help too, remember is all rendering.
>>2379380
>>2379385
So how would I go about deliberately designing monsters, then? Even though the best examples seem organic, there has to be some kind of underlying design philosophy for what is terrifying.
well? -_-
If you meant for him to look all fucked up and weird with a skin condition then you did an OK job. If you didn't it's shit keep trying.
>>2378075
Looks like shit. Lacks foundation.
What websites have you guys used to find models in your area? And what's a good hourly rate to pay models?
I just ask my friends, or girls want to model for me, but this is because i am a photographer but i also ask if i can live paint using them as models they usually say yes.
Other than that just ask friends and have a good portafolio they would probably model for free if your good.
If you don't have any friends, you can contact your local life drawing classes (Google : cityname + life drawing) and ask if they can put you in touch with their models.
If you're a cheap asshole, use model mayhem. Be prepared for egotistical teenagers.
>>2382437
>use model mayhem. Be prepared for egotistical teenagers.
yeah that's pretty much the impression i got from the 2 seconds of browsing. a lot of "trying to get my modelling career starting hope you make me famous you fucking ass hole"
Do you know any good excercises about measuring? I am really, really bad at that to the point, that I think I am retarded and drawing isn't for me.
Bargue plate drawing is THE exercise for improving measuring skill
>>2382185
>Bargue plate drawing
Can you link this? I dont think I understand exactly what are you referring to
>>2382233
Go into your favorite search engine and search "Bargue plate"
What do you think about contemporary art and why?
I'm an artist in a graduate school that is very engaged in the theory of contemporary art and how it relates to other disciplines as well as art theory/history. I'm trying to gauge the general perspective/understanding that other communities have of contemporary art.
Also, feel free to ask me any questions related to contemporary art.
>>2365766
/ic/ doesn't count for shit bro, this board is full of teenagers who are weaning themselves off of anime as they dream of becoming MtG card illustrators once they're out of high school.
generally speaking /ic/ has no appreciation for modern or post-modern art, and has 0 appreciation for art history. you honestly will have much better luck on the art history subreddit.
>>2365766
Define "contemporary" art.
>>2365846
Generalization bruh, there are some non illustrators here, I'm trying to get my fine arts on, taking some courses at the Uni painting and reading studies on the side attending receptions discovering the contemporary in my local context. Don't write off ic
Anyway, my issue is these 400level courses relate to art at a higher non medium specific level. Have any texts or artists / resources you can drop in regard to painting?
I've been digging the screen works of Dave Stonhouse as of late, fucker has like 30 of these bitches done. Was just on exhibit at PAVEsD in Saskatoon here.
第四次元超立方体
literally the best thread on here and nobody gives a fuck
fuck you cancerous swine
>>2382144
what are we supposed to say? Are we just going to discuss that there is a hyper cube in front of us?
Despite the fact that the rules state not to be insulting and instead be constructive with your criticism on here, I'm not surprised that no one here seems to know how to do anything but be a douche to one another, especially people who are very clearly beginners.
So what does constructive criticism mean to you, d/ic/ks? Does it mean yelling "Loomis" and nothing else? Does it mean telling someone they suck, their art is garbage, that they should give up? Does it mean telling someone what areas they need to work on, and possibly how to go about it?
It's obvious what my opinion on this is. I'm not saying everyone needs to compliment sandwich every piece they see. If someone basically rubbed their ass on a piece of paper and is acting like it's God's Gift, then yeah tear them down..
But if it's a beginning artist (or even an advanced artist) and they're asking for advice, crits, what looks off, don't tell them it sucks and nothing else. Don't tell them to brush up on fundamentals without explaining what part of the drawing makes you say that (is the head mis-shapen? figures too flat? Etc).
Someone told me I needed to brush up on my facial structure on a pic I posted.
A different person told me my drawing looked "Fucked up" and nothing else.
Which comment do you think helped me to imrpove the areas I was struggling on?
>>2376044
>Does it mean telling someone they suck,
Yes. Look, I know it's not nice, but the foundation of criticism is pointing out flaws. "It sucks" isn't great criticism by any measure, but sometimes there's little else to same. What do you say when everything is wrong? And some people just need to be told their work is bad to break through their ego and give them the kick in the ass to work on their art. Some people need that harshness, and this is 4chan, the perfect environment for it.
>their art is garbage, that they should give up?
Obviously this is in no way constructive. The thing about sucking...everyone sucks at some point. Sucking at something is the starting place, but telling someone to give up isn't constructive. You can't get good at anything if you give up.
>Does it mean telling someone what areas they need to work on, and possibly how to go about it?
This is the best way to go about it.
>But if it's a beginning artist (or even an advanced artist) and they're asking for advice, crits, what looks off, don't tell them it sucks and nothing else. Don't tell them to brush up on fundamentals without explaining what part of the drawing makes you say that (is the head mis-shapen? figures too flat? Etc).
Ok. What do you say when everything is wrong? This is why Loomis became such a catch-all response, it's far, far easier than typing out a detailed response about why everything is wrong(especially when newbies are so common). And it can be really, really discouraging to anyone new to the hobby to get some essay length criticism about how everything they're doing is wrong. Loomis is a pretty shitty response, but at least it gives a direction and the implied criticism that comes with it - "Your fundamentals are bad."
>>2376062
While I agree that sometimes people's egos are a little too inflated and need to be taken down, I see it said to absolute beginners who aren't confident in their skills and just want some genuine feedback on if they're on the right path or not. While I'm sure you, anon, would give a bit more help than just "It sucks." I see a lot of comments that are literally the insult and nothing else. No encouragement to start over, no push towards fundamentals, just an insult and that's it, and for fleding artists that's a little harsh when they don't deserve it y'know?
When everything is wrong it's still better to say "Everything is off, work on your fundamentals" not, literally only "Loomis." It's an /ic/ meme at this point so many don't take a single word response very seriously and try it out. I understand your point of view on it and I agree that it's quicker, and more concise but it still doesn't really give much feedback.
I'll drop it on the "Loomis" response however as I do see your point and it isn't really that harmful unlike some of the other comments.
>>2376044
I'm going to be a little blunt on this, but I only accept constructive criticism from someone at my level or higher, or someone that really really knows the subject at hand by backing what he says with precision.
I already know what people say to this, "but you don't need to draw well to give good criticism" and that's maybe true, but it's something I just don't accept on principle, I will always value the better artist's view than the shitty stickman drawing guy. If I want an advice on a certain car maneuverability, I will take the driver's advice over the guy that doesn't drive but knows his stuff about cars.
>>2376366
This is what I truly can't understand on /ic/ though, artists shitting on each other when we are so few, instead of helping each other and growing together, and don't tell me this is some Utopian power of friendship bullshit. This attitude is just bringing /ic/ down, there's around 4, maybe 5 good artists here, and there's shitpost everytime they show their work.
same for Firez, I mean the dude is just trying to improve, and there's constant trolling and shitstorms at every post he does. I just don't understand it, the guy is doing the same thing you do, like art the same way you do, why try to bring him down ? this is why many of the good artists leave, and the upcoming artists from here will leave too, or at least lurk only.
Anyone else just want to burn their sketchbook?
Also:
>Only motivation for drawing is being horny.
>Never feel inspired to draw badass things like buildings, dinosaurs, cars, weapons, armor, etc.
I keep my old sketchbooks around BECAUSE they are so disgusting
Anytime I feel like what I just drew was total shit I go to look at my drawings from months ago and I am immediately assuaged
>>2356555
>Spending hours trying to problem solve a pose from imagination using what you've learned from life and study material.
There's nothing quite like the feeling you get when you solve it and get a sense of personal accomplishment.
>Only motivation for drawing is being horny
Really?
Hello /ic/ !
I am wondering how to make my website more aesthetically pleasing, and/or professional if need be, I am an architect student looking for any internship possible and was hoping that this might raise my chances. Thank you very much!
https://briebraukmann.wordpress.com/
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>>2381851
look the folios of art center architecture graduates and copy their styles/layouts. serious.
That would be /gd/, not /ic/.
Anyone up for some online drawing?
Nothing too serious, stupid fun.
Could always help out others, start a collab etc.
Room: Planet
http://4chan.drawplanet.net/
Bumperino
Bumping.
Get in here faggots.
>>2378384
whoever drew one px hitler did a good job.
Been a long time like a weekish and the thread is long overdue, hopefully what would be great is that if I can't find any time to make a new thread then other anons should do it for me, just like the draw threads.
So as you can tell by the subject of the thread, what we'll be working on today is a concept known as interlocking forms. Like I mentioned ages ago that a warhammer illustration just contains thousands of objects/gradients - likewise those objects in some instances or many can be locked together to form strange and complex objects/shapes. This is the essence of what building an illustration is all about.
So the task for this thread?
Task:
You will need to develop 4 seperate segments showing analysis and study in the concept or interlocking forms.
Each segment will contain 3 phases.
Phase 1: Your drawing phase, here you will draw the forms together, focusing on shape, perspective, scale and line confidence.
Phase 2: You will begin developing your lighting and values, where you will show how that object will be lit in 3 dimensional space.
Phase 3: You will finish with a rendered version of the drawing you began with. Paying high attention to core-shadows, occlusion shadows, bounce-light, direct light, highlights and drop shadows.
If you can make use of 3D software do so as it is useful or you can find a relative source on the internet. I also recommend setting up your own lighting if you have an object that has some form of interlocking going on. For example a mug (Cup) etc.
Useful source:
http://www.erikgist.com/ErikGist_WattsAtelierFigureTutorial.pdf
>>2381636
I also recommend you do 2 segments on basic shapes, not going into detail and the finale 2 segments based on some form of human anatomy or complex mechanical forms that you may find in.. say a stripped down engine for example.
Good luck. Have fun and this thread is to help everyone learn together.
>>2381639
will post a few references.
>started 2 month ago
>tfw accidentally polished shit
WHY DO THIS KEPT HAPPENING
Just play tf2 man be a real nigga like me books r shit
>>2375337
Don't spend too much time on drawing one picture.
t. someone who only draws ellipses, straight lines and basic head construction, literally nothing else
>>2375337
What works for me is, instead of drawing something and polishing it, I draw the thing I want to draw with minimal detail, usually smaller too. Then I draw it again changing what doesn't feel right, and then again until I can feel good about it. Then I polish it.
Even if it's polished shit, I know I tried my best to elevate it from being shit before polishing.
I need some opinions on whether to buy a Wacom cintiq 2nd hand or a surface pro for less money, I want to be able to take which ever anywhere and to be able to stream and draw at the same time. Any opinions are helpful.
>>2369547
For me, I always buy equipments like this brand new rather than 2nd hand in order for you to avail the warranty it has.
Also, if you buy a 2nd hand gadget, try to buy something refurbished from the manufacturer or someone you trust.
Or , if you are patient enough, try to wait until the price drops before you buy it. Nothin bad with buying an older tech as long as it does the job.
Just my take, OP.
>>2369547
depends. If it isn't a cintiq companion then you wont be able to draw on it without a laptop to power it up. The companions are like regular tablets, all others are regular monitors.
>>2369547
Samsung 7 Series Slate
The California College of the Arts is offering a free online course on comic making. Thoughts?
www.kadenze.com/courses/comics-art-in-relationship/info
>>2380835
The instructor only has 1 comic published (correct me if I'm wrong) called homeless shelter and it looks like heavily referenced, no style, utter garbage. I can't even find his portfolio.
It couldn't hurt, right?
>>2380835
what a fucking joke, the main instructor literally traces.
![Fábio-Magalhães-01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KWL1pN1.jpg "Fábio-Magalhães-01[1]")
