Why was Lee so well loved and respected by both sides in the American Civil War?
He betrayed the Union and failed the Confederacy. I'm not diminishing the military accomplishments he did have, but I don't get why the generals fighting against him thought so well of him while the men fighting for him loved him like a grandfather.
Brit here, so please be gentle if my analysis of the ACW is off.
I saw this blurb and it inspired me to make this thread:
> After President Dwight D. Eisenhower revealed on national television that one of the four “great Americans” whose pictures hung in his office was none other than Robert E. Lee, a thoroughly perplexed New York dentist reminded him that Lee had devoted “his best efforts to the destruction of the United States government” and confessed that since he could not see “how any American can include Robert E. Lee as a person to be emulated, why the President of the United States of America should do so is certainly beyond me.” Eisenhower replied personally and without hesitation, explaining that Lee was, “in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. . . . selfless almost to a fault . . . noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history. From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities . . . we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.”
>>939485
My understanding is that he served the Confederacy purely out of loyalty to Virginia rather than ideological affinity to the CSA, so he's seen as more of a tragic hero than a villain.
>No one put greater stock in American manhood than Theodore Roosevelt, who, with characteristic restraint, pronounced Lee “the very greatest of all the great captains that the English-speaking peoples have brought forth” and declared that his dignified acceptance of defeat helped “build the wonderful and mighty triumph of our national life, in which all his countrymen, north and south, share.” A generation later, as readers devoured Douglas Southall Freeman’s adoring four-volume biography of Lee, another President Roosevelt would simply laud him “as one of our greatest American Christians and one of our greatest American gentlemen.”
He really sounds like he was an amazing man of his era.
Can anyone recommend a book on him?
>>939485
>He betrayed the Union and failed the Confederacy
Please tell me which side invaded the other side again?
Also, the Confederacy was pretty much a lost cause to begin with. The sheer manpower and industrial power of the North almost ensured a Union win even before the war started. It's amazing that Lee not only beat the North regularly, most of the times with vastly inferior numbers and resources, but was actually at one point in a position to take Washington and possibly secure victory for the South.
Apart from this, he was a man of great integrity and magnanimity.
My favorite Lee story is pretty amazing. Basically the first Sunday after he surrendered, he went to Church. The preacher gave a huge depressing speech about the death of the South and what not Anyways, at the end of the service, as communion was about to be dispensed, a black man approached the altar. Of course everyone in the church was appalled. So Robert R. Lee went up and knelt next to the black man.
/his/
What kind of religion did the Nazis have?
>Was it Catholicism, Protestantism or Paganism?
>>938970
Religion wasn't really a big part of Nazism. Hitler sometimes used it as a tool, that's all.
>paganism
Certainly not. Most Nazis were either raised Catholic or Protestant.
Hitler = Catholic or lapsed Catholic
Göring = Lutheran
Himmler, Bormann = Pagans
>>938970
National socialism was a secular religion by and of itself. It used religious terminology and ritual. It had relics like the Blutfahne It transcendentalized the idea of race to stand in for a deity.
While it did use actual religion, it was purely as a means to an end.
Pagan revival was sorta kinda big in certain circles, mostly those earlier associated with ariosophy and volkism, but it would never have caught on with the larger masses. If it lasted longer they'd seek to "aryanize" Christianity, along the lines of Rosenberg who claimed that Jesus was by blood an Amorite, not a Jew and so an Indo-European (not true) and Aryan.
Any Slovenians on here that could answer a question of mine.
Is this guy any easier to understand when he speaks Slovenian?
[sniffs in Slovenian]
>>938790
The sniffing and shirt tugging is a nervous tick and I'm pretty sure the 'sh' instead of 's' is just an indiosyncracy of his speech, although I'm not a Slovene
Historical figures that did it all and got away with everything.
>>938782
Why were the High Ranking Nazis such deformed faggots?
>>938797
I don't see anything deformed about him.
How might the Ottoman Empire have survived WWI?
Was there any way to stay out?
>>938760
M8 it was already being dismantled by the Young T*rks in 1910's.
Though they weren't letting the Middle East go though.
Isn't there a risk it would just have been invaded by Russia or some other colonial power because of "Muh opreesed Christian breathern!"?
>surviving ottoman empire
why would you even want that. post lausanne turkish republics was the best outcome for turkey compared to others after WW1. they regained eastern thrace and istanbul and some other part in the east.
Why do so many think Germany could still win the wat late 1918?
>>938552
Well that maps says September, do I suppose that is the time you are referring to. During September the only people who really believed there was still a chance were the Kaiser and some members of the German public, that's really it.
>>938552
>muh stab in the back
>>938552
>Why do so many think Germany could still win the wat late 1918?
Because they are unaware of the absolutely shambolic state of German supplies, logistics, manpower and homefront, they are unaware the German gains came at an extreme cost to their best units that their armies could not afford, they are unaware that the German gains were more often than not territories only lightly defended and given up on purpose by the Allies and containing few if any objectives of value.
How can any American citizen claim to support/embrace nationalism when the country itself is founded upon immigrants and diversity?
That is, if nationalism is about preserving a certain cultural identity, how does that work when the country itself is based on various cultures and ethnicities to begin with?
You must never have read a high school politics textbook.
There are two types of nationalism, inclusive and exclusive nationalism.
Nationalism in countries like Japan is exclusive nationalism, which is ethnicity based. Even if you live there all your life, if you weren't born as an ethnic Japanese, you will never be truly accepted as Japanese.
Nationalism in nations like the United States is inclusive, civic, nationalism. The nation is not an ethnic one, but one based off shared ideals. As long as you pledge allegiance to the US flag, believe in the constitution and American ideals, you are American, no matter what ethnicity or religion you practice.
The reason why patriotism is so fierce in the US, why they have the flag saluting in schools, is to hammer this into people from a young age. Civic nationalism can fall apart more easily than ethnic nationalism, so there has to be a very strong uniting force to make people feel they are AMERICAN first and christian, muslim, black, white second.
Even in the united states, while that was de jure, there was a de facto opinion from a fairly large part of the population that the US was ethnonationalism where only WASPs were true Americans, despite this not being the founding principles of the US.
>>938360
Nationalism isn't necessarily ethnic. The most basic trait of nationalism is the belief in the right of a political unity of people to self govern - the self-determination of nations.
Plenty of enlightenment authors saw nations as groups based solely on a conscious choice of their members. Then you had several later, more right-wing nationalist authors who despite upholding the ethnic unity, still claimed that national identity was a "daily plebiscite" where a person would decide on their identity.
Then you have the example of orleanist nationalism from your picture, where the French nation was largely equated with the French middle and upper classes, regardless of the fact that they shared their ethnic background with the rest of the people.
tl;dr: ethnic nation doesn't necessarily equal a political nation.
4chan seems to conflate Ashkenazim and Sephardim as the only Jewish community out there so let's change that.
ITT: We post Jewish communities around the world, by Jewish I mean those either of Jewish ancestry and/or those who profess and practice Judaism (NOT messianic, Fringe theory "ancient Hebrew descendants" or Black Hebrew Israelites).
I'll start.
Kaifeng Jews of China, the only surviving but certainly not the first Chinese Jewish community
>During the late Tang and early Song, China was in turmoil. Buddhist persecution was followed by internal disorder and the “barbarians” were knocking on the gates of China. Large numbers of people left their homes and wandered in search of safer places, and by the time the Song had finally reestablished some sort of order, many Chinese residents had already been living under the Jurchen in relative peace. The Song Emperors were quite determined to return those refugees back to China. A memorial suggested that the emperor invite and welcome the refugees back. The Emperor accepted the plan and with offers of some incentives, he invited the refugees to return and submit to the Chinese rule(Lidai Mingchen Zouoyi -Famous Ministers Memorials to the Throne in Dynastical Order. v.6. pg. 4382, Taibei, 1964 –in Chinese). Among the returnees was a band of Jews, some of them merchants, probably of Persian birth or ancestry, who accepted the invitation and was granted an audience in the imperial palace. The emperor graciously accepted the tribute of cotton goods they had brought to him, saying, “You returned to my China. Honor and observe the customs of your ancestors”. Some scholars translate the Chinese as “You have come to our China…” and believe this indicates the formal start of the Jewish community of Kaifeng.
>>938207
>The Bene Israel believe that their forefathers arrived in India before the destruction of the second temple. The accepted version is that their forefathers were sailing in a commercial ship from the Land of Israel to India. The ship wrecked near the coast of Konkan. From the ship survived 14 people, seven men and seven women. They swam towards the land and arrived at the village called Navgaon. All their belongings drowned in the sea. The dead bodies of the others from the ship were buried in the village. The survivors somehow managed to settle in the village and started working in agriculture and oil producing which later on became their main profession. As time passed the descendants of the survivors forgot Hebrew and their religious tradition. But they carried out some of the Israeli tradition.
>The Bene Israels observed Sabbath (Saturday) and abstained on this day from any work. They circumcised their sons on the eighth day after birth. They didn’t eat fish which didn’t had fins and scales. They observed a few Israeli festivals and called them by Indian names, but until their association with other Jewish communities they weren’t aware of the Hanukkah festival and the ninth of Ab fast. These two traditions became part of Jewish tradition after the destruction of the second Temple and therefore the belief that the Bene Israels forefathers arrived in India before the destruction of the second temple. On each religious occasion such as marriage; circumcision or death the Bene Israelis used to recite the ‘Shema’ verse.
>>938271
>Medieval Arab writers ascribed the ancestry of the Berbers to *Goliath the Philistine and maintained their Canaanite origin. The Phoenician colonization of Africa, the long Carthaginian domination, and the survival of Punic, a language closely related to Hebrew, supported these legends which spread among the Berbers themselves. Similar tales are found in the writings of Greek and Latin authors and in the Talmud which spread the legend that the Canaanites immigrated of their own free will to North Africa. It is said that the survivors of the Jewish revolt in *Cyrenaica (115–116 C.E.) found refuge among the Berbers of Western *Libya . Scholars have frequently claimed that the Jews' desire to proselytize found a favorable atmosphere among the Berbers from the first to the seventh centuries. African Christianity, whose early converts were Jews, clashed with Jewish proselytism. Archaeological discoveries, epigraphs, and writings of the Christian scholars Tertullian and St. Augustine, indignant at the growing Berber conversions to Judaism, attest to these facts. The persecutions by the Byzantines forced Jews to settle among the Berbers in the mountain and desert regions. Ibn Khaldun confirmed the existence of a large number of proselyte Berbers at the time of the Arab conquest of Africa.
One of y'all Nigga better post some shit because I don't want to post my own group :n(
What would a world be like without the French Revolution? Who would be the major players in the world?
It would be the exact same because fuck the French fuck them they're useless dumb frogs
>>937874
France would still be an absolutist shithole. Lafayette should've been less of a fuck up and pushed harder.
Kind of depends on the quality of French kings, the French Revolution itself happened because of how weak Louis XVI was.
Assuming no fuckups of that sort, there's no reason France couldn't have maintained itself as the European hegemonic power for longer as it had been since the 1600s. Beyond that alt history is pretty pointless.
How did he heal Alexei?
with the power of his massive dick
>>937788
heard some dumb shit from my great grandmother that Rasputin probably practiced as a midwife or OBGYN equivalent.
I never paid much attention to her, but it would make sense how intimate he was with treating hemophilia, using the same kind of blood thickeners (tranexamic acid) that were given to women with heavy flows or cervical bleeding after birth.
Maybe you can derive more out of that, but it at least gives you a start.
>>937963
Well why did it take so long to kill him
Why did they split in 1099?
Will they be able to ever come together again?
Both seem great(I'm catholic) but a lot of my dad's family is Orthodox since I'm Russian.
>thread about Christian sects
Dis gon b gud
>>937087
HERETICS HERETICS THEY'RE ALL HERETICS DEUS VULT
>>937095
Subhuman Protestant
Was freedom of Media or Press the weakness of Western Democracy ? It was being exploited and used as pawns by Totalitarian or Communist regimes, several times in the past, most notable is VN war... to create internal strifes in Democractic countries, meanwhile the Commies are pretty much immune, they could easily suppres them.
it's not freedom of speech if there are specific censors just for war
commies are not immune from internal strife from external war
>>936908
No, because it keeps the government from manipulating public opinion to a retarded degree. Also understanding foreign perspectives is a plus.
>>936908
and that's why no totalitarian governments ever collapsed the end
Post your favourite in-battle paintings.
>>936822
Not really "in-battle" but I like this
easily my favorite
Waterloo paintings are pretty good
Was Engelbert Dollfuss the most pathetic dictator in history?
>Manlet
>Assassinated
>His country was annexed by Nazis
>Retarded ideology forgotten about
>>936420
No, that place is forever reserved for Papadopoulos and his colonel buddies.
>Blame jews for losing against the whole world
>Failed as an artist
>tried to escape Austrian conscription
>caught, judged as to weak to join military
> start another war agains the whole world
>blame the german people for losing against the whole world
>suicide
>>938570
>Invades Soviet Union, one of the reasons is fear of Eastern Europe being invaded by them
>War ends with most of Eastern Europe being part of the USSR, and T-34s rolling through Berlin
share this if you would ask him what’s wrong.
like if you would wipe away his tears.
keep scrolling if you would ignore him
sent:)
>>936344
Why are you sniffing, cutie pie?
>>936344
He looks like a fat neckbearded neet
Complete with the dark circles
Someone needs to give him a makeover
