Are there any philosophers that deal with the belief in a God and free will? What does /his/ think?
I was thinking today, about God, and it seems to me that if He were omniscient, as He is generally thought to be, then He must have known the complete history of His creation from the moment He said "let there be light." If one knows every single variable affecting an event, as God must given His omniscience, then one can calculate with absolute certainty the outcome of that event. This would mean, then, that from the beginning of time God knew exactly which atoms would go on to create which people, and how each of those people would behave and act given their circumstances and which people would go to Heaven or Hell. How can God be just or loving or good if he created a world where some people were predetermined to go to Hell, where they had no choice to be anything other than what they are because God made them that way? I feel this would be a serious problem for Christianity, or any religion with an omniscient God, and I'm sure there's some theodicy or other that deals with it and would like to learn more on the topic.
I posted it on /lit/ but this philosophy is probably better suited to here
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You can argue that God is just because evil people go to hell even if he created them to be evil. Society does that all the time when puts criminals in prisons even if they care into crime only because they are neglected by society in the first place. God in be loving in some crazy way where he loves you but want to watch you suffer anyway.
>>772263
It was Darrow in the Leopold and Loeb murder case, if my memory serves me correctly, that argued for the societal hard determinism that you're talking about. I'd argue, though, that society influences us in the way we behave and act, that seems obvious enough, but it is possible to go beyond that. Not every person who had the typical childhood of a psychopath, neglectful parents etc etc, becomes a psychopath so that's more of a soft kind of determinism and thus the justice system is justified. When we bring God into the equation, though, he creates us to go to Hell. We can't be anything other than what God creates us, I think is my point, and that makes the existence of evil and evil people a choice that he made. The Irenaean theodicy doesn't really get around this, given that the basis for it is we have free will.
>>772243
It's not a problem for us at all. We're not privy to what God knows, and He's not heavy handed when it comes to our decision making processes.
Just as you cannot surprise God, you cannot disappoint Him, either. And in that truth lies a wealth of peace.
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Which do you think is the superior legal system: common law or civil law?
What's the difference.
>>771929
As i understand it, in common law previous rulings are treated as precedents to be followed and in civil law past rulings are seen as being more advisory
how they differ?
How do materialists define the property "truth"? It can't be defined by perception, because that would be idealism. And so one else gave an example before about if no one ever existed and a zombie wrote a book to describe things it could be true, but the zombie would just be writing scribbles and gibberish in that case. So do materialists basically define truth as "that which is material"?
>>771902
Depends on the theory of truth they hold.
We pray to the Lord Materios to impart His Divine Wisdom by gnostic revelation.
>>771924
Could you give some examples?
Was Thatcher right to sink the Belgrano /his/?
>She is the only ship ever to have been sunk during military operations by a nuclear-powered submarine[1] and the second sunk in action by any type of submarine since World War II
Huh, I didn't know that.
So wait were "submarines" just a meme?
>>771797
No, their primary users just haven't gone to war.
>>771797
Submarines were extremely effective in the Pacific and Atlantic theaters of World War II. As far as you can get from a meme weapon
What are you reading /his/?
Still slowly getting through Will Durant Story of Civilization.
>>771738
"Destined to Reign" by Joseph Prince.
Scepticism and the Possibility of Knowledge by A.C. Grayling
How did Kant's epistemological considerations play a role in his political philosophy ?
>>771658
He was never really 'politically involved' in the same way you would consider many of philosophers at the time. Kant's philosophy fell out of his golden rule, and the politics fell out of that by extenston. As Kant believed knowledge claims could be synthetic apriori, he was much more interested in proving these and letting the political analytic apriori claims fall out of that
He wasn't really a political philosopher
>>771780
That's bollocks- his system of right was political. It was about the creation of a state that respected the primary law, freedom- which then protects the universal autonomy of its citizens. Don't post if you don't know anything.
So while reading and listening about Roman/Pagan-European history with Christianity I often read about:
>about how conversion is really a generational thing
Disregarding the clergy, the population just suddenly doesn't become "Christian" in a sense, like Africans they hold onto old religious traditions and seem to practice some sort of "mutualism", where they just absorb Jesus/God in their pantheon or just replace Sol Invictus with him, etc
They often practice their old religious rituals too, this time just in the name of their new deity.
Reactions from the clergy like Muslims not being allowed to pray at the zenith of the mid-day sun can be seen as evidencce for those kind of things.
So I really want to know more about that, do you know any examples of such things? I think this is really interesting.
I'll give an example:
>Based on old reneveration of Sol Invictus some bishops noticed how a few Christians turn to the sun and bow before it after church service.
>Also Marriage in Christian Spain was for a long time secular.
>>771651
One anon once pointed out that all these angels in Catholicism are likely Germanic influence. They are depicted as blonde warriors, carrying swords and stuff.
A more clear and modern example is in Brazil, slaves brought their gods from Africa, and after the Church started cracking fown on those pratices, the African gods were each assigned a Catholic saint and worshipped by proxy, mixing up the religions eventually.
To this day there are still some small rituals associated with African gods that are still praticed commonly.
Mexico has their santa Muerte thing which is definitely not Catholic. I've also read that Spaniards took over an Aztec temple of a female goddess and dedicated it to Mary. For a long time locals refered to Mary by the goddess' name. It was the site of an important Marian apparition too.
>>772357
>One anon once pointed out that all these angels in Catholicism are likely Germanic influence. They are depicted as blonde warriors, carrying swords and stuff.
I love stuff like this and that makes sense.
I heard that the aryan heresy as expecially a large germanic influence and even depicted jesus with a spear.
>Mexico has their santa Muerte thing which is definitely not Catholic. I've also read that Spaniards took over an Aztec temple of a female goddess and dedicated it to Mary. For a long time locals refered to Mary by the goddess' name. It was the site of an important Marian apparition too.
They took over a mayan temple? one of those pyramids?
that would be kinda awesome
Speaking of the New World, unfortunately everything I find on "teologia india" is in Romance languages.
Long story short: Catholics try to fuse their theology with local pre-Colombian pagan symbols and festivites and shit, to allow for a transition to a conversion to happen smoothly without too much crusading.
A more basic example is the obsession Norwegians have with forests, walking through them and using them as places of meditation, the Church never opposed or otherwise inhibited those activities, but readily made them their own.
>1914: The Russian Empire despite it's vast natural resources, manpower and territory is a backwards nation where most people are illiterate peasants, the army is composed of half starved conscripts, industry is severely limited and the army runs out of shells in due to rule by an inferior autocratic monarchy and incompetent regressive nobles who want to pretend it's still the middle ages. It runs out of bullets after six months of fighting and get's it's butt kicked by the forces the germans don't send against the French and British.
>1945: The Soviet Union after facing the devastation of the First World War, the Russian Civil War and Famine as well as having much of it's population and industrial base devastated by the Nazi Army has managed to produce tens of thousands of tanks and planes and outfit millions of soldiers and not only stop and repulse the nazis, but push them back into germany, snuff out the third reich and save eastern europe from a future of illiterate serfdom after mass culling through starvation under the nazi yoke.
>1949: Soviet Scientists and Engineers construct the first soviet Atomic Bomb a mere four years after the US did so. Creating the infrastructure to make an atomic bomb was no easy feat especially back in the day.
>1957: After recovering from the devastation of the Second World War, the USSR puts the Sputnik-1, the first man-made object into space.
Today: historic illiterates say the USSR never accomplished anything.
>>771274
>Soviet Scientists and Engineers
Don't you mean Soviet spies?
Isn't illiterate serfdom exactly what future had in store for eastern europe under USSR?
>>771288
Even assuming spies played a role in the matter of the soviet atomic program their is only so much information they could obtain and relay back to moscow. They would not be providing exploded diagrams for every single component for every single machine at every stage in the complicated process of atomic weapons construction.
Fuck yes.
Do you agree /his/?
>>771227
Man can't destroy a woman. Checkmate.
>>771233
I destroyed your mum last night, m8
>>771246
all womans, a donkey tail. Without womans men can't do reproduce.
Could we have a tnread about tribal people?
Is ot true what they say about tne tribal life being harsh and brutal, or are they ador even more peaceful than modetnliving people?
>>770740
it is brutal according to us, not to them. Liberals cannot stand that a society is less liberal than them, more so when the society gets bigger to the point of threatening the liberals.
>>770740
1.So like tribe is a political unit not a way or being or living
2.lots of variables like access to resources, land, assimilation laws, etc...
3.what are the conditions of a particular group.
Moriori were pacifists, certain Papuan groups utilized ritualized "warfare" and revenge/honor killings. Arguable resource competition is the ultimate factor in how a society forms and engages within and outside of a community like any other political or demographic unit.
Anyways I love what I call "little peoples" small specialized populations in extreme conditions. Namibian Strandloopers, Seri, Morirori, Aeta, etc...
Wipe them the fuck out.
Daily reminder that France wasn't a "nation" until 1870
If Angevin Empire had conquered whole of the France, French Revolution wouldn't occur and commies never exist. XD
>>770708
well said
>>770708
> Angevin Empire
The memiest of empires, literally Eternal Anglo version of WE WUZ EMPERORS AND SHIT.
Is there a western equivalent to the romance of the three kingdoms?
Every Roman civil war ever?
Maybe greek city states : athens, sparta, thebes.
You need to explain further what are the requirements of this equivalent going to be.
I don't think there is a single historical novel set in any Western interregnum that had a comparable success to ROTK.
Okay /his/.... What the hell is happening in this board? Why are there, at any given time, a dozen religion / Christian threads......
At the rate this is going to turn into /rel/igion.... Should we just introduce a religion general thread or ban discussion of non-historical (non-faith) religious events?
This is just shitting up the board. Anyone agree or am I alone here?
I'm glad you liked my filename enough to keep it and just ignore it what you don't like. Make the threads you want to see. Bump the threads you want bumped. Hide christfags threads if you care to.
Works for quest threads, e-celebs, and stealth current events posting.
>What the hell is happening in this board?
Christtards being christtards. I don't think these retards will ever learn how to argue a point and not come across as gigantic morons
>>770551
Yeah it was chuckle worthy.
I'm just concerned of /his/ turning into a /b/.
Not in the sense of "random" but in the sense of "same shit everyday".
This board was gold in the first few weeks, but the change is very apparent. Very apparent.
Why did Central America have more advanced civilizations than South, North Americas and Australia until the arrival of EU?
>>770310
Well the Incas lived on the sides of fucking mountains, so they fact that they were able to create a civilization at all is amazing.
Why did Central America progress more quickly than the rest of North America? I don't know. It could have been the fact that Central America was a crossroads of trade.
>>770310
I don't remember the European Union ever contacting ancient America.
North America did have advanced civilizations. It wasn't all just tepees and nomads. Pic related is Cahokia, from Missouri.
Incas were South Americans btw.
What was the best Roman Imperial dynasty? What was the worst? Eastern Roman dynasties naturally count.
I personally think the Severan dynasty was the worst and most of the reasons for Rome's fall can be traced to them.
>>769993
AURELIAN'S THWARTED LINE
>>770349
But Aurelian is one of the best emperors
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