i can't be fucked looking for win screenshots
don't post touhous or i'll kick your fucking ass nerd
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old thread: 125929770
whoops, i mean
old thread: >>125929770
How do I change level size in PCB?
Any general strategy for a deathsword?
Are there sex mods for DDA?
>>126092401
Hit = then gameplay options. Then change always gemerate small levels to "yes."
The general strategy is all about preparing for suffering.
I like pcb, but holy shit is this game plodding. Takes forever to get anywhere and do anything, even with macro and autopicker.
How's sil?
Crypt or Elf?
Also how hard are the new Slime Pits?
>>126094705
Slime Pits are hellish. Do you have rCorr?
>>126094705
>Elf
Crypt is much easier than either and should be your destination from those three.
>>126094801
Nope, although shouldn't it be doable if you have enough patience for backtracking and stairdancing?
I mean it's not permanent anymore.
>>126094854
Eh probably, might still do Elf first to get some more use out of Oka before I ditch him for TSO.
>>126095016
Well if you're 15-runing then of course you save crypt for TSO piety but extended sucks balls so I don't recommend it.
Elf is just really dangerous and Slime Pits too, getting hit with malmutations and shit while you're at -30 corr is a real bitch.
>>126095247
I actually rather like extended.
What I cant stand is Lair and it's branches.
Incursion keeps crashing when stealthed monsters attack me, what do?
Our team's goalkeeper, Cast into the Abyss, got the most saves in tournament! This means that the /vg/ roster in the "real" cup will have one of our players as their goalkeeper.
Here is a strawpoll with the following 3 choices:
Cast into the Abyss: Our starting GK
Sigmund: Got the second most goals in the tournament and was a freak of nature.
Serpent of Chaos: A lot of assists and Team Captain.
http://strawpoll.me/6322637
>>126095540
Thank god, finally someone that agrees with me. Thought that'd never happen in /rlg/.
>>126097829
who cares about this gay ass soccer shit
>>126097829
>No one likes the serpent of chaos.
>>126096174
be more perceptive lmao
Well, Shelob didn't corpse out, which is a letdown.
Can't take on Ubbo in the current state, so I guess it's time to finally start diving some Camelot.
Orrrrr maybe see what's up with the Minotaur. Yeah.
>>126097829
Sigmund is probably the best known character/concept from the games in this thread, other than @
Got Abyssal Rune, where next?
>>126095540
My only issue with extended is that some things just don't plain work (poison) and the monofocus on demons.
I think it need some entirely new shit myself.
>>126101759
Well yes. A lot of the classes/gods are only meant for 3-4 rune games.
>>126101646
What other runes you got?
>>126101854
Lair branches runes, Vault Rune.
>>126101973
Whoops, didn't see them on the screenshot. Maybe dip into Crypt and Tomb, Pan if you're risky.
>>126101759
>>126101850
This is one of the main reasons I don't play DCSS. I don't like how most of the strategies are not really viable. 3-runes are stupid. 15-rune is the real game IMO, and any build that can't realistically achieve that is not worth attempting or having in the game at all.
I guess I didn't think this one through
Guess this run is over
>>126102193
I memed the Slime Pits instead :^)
>>126102728
Did you hit a summoned angel with the explosion?
>>126102954
And died to the Jelly aftermath like a bitch.
DCSS keep crashing for anyone? Currently running .17.1
>>126103116
That's what you fucking get.
>>126102991
Yup. Gonna go hit some stuff in abyss until I die or get back to full piety I guess.
>>126103116
Well memed
>>126102321
Five runes is far more fun than fifteen. Thus, five is the real game. Really, though - I understand what you're saying, but why force yourself to play through the most tedious parts of the game when you can literally just skip it and play more of the fun stuff? Sure, sometimes I have a really fun character that I want to play more of and I'll do extended but I'd rather be playing more vaults or depths. It's not any kind of competition, and you're not a better player for getting fifteen versus five - the difficulty is the highest in D:1-10, and spikes again around V:5 and Zot.
tldr pan a shit
>>126103232
>>126103571
I really should top playing Crawl when drunkeven if it makes the tediousness tolerable.
If my braincells were focused, I would have just dug a wall to the side instead of sitting that teleport out.
>>126103527
Good luck in there. Hope you find a good backup weapon that doesn't cause explosions.
>>126103116
>he tried to fear the jellies instead of teleporting outright
>probably died with scrolls of blinking
>most likely tried to tab the blobs with -20 corr
>laughing_oklobs.exe
>>126103784
>probably died with scrolls of blinking
I may be drunk but not that drunk.
>>126103867
No daddy no not the belt
I still can't fucking believe implo immopunched TRJ into submission without rcorr
TRJ is worth 200 ogres, anon
200
OGRES
Why is Cata so dissapointing
>>126103603
>tldr pan a shit
Only because they made the game that way.
What if you couldn't melee everything in the game to death with 14 points in a weapon skill? Maybe then it would be obvious why having 12 runes that all resist the same things are boring.
What if you didn't get all the consumables and a billion exp to dump into your defenses so that monsters could still be dangerous without relying only on torment and hellfire?
Really this all goes back to the fundamental problem of DCSS, that you can't both want every game to be winnable and expect to challenge both MiBe and MuMo.
>tfw you guide an orb of destruction into the orb spider that made it
>>126104272
i know who you are
>>126104332
Because it was made by a hack and continued by a man with a vision. Then kikestarter happened and the control went back in the hands of a different group of the hacks.
>>126105396
Who am I
I amJean val Jean
>>126105643
well I'm pretty sure you're the same person who mentioned in IRC some weeks ago that you make your crawl display experience in ogres
>>126105310
Best feel. When you do it without a shield of reflection it's even better.
>>126105754
I wish, that'd be fun as heck.
But alas I only started using it after I heard dicks' MuMos.
>>126105789
I've done it twice without reflection in my current run, and once with my buckler.
>>126105754
Nah that was me. Not actually true though I should try that. I think I was drunk when I said that.
>>126105754
>>126105902
>meme-loving fucks popularizing the unit of measurement of choice of the lord and savior
>risk my life fighting the unending horrors of the abyss
>come back, see this
TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG
>>126106484
>lord and savior
>can't even grab 4 runes
I'll stick to the church of implo
>>126106719
>0.17
Fucking second time in a row I die due to shafts fucking me over by landing me in packs of bullshit. I sure am glad they removed the no brainer that was Traps & Doors.
>>126106719
>he thinks dicks status as lord and saviour has anything to do with MuMo
It is but one of his many miracles newfriend.
>>126106707
>Poor little gargoyle gladiator
Its what you get for going the trog -> tso route to extended.
>>126106707
>le balanced flying fucker
oh no, you might lose a quarter of your health before tping out
I've successfully pulled an orb of destruction into orbit.
>>126108191
>>126108354
It's an interesting phenomenon. Why does it happen?
>>126108354
>>126108191
Slated for removal for exploitable scummy spoilery behavior.
>>126108191
>>126108354
I did this for a few turns on my first and only 15-rune run. It enchants you with good luck.
>>126108464
OoDs store the position as a floating point and steers every turn by shifting its direction vector by 33 degrees towards its target. In other words, if they're a few tiles away from you and travelling at roughly a right angle, they'll steer at an angle that creates circular motion.
This is going off what the learndb says, I haven't actually looked at the code for them.
>>126109702
whatever nerd
>>126109832
fite me
>>126106812
>>126111071
I have no idea what you're trying to say with this image.
>>126111298
Implo won 9/9 of the games he played in the 0.12 tourney?
I guess?
>>126111474
So what?
>>126111474
Do you even know the kind of combos Implojin plays? Literally the only thing he did until MuMo came along was speedrunning Trolls.
>>126098317
Do people like the multiple terminal thing or would you prefer everything be in one window? I'd love to know what the general feeling toward it is.
Should they be interactive at all or only informative? Would you like/dislike them more if they were or were not mouse activated?
Opinions greatly appreciated. I've only seen PCB do it. I know that it's lifting the multi-terminal approach from predecessors. I just don't know how I or the population at large feels about it.
>>126111569
So he's clearly better than dicks who wasn't even in the top 30?
>>126111775
Unlike you I actually remember that tournament and it was the first one Dicks ever played it, first time people got him to play online, too.
>>126111683
It's fine, although I'd prefer it seamlessly and borderlessly make one with the main window.
Roguenexus has something like that.
Plus of course with the windows you have more customization, some people prefer to have other info visible at all times than this.
>>126111775
You mean you actively searched for the tournament where /rlg/ placed shit/10 and dck was learning webtiles, instead of the next one where he leaded the team to victory? Am I getting this right Implojin?
So... My STR went to 18/*** when I got to level 20 in PCB, did I mess something up? Or is it some sort of curse thing?
>>126112450
You maxed it out. 18/*** is the highest a stat can go.
>>126112528
Oh, that's a pretty bad way of telling you that...I mean, I just wasted 5k trying to "heal" it...
>>126112735
If your stat isn't in yellow, there's nothing wrong with it.
Well, now you know.
>>126112839
I guess...
Anyways, thanks for the info, anon.
>>126112735
>>126112839
also, at the same time the injured stats will use lowercase, where healthy stats are full caps
playing beholder is a trial
>>126112071
Those aren't me.I consider dicks to be a friend, I think most of these posts are crazy, and I wish they would pls stop
>There is a staircase to the Swamps here.
>You climb downwards.
>Nikola comes into view.
>You climb upwards.
>race: dragon
Every time.
Guess I'm not reforging it since it needs like ten times the power I currently have.
![header[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/C2lalZe.jpg "header[1].jpg")
How significant are the changes this game has received? I'm entirely willing to support the devs, but 10 bucks seems kinda steep if it's just a tileset.
>>126116187
in PCB?
All is.
>beholder best tome4 race/class
>>126117000
don't pay for it
steal if you must
dev works slow as snails fucking
>>126117209
>dev works slow as snails fucking
It's a roguelike. That's kind of to be expected in this genre.
>>126117314
Not when you're fucking charging for it.
>>126116187
Yeah, I tried one once.
>use your ten wand zaps
>rest for three years so they recharge
>repeat every four monsters
So its probably worth losing my demon blade to use these rods, right? I have the QB of elec and another demon blade of slicing on V:1 as a replacement, though I don't know which one I'll use as a replacement. I have the skill to use both due to crosstraining.
>>126117405
>>126117619
it'd be fine if at least you got a reliable damage skill at level 10
but instead, NOPE. Have a wimpy single target skill that can get saved against.
Maybe they get really OP shit their next two evolutions to make up for it?
What shops do you usually request from Gozag?
>>126118439
If you don't have a good weapon, weapon shop. Otherwise armor/jewelry -> gadgets -> other shit.
I sometimes wish ADoM were open source.
I've been training a lvl 1 orcish mage by using magic missile over and over in the little island at Terinyo. I got lucky with a wand of wonder so when I get hungry I go and buy supplies and Munxip's shop using a ice bridge.
I'm at +10 spell efficiency right now, and if I have good knowledge the cost is 6 pp. But I'd really, really would like to know how long until I reach 4 pp and how much the damage/range is going to grow.
>>126119221
How do you get the money to feed yourself, anyway?
If the wiki doesn't know the formula to this, the answer is probably that it's some crawl-tier calculation.
>>126119221
Oh wow I just depleted the fucking spellbook, good thing I have two.
I think I'll just level up a bit and then go back to the training, I hope it was enough for a mana increase.
That one guy from before who can't even handle non gargoyle
So, I just play a game in here and hand over a name?
>>126119973
Forgot to paste it.
http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#lobby
>>126119807
The rations at munxip's shop are really not that expensive, I've been using the gold I had since the beginning. And you can always go and bolt Hotzenplotz to death for a quick few thousand gold. His bodyguards also usually carry some, but it's usually much less than Hotzenpĺotz proper.
>>126119973
Sure
What's better, a +5 Trident of Venom or +1 Demon Trident of Venom?
I currently have one scroll of enchant and brand weap each
>>126119973
>>126120097
Post your name so we can find you.
>>126093769
Sil is based streamlined tactical character building angband
>>126120872
Demon trident will be much better in the long run.
>>126093769
Learning to powergame to rapidly get through the levels and content instead of grinding it out is just as much of the game if not more than just not dying.PCB is a lot like Elona+ or nethack where it'll let you grind if you want. It's not gonna shove you over and fuck you in the ass cause that's what you're doing to your fun all by yourself. already. Stop grabbing all the low hanging grind fruit and maybe live on the edge some time. Seriously, just dive more and fight smart.
Sil's great.
>>126092401
>>126079793
Int helps with devices, wis does wis shit I forget, cha helps you fight fear which will get you killed later. The stat shit is all in the help menu, fucking read it
You eat all the weapons, you sell the armors for dosh which you use to buy more weapons. Once you get into the 35-50 level range, it's raining exceptioal and artifact weapons.
>>126117000
They put tiles on it and started charging money
Glotrot still unfixable
He somehow added mem leaks and even more crashes to desktop and segfaults instead of fixing shit up
The Ogrillions of unfinished content are still unfished.
He just finished shecklewood, slapped tiles on it and said gibe monies and really, what do you expect from a goyim that's been dazzled by the jew.
>>126117209
>implying it's possible to pirate roguelikes
Up-to-date Dungeonmans torrent never ever.
>>126124259
Dungeons mans worth pirating never
>>126122005
There's a million things I used the mouse for and now there's nothing there
And where did the menu go?
To recapitulate:
I'd just come back from the outlaw settlement with a bandit corpse, having killed hotzenplotz. So I figured I'd go back to terinyo for the gold and amulet, plus a bit more magic missile training in the island. I made sure not to accidentally kill anyone with the missiles.
I pick up the rewards, resume training, and out of nowhere Tywat Pare uses my ice bridge and attempts to kill me to death. I'd just bought the Bless spellbook and since it wasn't one of my brightest moments I thought blessing him could turn him neutral. I was wrong, so I attempt to use my Teleport spell knowledge to get out of the island and espcape to the CoC at the expense of some hitpoints since I'd wasted all my PP. I failed to notice how low I was on health and this happened.
On top, the amulet of order had me at like half health from the burns.
I think I'll take a break from ADoM for a good week or so.
>>126124593
Learn the commands. You're wasting time with the mouse
>>126124757
Oh, yeah, and even this blunder was good enough to get into the top 100 characters in the server. I'm guessing the list is reset every few months, but still.
Is it better to use scrolls and potions to find out what they are or try to guess which one is scroll of identify and use those slowly?
>>126125918
Use scrolls of identity on stacks of scrolls and on potions.
>>126125918
ID strategy depends on the game.
ITS HAPPENING
>>126125918
I'm going to assume crawl- read id scrolls and scroll id potions
>>126126393
Pan time for you, bucko.
crawl's inconsistency
>mennas
>dies
>become angel
>zin follower
>dies
>become ghost
>vehumet
>wants everything to end in hellfire
>doesn't teach hellfire
>donald
>adventurer
>godless
>>126126638
Never been in there, what do? Lay down and cry a lot?
>>126127181
What's wrong with Donald being godless? And I assume that Mennas was made an angel due to his utter devotion to Zin, his preaching to the orcs, and his refusal to accept their god.
>>126127276
Go between floors until you get a message that a rune is on the floor, repeat 5 times.
>>126127276
If you're lucky it's easy to get five runes and get out without fighting anything more difficult than a fiend
If you're unlucky you'll get hellfired five times in a turn
>>126127276
The same as the hell branches, torment, hellfire and smite fucks you up while you use no-brainer regeneration to cope with 3/4 of your hp getting constantly evaporated. Read the wiki entry on pandemonium, the fixed pan lords and the random pan lords
>>126127276
Go TSO and spam cleansing flame.
>>126129473
Bag of holding devices when?
Levitating Throne of the Covenant fixedart that is loading with all the rods and naturally recharges off of xp when?
>>126124591
dungeonmans gave me a decent 30ish hours of play
would probably buy for 2$.
>>126124591
It's certainly more worth pirating than Dredmor.
>Wand of paralyze has 60%+ chance of working on draconians
Even zot is not safe from the pak attack.
>>126132424
Draconians have always had notably low MR for how late they appear.
>>126132603
I have infinite charges of a wand of death for low MR monsters. Between the rod of shadows and that, I think zot is solved. 27 Evo is really strong when you have infinite everything.
>>126132424
A surprisingly large amount of stuff has moderate vulnerability to Mr checks even late in the game.
Holy shit Okawaru, I wanted to play a sneaky Halfling, I only worshipped you for needles you barely ever gave me.
On an unrelated note, how is +9 scimitar flame/holy (can switch between them) for extended?
I am going to do a permanent climate world in DDA.
Which season should I resolve to live within?
>can wear more swag during winter; but no rain to collect water; little spoilage
>can get all the water I want during spring; boring
>too hot for any serious armor during summer; lotsa spoilage
>autumn is a chillier spring
For DDA people that have farmed, are season cycles necessary for growing crops or will they sprout regardless of the temperature given enough rain/sun?
>>126119221
>I sometimes wish ADoM were open source.
Its code is a huge clusterfuck, officially confirmed. Not even its creator can release a stable version without tons of new bugs coming with every little change.
>>126133863
>tfw you want to go open source but you don't want people to see the mess you've made even if they liked your game enough to ask to contribute to the source
>>126133542
>+17 cpa
If only you weren't a shit race
>>126134395
>implying I won't wear it once I get out of Crypt
I have 24 EV and 30 Str when wearing it.
Anyway, are halflings really shitty after rMut amulet removal?
>>126134634
>30 str halfling
I didn't realize they had str gains like that
>>126134769
Short guys lift to make up for being a manlet.
>>126134634
same level as before, the innate never mattered and still doesnt, unless they change malmutate
>>126133648
Winter is the only choice. Every other season, foraging, farming, and funnels makes the satiation minigame completely fucking pointless. You can spend literal years not having to move from your hobo cabin after less than a week of getting a couple things that speed shit up.
No idea. I'd like to think it's 14 days but who knows. There was something somewhere on the wiki or forums I remember looking at when it first came out.
jesus oka calm down what is wrong with you
And then I get a MiFi^Oka game where he keeps giving me ring mails and robes.
holy shit I didn't even see this
still scared to go in pan though, guess it's time to man up
>>126136221
>Went through all the hells
>scared of pan
Why are you so worried about pan? You already did the hardest part.
>>126136845
You can just leave hell. If you fuck up in pan, jumping to a new floor can kill you. Not being able to leave is kind of dick.
>>126135913
>i think it's 14 days
That's the default season length. I just don't want to do a single season world and find out regardless of the season, crops won't grow because they need some trigger to fire that's linked to seasons.
>winter
That's what I was leaning toward. But all that encumbrance.
>>126137206
There shouldn't really be any opportunities to fuck up this late in the game though. You've already had your fill of exp and loot and should be pretty immune to most anything. Make sure you buff up with haste before you pass through a portal and you'll be fine. Go get them runes son.
i wonder why i even keep reading GDD
it feels like every 3rd post is someone like archaeo posting completely nonsensical idiocy like "Clarity is completely and totally useless except for the dozen or so corner cases where it trivializes some danger or downside." or threads about dpeg's installations of *remove swapping* that just makes more artifacts unusable and actually increases swapping or keeps it the same.
>>126137462
Not like it even matters, too cold to plant anyway. Make an eternal summer and do a farmer start, go till, plant, and check in 14 days.Berries and wild veggies mature faster anyway.
>>126137587
Not everybody is slurping TSO/Makh juice. People have landed in hellion island, rand/fixed lord vaults or in he middle of a room scattered with torment hellfire and got nearly killed before the fog tele kicked in.
What's the command to check the battle log in crawl?
No one told me I was going to be teleported to god damn disco land
>>126137847
Just read the whole wiki article on farming.
I think I'll just not bother for now. Maybe in a couple more months.
>>126138084
List of commands
>>126138663
Untz, untz, untz!
It just goes on like this for pages.
>>126138663
best pan vault
FUG
>>126140509
>squarelos
WHAT
>>126140839
It's been in since the latest stable release.
>>126138663
>there will never be a hexgrid roguelike
Secret tech: worship Sif Muna as a VsMo so you can channel for free mana/health.
life is suffering
>>126143252
All the devs went mad.
>>126143660
That's pretty fucking lewd, hombre.
>>126143252
Rendering a hexgrid in a terminal is pretty hell.
>>126144681
>Jeez Vs, that is some nasty ass potion and wand healing. But the regen game ridiculous.
>>126143252
Start making one senpai
http://www.redblobgames.com/grids/hexagons/
>>126145257
Abandoning the idea of clinging to an 80x25 terminal display is okay, though. It's not like any computer from the last 20 years will have problems rendering tiles.
>>126143252
HyperRogue
>Kill TRJ without rCorr, stairdancing to kill the acid blobs slowly
>Try to dig through slime walls so that I can move to the next staircase faster.
>Die taking 40+ acid per turn with no way out
Seems like I die doing completely stupid shit rather than the actual monsters. First I descend into lava from tornado, now this. And both times I was practically done with the game. 15 runes with tornado dude, 6 with this most recent one.
>>126146194
TRJ is one bad motherfucker. Doubly so without rCorr.
On the bright side, you won't forget it next time.
>>126146765
TRJ died like a little bitch to a bunch of shadow creatures and bees. I died on slime: 5 because I didn't want to walk an extra 30 tiles to the next staircase so I could go back down and kill a few more blobs. There weren't even enemies in my LoS. I don't think I'll do extended anymore. I always get too bored and do something like this. Truly though, I found out that doing all your dungeon runes and zot without rMut is pretty easy. I was only mutated 5 times, and cured most of the garbage muts.
>>126147320
The mut thing includes abyss too. This was trunk so I had to deal with mutation dudes with LoS shenanigans.
>incursion will never be finished
>you will never have the perfect blend of 3.5e gameplay and an Angband-sized world
Why even live?
TWO YEARS OF CRAWLING
THE DAY HAS FINALLY COMEI feel empty inside
>>126088223
That Girl is an Urban Legend is such a good comic, for that page alone
>>126148560
>Angband-sized world
What.
>>126149206
Congratulations.
>>126150128
Variant*
But hell, even Angband itself would be a massive upsize.
I'm doing a Merfolk Summoner run. Should I worship with Chei or Sif?
How is ADOM coming along? Did Biskup unfuck the stat system yet?
>>126098317
HOW DO PEOPLE GET PCB TO LOOK LIKE THIS
>>126149206
Congrats friend. One of my first was a gargoyle too. How did pan treat you?You'll only feel when it was a truly fun character.
I may have been blasted down to double digit hp by a storm wyrm, and I may have spent forever on that floor because where is the special feeling I can't find it, and I may have been lucky that Glaurung sort of flailed ineffectually at my 200 ac instead of vomiting fiery death, but I did it.
So this is what it's like to have resists.Only light, nether, chaos, disenchantment, and blindness to go!
>>126104574
Don't get me started on Torment and Hellfire.
"Half your HP is gone. No reason other than the enemy felt like it."
"This attack is fire++, no resistance helps against it."
Flayed Ghosts are infinitely more interesting than torment, as your health is basically fucked so long as they're in sight, but when they're gone you're fine again.
I wouldn't mind if Torment was only castable by the big bosses or Pan lord, but all Greater Fiends + some other things is too much of a pain.
Oh I forgot, this is DCSS. My knowledge pails in comparison to the almighty game devs so my complaints are not even valid.
>>126150817
Are you gonna pack the heavy armor and stab things too? Think about chei, but you don't have to go with him even if that's the case.
If not, take sif for sure.
>>126138663
at one point discopan had a guaranteed disto katana
>>126151431
A lot easier than I expected actually, spamming portal projectile pretty much did the trick. The only time I was close to dying was when part of a room got blown away by a demon and I didn't realize the hellfire island clusterfuck could still hit me out of my fog of vision as I was spamming heal.
Other notable OH SHIT moments were in Cocytus when I got low against Antaeus and his 4 shitty freeze demons in melee range and didn't realize I had blurry vision. Thankfully I had blink memorized, cast that and wanded myself a tele.
Also getting excommunicated TWICE for accidentally killing my summons, once for blowing them up with firestarter and the second I don't even know what happened, pan lords is just like everything is exploding with freezes or on fire.
>>126152221
How awful torment/hellfire will be for your particular character is chosen on character generation. If you're an undead, take a god that helps with torment, cast lich form or have enough rN, torment won't seem so bad. Hellfire is basically a check to see how shit your HP modifier is. Irresistable 30 damage is much worse when you have 174 vs. 249 HP. Both are an exercise in LoS management. I do wish that there was more variety in endgame crawl, but the PC always ends up with god tier defenses and it seems like it'd be hard to come up ways to threaten that.
>>126151431
My first was a Gargoyle as well. My second ironcially was a formicid fighter.
Tower Shield of Reflection, +9 Exe axe, Diamond armour, and Lich form. I didn't even feel the pain from no teleport.
>>126153159
>the PC always ends up with god tier defenses
Eh.
>>126153159
>If you're an undead, take a god that helps with torment
You wot m8?
>>126153389
I think I remember having some crazy Qazlel game where I had Formicid and +18 shield of the Gong in an older version. Or maybe it was mino I forget, anyway that shit was fun. Literally nothing made a dent in my HP while I just clouded the entire dungeon to death.
>>126146194
I splatted a FoFiFum of Oka thinking I could just dig inside the acid walls and kill TRJ in a bottleneck /\/ corridor.
Five turns in I realized that TRJ was actually doing LESS damage than the walls that surrounded me and that the only exit was blocked by her.
Don't fuck around with slime walls. Even with Rcorr they're nuts. Not even yellow dracs are safe.
>>126153452
I meant relative to what a monster might have. Its a big issue with crawl. Monster and PC are pretty even for a portion of the game, but PC will always drag ahead due to their defenses skyrocketing along with a few other factors. Compare an ancient liches 20 AC/10 EV to a PC's at that stage of the game. Even a hell sentinel only has 25 AC/5 EV.
>>126153743
Sorry, I should have formatted better. Basically you can invalidate torment in a large number of ways.
>>126153159
My only concern is that Lich form basically becomes mandatory or stone body (I think that helps with torment). If you worship Evy then your Piety goes down like a rock with heals constantly and Zin needs vit to help with Torment.
Or hell, getting rN. That should take the bite out of Torment more than the meager amount it does.
I just think that any concept should be able to beat the game with 15 runes. Some should be easier, but I shouldn't be told "lol die" when I bring a poison mage. I should be able to make poisons so vile that even the dead fear it.
>>126154237
That goes against how crawl works though. In the early and mid game, you can afford to put all your eggs in one basket and work your way around whatever your thing doesn't work on. But you always diversify your character once you have the experience so that they can deal with literally anything. Your poison mage will eventually pickup melee and diversify their conjurations into other areas to cover their weakness. I do agree that poison should get something other than Parrow in the lategame though. And lich form/statue form are hardly mandatory. There are so many other ways to deal with torment that don't involve taking that many levels in magic. There is a reason TSO is the default postend god.
>>126154163
I agree that monster balance in extended is largely a joke, but I don't think that it's because "the PC always ends up with god tier defenses".
There are plenty of combinations that end up with middling defenses by what would be the end of a 3 rune game.
In my experience it's more often the culmination of a player's offenses and utility abilites coming fully online that breaks things, rather than PC defense outpacing monster damage. Half of the threats in extended are specifically built to be threats that bypass AC/EV.
What's far more relevant to extended is having things like haste, /heal wounds, ?fog, swiftness, apportation, etc., available to completely neuter what would otherwise be dangerous situations.
>>126154237
Postend isn't mandatory, which is why the devs never bother to balance it.
You only do it if things line up for you. If not, oh well, get your three roonz and win.
>>126154237
>My only concern is that Lich form basically becomes mandatory
#justtavernthings
>>126154237
>If you worship Evy then your Piety goes down like a rock
Good news, literally no one worships Evy so you're fine on that one.
>>126154946
You have to admit that it is a pretty large contributor to crawl's shitty endgame though. Eventually you burn all the enchant scrolls you have on something and end up with enough defense and resists to take on most everything in a melee situation with little risk, barring something like a felid or octopode. I agree with your points though.
How do I submit an enemy idea for crawl?
I have a concept and sprite already made.
>>126155725
tavern
>>126155725
Touhou crawl when?
Should I train Polearms, or just work towards Firestorm once I get Ring of Flames up? I'm a MuFE, just finished Orc, have cleared Lair down to 6, and Dungeon down to 12. Lair branches are Swamp and Spider.
Current strategy is Fireball spam when facing anything at a distance, and a wall of Conjured Flames to poke at enemies behind if they manage to close . If they're brave enough to actually enter the inferno, I just douse them with Sticky Flame and continue poking them.
I'm looking for a line-AoE spell to cover all my options, but so far the only fire-based one I've found is Bolt of Magma; my Fire+Conjuration is so high that it's at 12% failure even without any Earth at all, but I believe the spellpower will suffer because of 0 Earth, so it's not ideal. Is it good enough anyways?Note: I haven't actually found a book that contains Firestorm yet, but based Xom shall surely deliver.
>>126155859
You can relive touhou in crawl with spider theme zigs. Orbs of destruction all over.
>>126155941
God damn, your char is stacked.
>>126155941
Probably get a little bit of fighting and dodging and polearms after you feel that your fireballs are doing enough damage.
Playing glass cannon Vehumet prodigy can be fun, but you don't want to get assguttered.
>>126155941
>Xom's Whimsicality
>Yseff
>Tuna
>Nah Fuy
Jesus christ how horrifying. Firestorm will take too long to get online before you really need it. Besides, fireball is more than enough for most of the dungeon if you get its damage up. I'd rather get some melee to support yourself. Hopefully you'll find a bolt spell that isn't magma, but it wouldn't be the worst if you have to use it.
So what is everyone playing tonight?Roguelike where you play as various hot drinks when?
>>126158825
NetHack, just died with a gnomish wizard.
I don't really know if I'm going to have fun.
>>126158886
You'll have fun or you'll cry and have fun you little bitch!
>>126159308
What are you playing?
>>126159653
Just a few hours back I splatted a level 40 Tonberry Monk in PCB 110% due to my hubris and stupidity, yet again.
I'm contemplating on things.
>>126159798
Have this, it's pretty ebin.
>>126159917
>>126159917
>>126160059
>bravery in the face of nihilistic despair
Everyone succumbs eventually.
Another productive day pretending DDA is a real roguelike and not just a high contrast version of don't starve. Goodnight, /rlg/.One day colonies will be a thing. And I'll outfit my subordinates in power armor. And I'll reforge the BoS.
>>126155941
Holy fuck your mummy is stacked
However, you should train fighting to get some more hp, not to be so fragile and about polearms, maybe? The spear is really good so it could be worth a try to level it up a bitIf xom wont deliver the book, elf:3 will :^)
>/rlg/ autists getting BTFO on /v/
lmao
>xom decides it would be funny to teleport me into two spiders
>xom decides it would be EVEN FUNNIER to transform ME into a spider while running away
>>126160752
Those are ants. You do know what spiders look like, right?
>>126160824
Ants, yeah, god. I need to sleep.
>>126160732
post a link nerd
>>126160752
Are you saying that isnt funny as fuck?
>>126160912
>>321036895
>>126161081
>>>/v/321036895
>>126161151
>>126160912
>>126160732
>arguing with the unwashed masses
one of the few times I regret chei
>>126160997
>>126161151
Everyone posting in that thread took the bait. You just go down the checklist and let it devolve into nonsense until the thread dies.
>>126161493
/rlg/ is the unwashed masses
Get it, because you guys are probably fat and don't bathe very often(probably because taking a shower is real-time and not turn-based)
>>126139952
>>126129473
pakellas isn't that impressive in trunk when in .15 and before I could shoot off 5 lamps of fire and 5 phials of flood at once
>>126127181
well, vehumet is the god of Michael Bay films, and the most ka-blah mage background in crawl if Fire elementalist, and if you have high Fire magic then vehumet is very likely to offer you firestorm, which does indeed have a hellfire element.
>>126162142
Infinite charges of HW, haste, invis, dig, teleport, all bolts, paralyze and enslavement aren't impressive? You can fire off literally 15+ bolt in a row without breaking a sweat, something a mage could NEVER do. This isn't even counting how utterly absurd stuff like paralyze and digging are when you have infinite charges.
>>126162410
>infinite
is this true?
>>126162461
It is basically true, yes. He gives you recharges in exchange for mana, hunger and piety. But it takes so little piety and scales so well with your mana that you essentially have as many charges as you can use. Once you get a rod and some of the other evocables, your charge count will always be near max.
welp, I got the staff of wucad mu and the book of annihilations + shatter. Looks like it's time to switch to makhleb and get to work on some megazigs. Maybe I'll remember to screenshot the skills when they're maxed this time
>>126162673
Whats chei penalty for leaving?
>>126162461
Basically yeah. If you wear an amulet of faith, you can basically recharge whenever your mana gets full and come out ahead.
Also he gives you rods, and all staff acquirements are guaranteed rods, so you can blow your recharge scrolls to create an fairly sized arsenal that you can rotate through. The supercharge is just a bonus.
>>126162142
It's not a big deal since you'll have way more evocables than you'll know what to do with anyway.
>>126163516
Even without faith you can recharge enough to have a good supply of charges. I even had that "wands take MP" mut and still have enough mana to keep all my wands at full. Even recharging with low mana still gives you a lot of charges. He is just busted.
>>126163349
from the wiki:
Random miscast effect.
Sleep for 4-8 turns.
Slow + No berserk for 100 turns.
Step out of time for 2-5 turns.
Curse an item.
sleeping for 4-8 turns sounds pretty damned deadly. Does stasis block this?
>>126163654
You cant block god retributions in any way, except for some of sif ones if you are contaminated high enough i believe(?)
>>126163741
damn. Well I'll be sure to save up some of the easier branches for chei's wrath then
>>126163889
Chei isn't gonna take it easy on your tender ass.
>>126163889
>Leaving chei
>Ever
Who are you leaving best god for?
In poschengband, what does the ritual of balance from the nature tower in zul do ?I'm afraid to try it myself
I'm playing a pianist in elona+. Whats town has the most party time! quests?
also does playing every instrument take the same amount of time, and is the time affected by performer skills or only by char speed?
