Post your workstation and food. Im having onions and saurkraut dumplings before i start working on some anatomy practice.
>>2441662
>saurkraut dumplings
pic unrelated
I am a professional in the 3d industry and have basic drawing skills but ultimately want to get better, but I feel im in between loomis and all that and basic perspective, but i still struggle with getting to the next level. Can anyone help me and talk w/ me about potential study paths to follow?
My goals are:
- the usual concept art paintings like jama jurabev and maciej and so on
- fashion and portrait drawings in that similar style but actual line art too. Just solid realism, being able to draw environments and people and faces and all that. from study and imagination.
What ive studied in the past:
- Perspective, i have a solid grasp on the fundamentals and don't need to revisit boxes and moving shapes around in space, but I can definitely get better at it I'm sure
- Figure drawing, took multiple classes. Not bad, but my limit comes in getting them to look better after the 1-3 min mark. My fast gestures are okay, my detail renderings and shit are .. shit.
- Loomis and bridgeman books, ive drawn every image in them front to back.
So its like.. do I go back for another round of that? Do I move forward to do x and try x? What might that be? Im a bit stuck. I wouldn't say im a beginner to drawing and need to start with the basics, but im definitely not good enough to say pay the bills with concept art.
My utmost goal would be to begin to be able to draw faces and realistic looking characters so I can build off of that and get into industrial /product studies and then paintings and environments.
Thank you.
> Figure drawing, took multiple classes. Not bad, but my limit comes in getting them to look better after the 1-3 min mark.
seems like you might be drawing too fast if your done after 3 minutes. whats your drawing process like? do you draw without thinking or do you pause every couple strokes and plan ahead?
One thing I noticed you didn't mention as well is anatomy, can you draw an accurate skeleton from imagination? Do you know what each muscles insertions and origins are?
Loomis is great but is more basic when it comes to anatomy , you'll need to do indepth study with books like atlas of human anatomy in order to get to a high level.
>>2450477
Oh so I meant 1-3 min gestures, like those sites / in figure drawing classes where the poses would change really quickly. I draw messy and heavy so even when it goes to the 10 min poses my results don't really get better since its already plagued by the heavy messy under drawing
I've been working on removing that by being more deliberate, which is why I'm leaning towards going back into some books and doing front to back studies but this time much cleaner.... But that doesn't solve the subject matter questions really.
We had some anatomy clases, I do know the origins of a lot of muscles and certain landmarks to look out for.. I would say its worse than my perspective though.
I can do an okay skeleton from imagination. I feel way more confident with a skeleton than an actual portrait
I'm not baiting, it's true. Why is this? I spent a while in Japan and the average person on the street could probably draw a better human figure than the marity of people on /ic/, I'm not even kidding, there is that much of a skill gap. What makes them so great?
>>2438882
>I spent a while in Japan and the average person on the street could probably draw a better human figure...
And were supposed to believe you?
You were in Japan, for a while. So 1-4 years? Even more?
And yet it never occured to you to simply ask them?
I know your statements are wrong, but atleast try to follow an inner logic when you make them. Right now not only are they factually wrong, but they also violate the logic of your story itself.
Could be their language and handwriting. All japanese have a ton of pencil mileage from having to learn all those individual characters. I think people on average were better at drawing in the west too back when handwriting was more emphasized in school.
>>2438882
>I'm not baiting, it's true.
If you're not baiting, then you're just plain old retarded.
trying to find the original artist who painted pic related
I've used it in a derivative work and I want to give proper credit
I think the guy might be russian, google returned only secondary sources, non of which gave the original artist credit either
>>2452127
sign on it is ZB i think (bottom right)
anyway these are the layers cut out
literally the second link in my search, OP.
Time and Tide by Andrew Brady.
http://andrew-brady.deviantart.com/art/Time-and-Tide-FOR-PRINT-487723653
As a 26 years old guy living in a third world country, it is possible for me to live off art? I've seen a lot of artists doing well so i want to give it a try.
Pic related not my art.
>>2451506
yes. 1k usd a month is very very easy to do.
It all depends on your living situation. If you have years ahead of you where you can dedicate yourself to constant effort in practice, you will eventually make a living off of it, but don't make any poor bets. You're not very young, so you have to decide whether or not you want to struggle with something relatively few people ultimately become successful at, or just choose a safer career and try to live comfortably. You can always study art as a hobby in your spare time, and maybe someday down the road change your career to art.
Put your financial security ahead of anything else. If you're going to college take something that will provide you with a guaranteed and reasonable income.
You could practice art for years and just never get anywhere with it. Nobody can say whether you have the right mentality for it without actually seeing where you've gone with it after a lot of time and effort.
Yeah, man. You can totally do it, but you have to be really good.
And no, you don´t have to be "really good" because of your situation, but because only the "really good" people make it.
Can you post your work, famiglia? And which country you from, out of curiosity.
Are there any good art-related podcasts I can listen to while drawing?
>>2436543
i'm very interested in that: having something to listen is literally the only thing that motivates me to begin painting, and keep doing it for hours.
Music and audiobooks are ok, but would be interesting listening something art related once in a while.
>>2436543
Sleepycabin.
CUPodcast
Protip: Ignore Ian
Does anyone find digital painting lazy nowadays? I watch youtube videos of people digitally painting and how many "tricks" these supposed "professionals" get away with.
They actually still used burn for shading and dodge for highlighting. It also seemed they spent a lot of time playing around with various effects instead of actual painting. Especially various filters, like lens flare (really!) Playing around with filter opacity can only get you so far if your coloring and painting technique are weak.
I understand that in visual art, a lot of the time the end justifies the means, especially if people can't tell either way. But then there are obnoxious shortcuts. Like using texture brushes to paint something simple as clouds. Or using photo manipulations of 3D renderings or photographs as a backdrop. Don't even get me started on paintovers.
Yes it works, and it can look decent, but I am starting to notice that digital painting has started into merge into this generic, flat "look" such as in pic related. Mobile games and slot machines seem to look this way.
Is it because digital artists all sort of use the same techniques? Yes, there are examples of great digital paintings but they are more of the exception. Also, with advances in screen resolution and color output, there is more demand for larger, more detailed, more vibrant digital art. But it is all starting to look the same to me.
>They actually still used burn for shading and dodge for highlighting
When you blend colors digitally it tends to kill saturation (since it's calculating a numeric value, not having two pigments interact). This is why digital paintings have a tendency to have all kinds of issues with saturation that a traditional painter doesn't have to think about as much. I find blending and layer modes extremely helpful in this regard.
>>2451875
it's because this shit takes zero skill whatsoever. and that's why 'getting good' or 'muh portfolio' is total bs. you've noticed yourself that the amount of crutches these professionals seem to build their work on is through the fucking roof, and that's why this 'skill' is completely void of any inherent value.
Just like Rahid and Kumar started taking every webdesigners jobs back in the early 2000's, the average first-world 16 year old that torrented photoshop can now do the same kind of work that 90% of professional digital artists out there do. he might have to watch a few youtube videos but that's about it. oh and software is coming with increasingly better 3d-model poser software, etc etc. there is only a little value left in the ability to conceptualize cool looking shit. who knows how long that will last.
if you think you want to do this shit professionally, believe me... you don't. don't ruin your life.
>>2451908
Just like all art jobs disappeared when photos were invented
Would anyone here recommend art clubs or social groups if you're a total novice looking to get into drawing? I fail to get into a lot of things, especially considering I get about 10 minutes of social interaction a week or so. Being lonely is a huge demotivator.
>actively choosing to spend time with people instead of drawing
it's like you people don't want to make it.
>>2451623
Spending time drawing and talking about art, though?
>>2451650
Nah, it's a good idea. It will help get you some motivation to draw and it's more fun with others.
The only downfall to such things are that they can turn into circlejerks.
what drug can I take to be instantly better at drawing? I need something to leap me forward, all this practice is leaving me pretty discouraged. any advice on sucessful leaps would be amazing.
cyanide
>>2450443
amonia
>>2450448
Be sure to take it with DMT.
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this link directs you to see the past submissions of artist without being part of the challenge. sort of like a "passive viewer mode" empty apartment with broken dreams
>http://lavaflake.com/draw/active.php
I see we all seem to be enjoying the tribunal? thats always fun haha. remember you need to view the submission before actually being able to vote!
you're doing a great job anons! I believe in your progress.
Does vilppu even have a finished work?
a full scale painting or anything like that?
He's too good for finished work
Only capitalist sellouts make art for the purpose of selling it
That's all that "finished" art is
>>2443408
lol not sure if serious
if yes, proceed by killing yourself
>>2443402
I have also wondered this. Perhaps he only sells them though local shows so he doesn't devalue his hart by spreading it around online, but who knows. He's an amazing draftsman though.
Well?
I haven't used my tablet in 2 years, I mostly do traditional.
>>2443789
this is a pretty funny joke. keep the laughs coming, anon
Hello /ic/.
What is the best software to draw using a mouse? I am both poor and stingy and can't be fucked to buy a tablet, and I also don't have a scanner to upload my pen and paper drawings.
Illustrator or any vector program, really.
They're less about the gesture of drawing but rather pulling and manipulating curves and shapes to draw.
Drawing with a mouse in a raster-based software is fundamentally retarded, and a massive waste of time.
>>2451055
Thanks
Pencil and Paper 2016 is really fits mouse users.
Does anyone else here hate drawing people you know personally, like a friend, family member or partner?
It's not that I'm not confident enough to do it just I'm worried it will insult it in some way. Or the opposite, even if it does turn out fine, in the case of family, they gush over it and make it a big thing among relatives which brings awkward attention.
I remember when I was maybe 11, my sister just had a baby at the time. So while the baby was asleep in her crib I tried drawing her. I personally didn't think it was great but of course my sister and my mom thought it was amazing and wouldn't stop raving and gushing over it among the rest of the family exclaming "OMG LOOK ANON DREW THE BABY ISNT IT AMAZING" and it just made me feel awkward and uncomfortable.
But even today, my boyfriend keeps asking me to draw his face on the Hulk's body for no random reason other that he thinks it's funny. I don't want to do it because I feel weird about the idea of drawing my boyfriend's face on the body of the Hulk. It's a mix of not wanting to draw because I wont get the right expression right. Drawing it alone will take time due to the amount of reference I need to draw everything right, and overall I just don't want ro draw it because it's just fucking weird and I don't need or want anyone else to see it. The idea of drawing it makes me feel embarrassed.
An I wrong? Does anyone else here hate drawing people they know personally, especially for a weird request?
I don't like it either. It's easier to feel like it doesn't look right when it's a face you're really familiar with, and I'm in the same boat as you about the attention thing.
I drew a picture of our family dog for my mother and she framed it and shows people. I'm flattered, but it's also not a very good drawing so it's a bit embarrassing.
>It's not that I'm not confident enough to do it just I'm worried it will insult it in some way. Or the opposite, even if it does turn out fine, in the case of family, they gush over it and make it a big thing among relatives which brings awkward attention.
This is exactly how I feel.
>>2450075
This is why I have some cute, generic style to fall back on when someone insists I draw them. If it's generic enough it'll look cute and they'll think i's flattering. Everyone's always been overjoyed using this.
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>>2448560
how do you delete threads anyway
btw last thread didnt reach the bump limit
>>2448565
This looks familiar...
>>2448569
Yes. This is bad sign tho
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