Cute edition
Hollowed >>138827383
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9hG50KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DarkSoulsGeneral
>Draw
http://doodleordie.com/r/darksouls
http://imgur.com/a/XhBxC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wwtuf (DaS2)
http://flockmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etMh8E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL5KDhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
[YouTube] DSCM - Dark Souls Connectivity Mod - Major update, manually connect to specific players - 2016-04-09
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/RDDaqtcP
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3stats/home
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL4BafHEYXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-3-class-selector/
>Character sliders
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EXGIWRHO8lgeHRyb8fzDMeKPpuzyWGq-HA9v-udWRYg/edit?usp=sharing
*The piano starts playing*
Bully Firekeeper!
What is a good level to invade the forest?
There's a reason the wikis aren't full with info yet edition.
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9hG50KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DarkSoulsGeneral
>Draw
http://doodleordie.com/r/darksouls
http://imgur.com/a/XhBxC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wwtuf (DaS2)
http://flockmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etMh8E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL5KDhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
[YouTube] DSCM - Dark Souls Connectivity Mod - Major update, manually connect to specific players - 2016-04-09
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/RDDaqtcP
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3stats/home
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL4BafHEYXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-3-class-selector/
>Character sliders
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EXGIWRHO8lgeHRyb8fzDMeKPpuzyWGq-HA9v-udWRYg/edit?usp=sharing
>covenants were brought in by Dark Souls in 2011
>FromSoft have had 6 years and 3 games to learn from their mistakes and to learn to actually have some foresight
>instead we still get broken covenants, useless stats, unneeded nerfs to flavor of the month weapons instead of the much needed buffs
>go to Irithyll
>suddenly everyone is 10x faster with ridiculous combos
Jesus it feels like I'm playing a different game all of a sudden. I know they have low poise but damn.
champion gundyr and pontiff are best bosses tbqf
Fashion Souls Edition
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9hG50KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DarkSoulsGeneral
>Draw
http://doodleordie.com/r/darksouls
http://imgur.com/a/XhBxC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wwtuf (DaS2)
http://flockmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etMh8E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL5KDhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
[YouTube] DSCM - Dark Souls Connectivity Mod - Major update, manually connect to specific players - 2016-04-09
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/RDDaqtcP
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3stats/home
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL4BafHEYXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-3-class-selector/
>Character sliders
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EXGIWRHO8lgeHRyb8fzDMeKPpuzyWGq-HA9v-udWRYg/edit?usp=sharing
Why did they ruin Miracles so bad? They cost a ton of FP, they barely do any damage or healing, and the buffs don't stack with weapon skill buffs like Sharpen or Warcry
I'm ditching my STR/FAI build to go pure STR with Yhorm's Memechete. I might drop a couple points in FAI to get Deep Protection but that's it.
Miracles are literally trash tier outside of a couple self-buffs.
Since this might be a better play to put this rather than the passing character threads
Sliders
http://pastebin.com/JS3LaPuG
For the ring achievement do I have to get +1 and +2 for all the rings? or is just one version of a ring enough
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9hG50KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DarkSoulsGeneral
>Draw
http://doodleordie.com/r/darksouls
http://imgur.com/a/XhBxC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wwtuf (DaS2)
http://flockmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etMh8E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL5KDhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
[YouTube] DSCM - Dark Souls Connectivity Mod - Major update, manually connect to specific players - 2016-04-09
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/RDDaqtcP
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3stats/home
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL4BafHEYXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-3-class-selector/
>Character sliders
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EXGIWRHO8lgeHRyb8fzDMeKPpuzyWGq-HA9v-udWRYg/edit?usp=sharing
First for DS 3 is a bad game
I beg of you, the armor I can live without, but I NEED the Cathedral Knight GS
I want it more than Vendrick is the king of want
>>138820915
>put on darkmoon/sentinel
>literally never get summoned
I just want to protect the weak
Current Update: Silverfrost Mountains
http://www.bladeandsoul.com/en/game/silverfrost/
>What server is /bnsg/ playing on?
Mushin/Poharan is for NA
Jiwan is for NA RP
Windrest is for EU
Ebon Hall is for EU RP
/bnsg/ Clans Info
http://pastebin.com/ArwDrWJe (embed)
>Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/COSTUMES
>Discord Links
NA: https://discord.gg/0diTt6guoS0dG2Nj
EU: https://discordapp.com/invite/0kXCg29EOMQWdUwn
>BnS Resources
http://pastebin.com/CgLYrude (embed)
How to add true AA to B&S (Nvidia guide)
http://the-unknowns.eu/index.php/Thread/435-Nvidia-Inspector/
Drawfriend portraits
http://imgur.com/a/79q5J
http://imgur.com/a/noUOz
DPS Meter (USE AT OWN RISK)
http://advancedcombattracker.com/download.php
https://github.com/ravahn/BnS_ACT_Plugin/
Previous
>>138779038
first for eristic! <3
Crimson #1
Crimson #1
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9hG50KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DarkSoulsGeneral
>Draw
http://doodleordie.com/r/darksouls
http://imgur.com/a/XhBxC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wwtuf (DaS2)
http://flockmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etMh8E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL5KDhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvII-WJWo5s
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/RDDaqtcP
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3stats/home
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL4BafHEYXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-3-class-selector/
>Character sliders
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EXGIWRHO8lgeHRyb8fzDMeKPpuzyWGq-HA9v-udWRYg/edit?usp=sharing
>>138812639
>>138812639
>>138812639
anybody got this?
This game just finds a new way to kick my ass.
>Yuria of Londor
hmm. What to do..
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9hG50KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DarkSoulsGeneral
>Draw
http://doodleordie.com/r/darksouls
http://imgur.com/a/XhBxC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wwtuf (DaS2)
http://flockmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etMh8E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL5KDhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvII-WJWo5s
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/RDDaqtcP
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3stats/home
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL4BafHEYXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-3-class-selector/
>Character sliders
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EXGIWRHO8lgeHRyb8fzDMeKPpuzyWGq-HA9v-udWRYg/edit?usp=sharing
Hollowed: >>138795037
Xth for
Ds3 > Ds1 > Ds2
any fun int scaling weapons in ds3? ,
Leakerfags Ruin Everything/Todd's Gonna Get You, Edition
>GECK when?
SOON. MAYBE.
https://community.bethesda.net/thread/7221
>Fallout 4 General Information (Read Before Asking Questions)
http://pastebin.com/UkxVHYQB
>Vault Dweller's Survival Guide Links
http://pastebin.com/x1yeAmcP
>The Art of Fallout 4
https://mega.nz/#!vQkWVLpD!nBOiJBqgYriOJNkjU8OqxSFOfpKJHYWT6wZunopd6Fg
>Fallout 4 Item IDs
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J9quAMtGK70aptz0t5teqWHGZJ9T9uvJmzNEBJEB36Q/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
>Fallout 4 Legendary Effects & IDs Guide
http://pastebin.com/qg0KhsCA
>Fallout 4 Settlement Mods & Information
http://pastebin.com/QJquVveh
>CBBE Links & Outfit Studio Guide
http://pastebin.com/GG0n8K62
>Fallout 4 Mods By /fog/ And/Or Removed from Nexus
http://pastebin.com/6kGZaPiy
>HELP! THE NEW PATCH BROKE MY MODS!
http://pastebin.com/dfRatvDc
>Fallout 3/NV
http://pastebin.com/wVAqLvCD
>/aco/ Thread
>>>/aco/fallout (nsfw)
>/y/ Thread (for Dansefags and other degenerates)
>>>/y/fallout (nsfw)
Pre-War Thread:>>138758957
Kill yourself Shillwiz
Post those character themes
https://youtu.be/zesuGCWY0E8
How did Todd find out about the leak so quickly????
PlayTBC turned out to be a phishing scam. Change all your other passwords ASAP!
/wpsg/ guilds:
WotLK
<You> Horde, Theatre of Dreams 2x
>Where can I get game clients?
http://pastebin.com/mxjmsr3t (embed)
>How do I connect to [server]?
1. Register on a private server that hosts the same game client you have.
2. Copy their realmlist URL. This can usually be found on the main page of the website or on their registration page.
3. Look for a realmlist.wtf file in your WoW folder. This may either be in the root folder, or inside Wow/Data/enUS/
4. Open the realmlist.wtf file in a text editor such as Notepad and paste in the realmlist settings of the server. Make sure it starts with 'set realmlist' followed by the realmlist URL.
>I have set the realmlist correctly but it still connects me to XYZ server/says invalid login info.
You will need a clean wow.exe and dll files if you downloaded your WoW client from XYZ server. Check the clients section above.
>How do I stop my client from auto-updating?
• Start the game with wow.exe - not launcher.exe
• Don't use your email for logging in, use your account name.
• Find the patchlist file in your installation and remove it.
Previous >>138758126
Play TBC @Play_TBC now8 seconds ago
Take a moment to read and reflect on this please
http://playtbc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=1597&pid=15562#pid15562
>>138798557
Turkish girls
>>138798639
>We expect this take at the very most, 1-2 days.
D E A D
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9h8z0KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/group/DarkSoulsborneGeneral
>Draw
http://diddleordie.com/r/darksoul
http://imgur.com/a/XM8xC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wutauf (DaS2)
http://flocksmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw8mc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF4z7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etw38E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL58bhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvII-m15s&nohtml5=False [Embed]
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/C5z8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLw9D8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/R8baqtcP
>System requirements
http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/DARK_SOULS_III/ds3_1920.png
http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/DARK_SOULS_III/ds3_proz.png
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3statistics/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL49zfH9zQXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-class-selectors/
>>138795037
wait did bloodborne and dsg really combine again or is this a hot meme
Does it matter at all if you tell Yorshka that you can fly?
That dragon guy's transformation actually made that fight easier. You can sit under him almost the whole time like with Sif.
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9hG50KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DarkSoulsGeneral
>Draw
http://doodleordie.com/r/darksouls
http://imgur.com/a/XhBxC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wwtuf (DaS2)
http://flockmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etMh8E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL5KDhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvII-WJWo5s
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/RDDaqtcP
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3stats/home
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL4BafHEYXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-3-class-selector/
>Character sliders
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EXGIWRHO8lgeHRyb8fzDMeKPpuzyWGq-HA9v-udWRYg/edit?usp=sharing
Hollowed: >>138769076
SHIT
WHAT DO I TELL HER
2st for Corvian Scythe never.
First for my weaponfu.
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9h8z0KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/group/DarkSoulsborneGeneral
>Draw
http://diddleordie.com/r/darksoul
http://imgur.com/a/XM8xC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wutauf (DaS2)
http://flocksmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw8mc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF4z7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etw38E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL58bhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvII-m15s&nohtml5=False
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/C5z8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLw9D8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/R8baqtcP
>System requirements
http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/DARK_SOULS_III/ds3_1920.png
http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/DARK_SOULS_III/ds3_proz.png
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3statistics/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL49zfH9zQXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-class-selectors/
>>138778412
>>138778421 was made first. Go there.
>>138773926
>>138773931
Wow, I literally just spent like 20-30 minutes killing Yhorm with a Longsword
I picked up that weapon but didn't bother reading the description since it was only my second attempt at killing him
>>138778584
Actually that one was made second. Look at the time stamps.
playtbc.com
Wow so much hype wow
wow
anyone else can't get playtbc.com to open in their browser?
>>138776605
Would get up in that shit if you know what I mean
Previous >>138732865
>[Da Vinci and the Seven Fake Servants event]
- 4/11 to 4/20
- Collect Real Manuscripts and Fake Manuscripts from event quests, and use them to roll lottery gachas
- Knight Classes for Real, Cavalry for Fake, Special classes for both
- Real Manuscript gacha:
Jackpot: 5* Jeanne Alter CE: 10% Buster up, +15% NP charge to allies upon death, +100% "Fake" enemy spawn rate
Knight Pieces and Monuments
Horseshoes, Crystals, Fangs, Proofs
- Fake Manuscript gacha:
Jackpot: 5* Jeanne CE: 10% Buster up, generates 3 stars per turn, +100% "Real" enemy spawn rate
Cavalry Pieces and Monuments
Pages, Jewels, Dust, Bones
- Both have Apples, EXP, Prisms
- EITHER Real Manuscript OR Fake Manuscript daily can be done each day
- Event shop uses other drops as currency
5* Da Vinci CE: 30% starting NP, 20% Heal bonus
New America mats
Hearts, Claws, Feathers, Lanterns, Homo Babies, Skill stones, Fou
- Da Vinci Guide: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/quest_event_20160411.php#nav
>[Jeanne Alter gacha]
- 4/11 to 4/20
- New Limited Servant: 5* AVENGER Jeanne Alter
- New 4* CEs, each drops +1 of a different event currency:
Kuzuki: 30% Arts up (3 turns), +1 Self Portrait
Ryuunosuke: 25% bonus damage to Humans, +1 Vitruvian Man
Jack's Master: 15% Heal bonus, +1 Mona Lisa
>News and Reminders
- Latest changes:
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php
- Update coming out in late April/early May that includes 6th bond point (+10 unique CE unlocked by reaching max bond for 10 servants), present box history UI and ability to change ascension art used by command cards during battles
>Datamine
http://pastebin.com/LDRZ5ac5
>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9
>Frequently Asked Questions
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA
>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk
>Translations Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/URc62gex
>Friendlist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os
>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info
>How to farm Vitruvian
Quest: 40 AP Lancer
Servants: Any, preferably Sabers
Craft Essence: Art of Death (Ryuunosuke)
>How to farm Self-Portrait
Quest: 40 AP Assassin
Servants: Any, preferably Casters
Craft Essence: Venomous Snake Art (Kuzuki)
>How to farm Mona Lisa
Quest: 40 AP Caster
Servants: Any, preferably Riders
Craft Essence: Gentle Affection (Reika)
>How to farm Manuscripts
Quest: 40 AP Rider
Servants:
>True:
- Avenger, Ruler, Shielder
- Saber, Lancer, Archer
>False:
- Avenger, Ruler, Shielder
- Rider, Caster, Assassin, Berserker
Craft Essences:
>True:
- 1 Maiden Leading Chaldea (Jeanne red background)
- 1~5 School of Chaldea. The more the better.
- Support School of Chaldea. Maiden Leading Chaldea if SoC isn't available.
>False:
- 1 Empieta (Jeanne white background)
- 1~5 School of Chaldea. The more the better.
- Support School of Chaldea. Empieta if SoC isn't available.
Would she make a good wife?
LIZ THREAD
FUCK IRITHYLL edition
>/dsg/ Player List
http://pastebin.com/9h8z0KHX
>/dsg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/group/DarkSoulsborneGeneral
>Draw
http://diddleordie.com/r/darksoul
http://imgur.com/a/XM8xC (DeS)
http://imgur.com/a/wutauf (DaS2)
http://flocksmod.com/dsg
>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw8mc3
>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF4z7a
>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/h1etw38E
>Essential PC mods
http://pastebin.com/XwL58bhB
>POSSIBLE FIX FOR 0 NODES ISSUE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvII-m15s&nohtml5=False
>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/C5z8Yc8v
>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLw9D8n
>DARK SOULS 3
http://pastebin.com/R8baqtcP
>System requirements
http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/DARK_SOULS_III/ds3_1920.png
http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/DARK_SOULS_III/ds3_proz.png
>Character planner and science
https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3statistics/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL49zfH9zQXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY
https://battlecalculator.com/dark-souls-class-selectors/
first for noob in 2016
are spells viable at all in this game?
