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>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Latest patch: https://www.dota2.com/685/
New players: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/
Wiki: http://www.dota2.gamepedia.com/
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/
Lore: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923
Guides: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides
Cosmetic simulator: http://d2armory.com/
Competitive Scene: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page

>STATISTICS
Competitive DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.datdota.com/
DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.dotametrics.wordpress.com/
Personal statistics: http://www.dotabuff.com/
Personal statistics#2: http://yasp.co
Hero stats: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/heroes/herodata/
Hero and DPS calculator: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/

>NEWS & STREAMS
http://www.joindota.com/
http://www.gosugamers.net/
http://www.liquiddota.com/
livestreamer GUI: https://github.com/bastimeyer/livestreamer-twitch-gui

>BETTING
Cosmetic items: http://dota2lounge.com/

Previous Thread: >>123584519
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D O T A 2
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Post your first match of Dota 2
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>>123607908
i don't even know if this is bad
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>286 days since last hero release
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How do I know if the match I'm playing is a honeypot?
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>>123608197
Is there a match in the near future that you have more to gain from winning?

If yes, the game you are currently playing is a honeypot
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>>123607908
i thought dota was like WoW (ie all heros are the same and just different skins )and i thought enigma and rubick was the most coolest shit i ever saw, i played like 5 bot matches as enigma then i spammed him
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>enemy 12k exp lead
>tfw carrying my entire team to victory
Reminder that winning all depends on you
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>>123608403
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>>123608356
Adelaide?
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How often do you guys make rapiers?

I have a few hundred games of dota2 and I've done it only once, and even when I played hon and had several thousand games I think I only made only one doombringer the whole time
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>singsing will never get into a good team
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RTC IS LIVE FAMMMMMMMMM
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>rtz abandoned his main account because of lpq
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>>123608909
>gets lpq on his main
>quits dota forever
a man can dream
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man i just wish i was as good at anything as arteezy is at dota
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>>123608710
adelaode?
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>>123609134
You're already a massive failure though
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>>123608710
adelaide?
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>>123609206
>>123609167
adelaide?
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>>123609134

you're already pretty great at being yourself
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>Kunkka is sleeper op guys.
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>>123608083
2 weeks till new hero release anon, just wait
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>>123609418
We've been saying that for fucking years
Eventually it has to become true
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>>123609490
cute
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>>123609134
go watch youtube tutorials for literally anything
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>>123608403
when i was new i spammed fucking meepo

i'm good at him now
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Guys I've just discovered the secret to getting better. You have to use all available methods to succeed. Nothing is to be too cheap or too unfair. Use riki if you have to. Use meepo if you have to. That's the price of getting good. If you ruin the game while doing so, it's the game developers fault. Not yours
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any riki autists in here wanna give me a good build?
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>>123609490
very cute eyes
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>>123609751
>>123600340
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....dotards???
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>>123609465
>>123609418

Kunkka has an aoe finger of death with a stun attached

That also makes your team faster and reduces the damage they take by 50%
And causes otherwise fatal damage to not do shit anymore

On a 45 second cooldown

If he was ever gonna be OP, he'd be OP by now.
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>>123609751
>go to that pictures page
>it's not porn
yeah fuck you
Now you've just reminded me how bad that show was for the second half
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man I probably shouldn't read SCP's before going to bed, huh
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>>123608909

Dota 2's matchmaking system is so good sometimes the best option is to just make a new account.

Bravo gaben. Bravo
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>>123609994
>0 likes, 1 dislike
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How would YOU describe PPD?
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>>123609418
8 second cd glimpse that you can use on yourself and a 10s cd aoe GoodWraithBlast is pretty significant earlier in the game though. He just needs blink and early crit as soon as possible to be capable of snowballing.

Always nice to have something to synergise with a ghost ship, too.
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>>123608909
i started playing league cause i just cant get myself to finish my 5 games sad times
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>>123610008
you're forgetting how absolute dog shit that spells cast range is
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>>123609490
Adelaide!
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>>123610153
adelaide is not a meme
honeypot is dead
no one posts idols
meh
arteezy is actually good
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>>123610463

>1000 range
>425 radius

>Dogshit
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>>123610153
this is a honeypot post
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>>123610490
>>arteezy is actually good
Can I get some evidence to back that up?
Like, seven figure prize pool lan wins for example
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How do I get 100 last hits before 14 minutes?
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>>123610686
pick enigma and stack camps max w > q then e
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thank you reddit for kicking C9
Only EG is allowed to be a team in NA
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redpill me on saddo friend
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>26 unique posters

Im glad Frankfurt was a good tourney. And BigDaddy and FitJew got to win it. Its a nice swan song for dota
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>>123610686
Never miss last hits and stack camps.
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real talk here
if the numbers are decreasing because people are jumping ship after getting sent to LPQ, then thats a good thing in the long run
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>>123610532
>spell can only be cast at 1000 range from kunnka
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>>123609769
>A build

Yeah you go fucking aquila treads wand there you go you won the game.

You'll shit stomp people as long as you don't blatantly walk into common sentry spots.
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>>123610785
mb I meant max w > e then Q
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>storm was nerfed

rofl
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>>123610845
Yeah who cares let this game die already. I only watch tier 1 esports anyway
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>>123610806

Broken

Get a fast bottle. Spam raze to never miss a single CS and control the lane to get every rune. Get a support to make a stack for you then when its stacked 3-4 times go raze it down for ez megabucks for you and levels for the support.

Get carry items and levels faster, over power the enemy. You can get to the point where you shit out so much damage the team cant fight into you without losing half their team, even when they kill you, due to requiem.

>>123610785
>>123610686

Take a point in E early to break down trees and stack from farther away too
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>>123607908
I then continued to play league for like another year and a half. I only recently started playing dota again after dropping league all together awhile ago
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>>123610957
>tier 1 esports

I'm sorry but can you name the tier 1 teams
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>>123610878

Hence why blink is core.

I mean Kunkka is still shit but the range isnt bad. But yeah like you said having to be 1000 range away and all the drawbacks on his shit make him worthless.

I tried a new build after the patch where you rush travels bottle, then use X to just constantly tp back and forth to a lane, throwing out constant boats and torrents and tidebringers with infinite regen to fuck up pushing and laners.

Despite this, your power as a late game carry is still unreliable, as are your disables.
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>>123611003
league is actually legit awful compared to this game

this games meta is in kind of a rough patch but otherwise this game is actually great

you won't regret getting back into it
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>>123610993
is it worth getting wraith band lvl1 so u dont miss crucial early game cs?
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Which hero would you feed?
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>your mid Invoker goes aghs first item
What do?
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>>123611247
i'll report you if you feed you fucking shitstain
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>>123611247
OD
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>>123610221
Especially if you've gotten significantly better at the game.

Create a new account. Recalibrate. There's your 4.5k. Now climb if you're really better.

I think you'd just end up frustrating yourself climbing from low mmr to high mmr.

LPQ is a total shit fest too. You get your unranked MMR to deal with. That's like low 2k for me at a fucking stretch. I get to deal with anything between 2k retards to 7k players who just happened to wind up in LPQ and really climbed that far.

The matches are so unbalanced it's a fucking joke.

On average to get 5 victories you're looking at tanking anything 7-10 losses in the process.

You get retards throwing from 0m, you get retards feeding accidentally.

the skill range is so fucking varied. i don't blame him for abandoning his account.
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>>123611142
Build a rapier and crit stick. You can 2 shot medusa in the lategame
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>>123611227
Only if you can be sure you will get pooled tangoes and you'll be able to grab the rune and get yourself a salve out

I don't think that build has been very popular recently though
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>>123611247
>A dota girl will never eat a bowl of your cum
Thank God honestly, I'm not a disgusting pervert.
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>>123611429

There's literally no point. Other heroes ball harder than kunkka and have a more reliable impact without needing setup.

Gimmicks are gimmicks
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When will the "radiance alchemist" meme end?
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>>123611372
is it really better to
>make new account and play dota until lvl 50 so you can play ranked
or
>play enough ranked to get your mmr high enough
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>>123609134

at least you have a big dick anon
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just give kunkka +1 armor and an agh's upgrade and he'll be an ok offlaner
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>>123611227

Honestly pooled a tango or 2 + 2 branches is enough if you get secured the first bounty rune.

I tend to get wraith band into RoA anyway because I love that item on agi heroes with spammable spells.
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>>123609134
how to get good at literally anything:

1) practice
2) see step 1
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>>123611615
I want it to stay, so all the Alch pickers on the other team can feed and lose.
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>>123611160
I don't think you actually read my whole post, I only play dota now. I calibrated at 2.1k when I started playing again a few months ago and I've since climbed to about 2.9 so I'd like to think I have become a little less shit
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>>123611631
Ranked takes into account your hidden normal mmr bro. Which will be higher on a new account
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>>123610564

you're either trolling or you just don't get it


not gonna lose my time on you mate I have a game to win
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>>123611631

The first option gives you the ability to accurately rank your MMR

The second option is a constant coin flip.

That being said, the rating system in dota 2 is shit anyway and you shouldn't care.

I mean its a flat fucking number based solely on wins/losses, in a game with 1000s of different hero combinations, role combinations, play styles, all with a random assortment of 10 different people each game

And valve decides to rank skill by "you won gj here's 25 mmr"
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>>123611828
What's not to get, if he was good he would have won a major lan
has he won a major lan?
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Why was this hero forgotten?
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lmao theeban is such a fag, gets ritsu kicked from c9 and then he ditches c9 for keks
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>>123611879
>the rating system in dota 2 is shit anyway
Yeah sure thing, RTZ consistently get's 6K+ on his smurfs through luck right?

Any good player will consistently be able to get a higher mmr than a shitter
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>>123610845
atleast half of the time someone gets sent to low priority it's undeserved. atleast half of the time someone gets a mute it's undeserved.

>have some asshole weekend warrior midlaner roaring down the mic because he's getting ass blasted by an SF as Alchemist mid
>meanwhile our rubick is mega efficient stacking camps, pulling waves through jungle, harrassing, opening up kills.
>he's muted and all he has is his chatwheel to say well played

tell me how that shit makes sense.

I've been thrown into LPQ for reasons such as stacking camps, pulling, 'stealing kills', denying runes from the enemy midlaner by simply taking themselves, split pushing - winning - and ending the game with 13k TD, postponing a push or team fight to farm the last 400g for a BKB.

If I had've quit any of those times then the pub quality at my bracket would've decreased. I have a lot more to offer than some of these people. And yet Valve gives these same retards free reign to punish the decent players.
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>>123611615
didnt meracle already end it? boots into medallion into blink/shadow blade -> solar crest and sny is the hot shit now
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>>123611896
he kicks ass right now if you know how to play him just dont tell anyone
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>>123611896
he's boring to play and slow as fuck
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>>123611943
$4k salary fa.m
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>>123610943
>Storm was turned from easy mode -> intermediate

fix'd. sumail still shit stomps people as him.
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>>123612024
It's shit because anything above 4.5k ish the games are just carrying people 1000 MMR below you.

Seriously there's no difference between that guy who almost made it to 8k and some guy who's sitting at 5k, except that the 8k autistically spammed games to get there.
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>>123612030
>atleast half of the time someone gets sent to low priority it's undeserved. atleast half of the time someone gets a mute it's undeserved.
citation needed
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>>123611896
Late-game agility carries are out of meta.
He has to compete with Tusk, Dark Seer, Slardar and Doom in the offlane slot.
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>>123612030
idk what to say m8 I've only been in low priority once due to internett dcing me over 3 k games
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>>123612105
>boring
>not hitting heroes with spirit then smacking the enemy for 1/4 of their health
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>>123611943
then they get shit on by coL lmfao
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>>123612024

My point wasnt about whether good player's high mmr was justified or not.

My point was MMR was a shit indicator of actual player ability when there are shit players and good players at all levels of MMR

Because dota 2 is too complex a game to be judged solely on wins and losses

One bad player needs to be carried to a win just once and suddenly the system doesnt make sense anymore
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hello?
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where the fuck did lion go in the meta?
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>>123612304
he really needs his blink to work, but hes still usable
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>>123611896

Literally does nothing

You can land his entire spell combo on the enemy and have no impact.
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>>123612304
offensive supports in general left
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Kunkka buffs when?
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>>123612303
ДEЛET ЭTO
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>>123612392
It's not about his spell combo m8. It's all about the aura
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>>123612248
>send out shitty slow image
>wait a year for it to arrive
>smack enemy (takes 10 seconds for your fist to fall)
>they take 1/4 of their health
no thanks
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>Be bad
>Watch anime
>Get good
>and pick SD
>http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/6/60/Shadow_demon_laugh_05.mp3
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During dreamhack one of the caster said that it was more mana efficient to drop null tali and then tread switch to agi when bottling.
Am i retarded or that doesnt make sense what the fuck ?
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>>123612584
ya ur retarded
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>>123612024
Yeah and then there's you who got his account calibrated at 4k by stomping retards when the game just released ranked mode, and then you climbed the rest of the way spamming broken heroes.

I laugh so hard when you guys act like dota gods. I bet if it came down to it you'd lose to every single pro. Including the ones you shit on.
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>>123612584
Actually retarded
Zero knowledge of game mechanics

Maybe try an easier game?
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>>123612231
How many games do you play in a week on average? The frequency of getting LPQ/Communication bans is relative to this.
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>>123612690
>Including the ones you shit on.
Even EE and BSJ?
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>>123612649
>>123612704
Allright nerds explain why dropping null tali first is more efficient than tread switching and then dropping null
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How do we fix Windrunner?
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>>123612914
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>>123611882
>Dota 2 is a free-to-play singleplayer offline battle arena (SOBA) video game developed and published by Valve Corporation. Released for Microsoft Windows, OS X, and Linux in July 2013, following a Windows-only public beta testing phase that began in 2011, the game is the stand-alone sequel to Defense of the Ancients (DotA), a mod for Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and its expansion pack, The Frozen Throne. Dota 2 utilized the original Source engine until it was ported to Source 2 in September 2015, making it the first game to utilize the new engine.[5]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dota_2

woah. I never realised that.
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>>123612584
imagine of bottle gave you like 20% of your max mana pool
but if you remove all the items that give you int and lower the total mana in the pool the bottle gives a higher % right?
so when you re-equip the item it means you keep the bonus %
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>>123613010
Fix the shackle angle.
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guys
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>>123612876
BSJ is a pro? Does he hire some russian to dress up as him and play his tournament matches?
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How do i build AA properly?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_Beta_Kappa_Society

>KEK
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>>123612273
I still think people need to get MMR decrease and increases based on their performance. You'd have to make it neutral so it fucks people who played terribly but is otherwise fair in judging a support and carries performance.

You'd want it so that people aren't just picking carries all the time to get the best chance at high kda = high mmr reward. but you'd also want it so that there's no potential for abuse.

It'd be hard to implement but something needs to change.
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>>123613192
fgt
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>>123613192
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>>123613461
Build around what your team needs and what you need against the enemy team. The closest you get to a core item on AA is aghs.
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>>123613192
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>>123613054
>pedofaggot poster

kill la kill yourself
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>>123613192
leave
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>>123612876
BSJ is not a professional player.
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>>123613606
>tfw anime isn't real
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>>123613192
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197989514027
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>>123613492
>It'd be hard to implement
Not that hard, you only need like 10 people that are good in dota watching every game.
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post em boys
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>>123613461
If you are shit stomping early = rush an atos

If you are not shit stomping early = rush a midas and build an aghs mid game

it's really that simple.
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>>123613862
where do i see these
>>
grant confirmed
c9 -> sponsor less
-1437 +mason
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>>123613862
>that gpm
Just how in the fuck?
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>>123613778
>Netherlands

You haven't got a fucking chance, kid.

All vikings are autistic faglord c U c K s
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icefrog here, ama
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>tfw you defeat a tinker picker

No stupid cheesy bullshit this time.
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>>123614027
Is Abaddon balanced?
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>>123614027
whats exact date and time patch will be release
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How do we balance Chaos Knight?
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>>123614027
ench buffs now.
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>>123613492
>>123613819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart's_law
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>>123613192
I'll step on your dick and/or face

76561198010147420
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>>123613997
>NORMAL
>NORMAL
>NORMAL

This is some unranked 2k shitter bragging about his LPQ stats. Ignore it.
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>>123614093
seems that way, will have to see where he is

>>123614102
can't say

>>123614116
maybe
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>>123613997
everyone on my team abandoned
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>>123613862
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>>123614162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMX2lPum_pg
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>Warpath now triggers on items that have a cooldown greater than 1 second.

Did I just fix Bristleback?
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>>123614173
>can't say
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>RTC can't deal with LPQ and quits
lmao no wonder he is shit now.
Competitive pressure would make a 20 games LPQ time look like a fucking tea party
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>>123614380
apologies, outside my control
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>>123613192
you cant be actively be looking for love and relationships

just because you get turned on by being treated like shit doesnt mean you wont regret it
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>>123614338
Armlet Bristleback?
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>tfw your irl friend is 1k
>tfw he brags about how he's so good to others
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Who NA dota here?
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>>123614397
20 games LPQ? How the fuck? IT DOESN'T SERIOUSLY GET THAT BAD DOES IT?
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>>123614475
It can easily get worse.
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>>123614473
hello reddit
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>>123614331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpUYjpKg9KY
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>>123614451
Did you even read anon?
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>>123614598
who can stop this madman???
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>>123614598
no fuck off i have a happy relationship, go outside or see a therapist and fix your life
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>>123614598
adelaide?
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>>123612304
to hell and back then back to hell
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>>123614604
>we british now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4MiC67seUY
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>>123614598
do you not feel well adelaide?
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pour one out for our fallen brother, the last real ass nigga.
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>>123614331
That's some manletism right there.
>>123614679
Doesn't Armlet have a cooldown now? I don't even play the game anymore.
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>>123614721
and back?
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elder titan is the best hero in the game chilltoad buffs please
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>>123614935
no
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>>123614935
and back
and then back to hell and back to hell and to hell and back

you've been to hell
and back
and back to hell
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>>123607908
thought he looked cool
still think he looks cool
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when will nessaj be viable dudes?
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>>123614907
it doesn't
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>>123614709
oooo, that's even better, this is great!

>>123614686
>>123614719
>>123614808
I'm not sure who you're talking about but I already picked my crush, sorry!
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so C9 disbanded

turns out before leaving, ritsu gave them all aids and then he shat on the floor
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>>123615043
adelaide?
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>>123614854

Forever in our hearts.

Ritsu

the one and only

unironically

literally

canonically

and methaporically

OurGuyâ„¢
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>>123611896
Same. I fucking love playing him.
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>>123615043
when icefrog gives him a skill that allows him to farm faster than a dazzle instead of his crit
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>>123615101
>>123615043
please be adelaida
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NEED A PATCH RITE FKING NOW LA
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>>123614686
I'm not the thirst master. I just wanted to talk to someone ; w ;
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>not picking the best hero in 6.85
dotards?????
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someone explain this adelaide meme?
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>>123614027
We need a new cute hero, any cute hero on the making?
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If Earth Spirit doesn't get fucknerfed in the next patch to be put in CM, I'm gonna main the fuck out of him
No more shame
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>>123615090
6.79

Unholy Strength
Now grants the strength over 0.7 seconds (3.57 per 0.1 second), instead of all instantly.
No longer has a 2 second toggle cooldown.
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>>123615317

>6k shitter

nigga come back when u reach 8k
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>>123615318
Adelaide is a big girl
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haha
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>>123615317
> >6k MMR
>autistic mainer

it checks out, doc
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>>123614442
what do you have control over
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>>123614854

those Good Kappa C9 vs DC matches were GOAT t b h f a m. godamn, always tryinna keep a nigga down, RIP homie.
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>>123615317
how u build em bruh
i can never win as veno
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>you'll never have adelaide support you
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>>123615373
Are you blind? We've already got one
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>>123615460
ROFL LMAO
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>>123615516
you do 2-2-0-0 into 2-2-4-0

you do tranquils aquila into veil into aghanims
sometimes you do midas after tranquils aquila

thats pretty much all i do
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can you imagine playing a character like cho'gall in dota

with a random
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>>123615558
>new
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>>123615569
>rtz always walking around topless with other guys
uhhhh, gay?
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>>123615569
>that no chest

I thought Demon was fit
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YOU ARE ____________!
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>>123612584
>>123613171 is right but that doesn't make any sense, it doesn't matter what order you drop your int items in as long as they're not in your inventory when you use bottle
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>>123615770
A BIT UNDER THE WEATHER
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>>123615770
fucked
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>>123615770
- 25 MMR
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>>123615628
yeah i'm not building that
6 decides what i build next
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>>123615628
but where is your initiation?
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>>123615490
various things, mainly balance changes and to some extent the implementation thereof, the date is generally outside my control unless deemed absolutely essential (e.g. Chen roshan bug)
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>>123612215
>there is no difference between 8k and 5k

d2g everybody
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>>123615852
>>123437114
>>123305717
>>123322661
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>>123615852
4-4-0-3 rest in stats
wards on veno are shit
t. veno pro
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>>123615875
well you can build dagger later
but even if you only hit 2-3 people with your ult its usually good enough
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>>123615770
I always think of that one picture where CMs womb is getting dominated when I see this now


thanks
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>>123615969
what does the t. stand for again

I thought it was 'the' but /int/ laughed at me
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ROFL
O
F
L
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>>123615917
whos gonna get a new aghs upgrade
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>>123616052
terveiset, or in spurdo, 'regarss'
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why are there things that dont do damage but still go through bkb like walrus punch
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>>123609751
I'm not even one of the guys that linked it yet you respond just to spite me.

Fuck you
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>>123615917
>This much autism put into pretending to be ice frog
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>>123616153
terveisin, not terveiset
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>>123609769
You are in LUCK friend. A new RIKI TIPS video has just come out today. Enjoy your RIKI TIPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVIMyJ0A8Z8
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>>123616096
aghs

the wave returns to tide, half damage to anyone who was already hit by it once

adds more stun though
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>>123616197
my dad works at gamecube and if you badmouth me again you're fucking dead kiddo
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>>123613373
Just kill me already.
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>>123615969
wards is the reason i play veno
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>>123616073
adelaide?
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>>123616173
stop channeling spells
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>>123616052
LMAO. funny seeing you here.
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>>123616096
hard to say, have some ideas for every hero currently without one though, just matter of good time to implement
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>>123616016
This one?
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>>123615248
oops!!
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Why is it RTZ when it would be Ar Tee Zed then?
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>>123615998
And how exactly are you getting tranquils, aquila, veil, aghanims? what lane? you know people don't see veno as a core at 3k right?

how do i convince them?
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>>123615770
Already dead
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can someone please tell me how to effectively play offlane kunkka?
I looked at the number one on dotabuff (interestingly its fng) and he seems to play offlane maxing tidebringer and going shadowblade-->deadalus, but i cant figure out quite how to make it work
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>>123615770
EARTH SPLITTED
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>>123616502
>Kunkka
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>>123616243
super hot music fire!!!
subscribed!!
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