Rolled 7 (1d20)
THE HORUS HERESY GENERAL
OP guy is asleep, post OPs edition.
Taking Isstvaan legions off the OP since russia gave us the Age of Darkness legions sub-edition.
LAST TIME ON DRAGONBALL HHG Someone asked about Power lances on command squads, people listed the biggest dicks of 30K and discussed the inner workings of Rogue Trader which led to the realization that the reason CSM still get a Sv after 10,000 years without armour maintenance is because Perty put tiny forts on their guns. Traitor rules for loyalist legions was hypothesised as was the reason for using Astartes to man walls. Someone asked what everyone gave their preator, the Sanguine Hairesy was invented, Angron is the reason Lorgar is bald and Erebus is /b/ for no reason AND MORE. >>46860155
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>>46876818
>Rolled 7 (1d20)
FOR THE PRIMARCH-PROGENITOR!
Post Imperial Fists.
Stupid question time because I'm too lazy to work out what book the answer's in. There are a growing number of few rites of war that specify you must be the attacker in missions with an attacker and a defender (IW Ironfire, DG Creeping Death, etc.). What happens if you and your opponent both turn up with lists using these rites? Do you just have to roll a different scenario, or is there a way to resolve it in the rules?
I have a question for you all. After six hardback Horus Heresy books from Forgeworld, which one would you rate the best? The Worst? Which one had the best content in it? The worst content? We talk about ranking the BL books all the time, but never the FW ones, and I want to change that.
>>46876961
Roll of and one person play the defender, there's nothing preventing you from actually being the defender except that single rule.
>>46876818
what do you guys think of tarantulas in mechanicum armies? i was thinking of having them in an Ordos Reductor allied detachment. maybe going TL lascannon?
Looks like the mega link for the mechanicum book might need an update.
>>46877452
as a follow up to this, how does the Targeting rules work for TL photon thrusters, pic related
Posted last thread but, Planning an BS Outlanders with the Reaver because teleporting looks cool, is there any infantry that works well with DSing I was thinking seekers loaded with combi-plasma would work like 40k Sternguard
>>46876818
Thanks, Uni for the summary since I was asleep.
Does anyone have good examples of Sons of Horus painted kn metallic green?
The same as Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons, except green.
>>46877987
>Thousand Sons
Wait for it.
When will the Dionbots make an appearance? When one of the traitors find a copy of When the Dinosaurs Roamed America?
>>46878086
Given the blight drone is now based on a mechanicum battle-automata, I wonder what an uncorrupted version of the dinobots might look like.
Incidentally, corrupted/possessed versions of all the other battle automata would be really cool. Especially vorax.
>46853915
Ah, my bad. I had a feeling I should've checked before posting
>>46878193
I imagine those will come out eventually.
>>46878193
>>46878251
>mfw everything CSM have is HH derived and nothing has been made since then
>mfw 30k BFG will feature a loyalist planet destroyer
>>46878289
Shut up and take your Dinobots like a man, Brother Twinkletoes.
>>46878193
It's kind of weird how this one resembles a blight drone just a little bit.
>>46878521
yeah no shit
>>46878521
It's meant to be a pre-nurgle blight drone apparently
>>46878348
Anon, you do understand that soon they'll be our dinobots too, right? You get a dinobot, and you get a dinobot, and you get a dinobot. Everybody gets a dinobot!
>>46878570
Can I use the megadakka with them, and do have they have a soda dispenser?
Holy moley /hhg/ is being pretty slow today
to drum up a bit of conversation and stop us getting bumped off, what model's everyone using for their praetor? The models FW sell haven't got much going on, and they've got nothing for jump pack/jetbike/bike praetors.
>>46879301
I've got a few for what I want to run, mostly just a regular MK IV with whatever weapons, and I greenstuff the capes and decals I put.
>>46879398
Nice, what legion?
Post pics if you got em
>>46877460
>"or Dark Mechanicum it that's your metal bag"
>Because we absolutely aren't promoting tech-heresy by only pumping out traitor AdMech
>Srsly, we are the motherfuckers who invented Scoria.
>But maybe you want to pay Archmagos price for a Magos statline with Decima, we don't know. If that's your metal bag...
Alright /hhg/ explain this to me because I'm a fucking idiot.
How does the Primarch's Chosen RoW work? Do I need a Praetor/Delegatus to unlock the RoW first and fill the mandatory HQ slot and then buy the Primarch as a HQ choice or do I buy the Primarch and then choose the RoW which makes it a HQ to fill the mandatory slot?
I never realized I needed a combi-pillow...until I saw this. No, I didn't dream of it...yet.
>>46879649
Primarchs have MoL, so just use it. There's no definitive steps for list building/choosing Rites, so just do it all at once.
>>46879649
>When taken in this detachment, a Primarch is counted as a HQ choice instead of a Lords of War choice, and must be both the detachment's compulsory HQ choice and the army's Warlord.
How is this difficult to understand.
>>46879684
>pic related
>>46877497
>>46877452
no one?
>>46878289
This honestly does annoy me. FW needs to cut it the fuck out with making 30k versions of everything. Are we eventually going to get a 30k brass scorpion or blood slaughterer or decimator? A huge part of the reason I like the Dark Mechanicus is even if they are assholes they actually make new shit from time to time.
>>46879905
I'd say photon thrusters target vehicles, given they have the lance rule. I'd also say it's a typo and FW omitted it. I don't use tarantulas, and I know nobody who uses them.
As for me, I'm trying to come up with ways of using Typhon, but Morturg does it better.
>>46879908
>FW
BL, GW, everyone has to stop it. As I remember, GW already put the space wolf icicles into HH by saying their weapons were commissioned by Russ to arm the wulfen.
Have they put storm bolters into 30k yet?
>>46876818
Thread theme:
>m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-DmAh0dObI
>>46879955
>GW already put the space wolf icicles into HH by saying their weapons were commissioned by Russ to arm the wulfen.
So, SW will also have AP2 shredding at initiative?
Just a quick question, does Maru Skara allow you to use its abilities on a transport carrying a unit from another FoC slot? So can I shove a command squad in a dreadclaw drop pod and decide to have it arrive turn 2 alongside my palatine blades and seekers?
Also outside of of meltabombs is there any reliable way to kill vehicles in an infantry heavy army?
>>46879955
I am fine with that,
gives the Ksons attack on Fenris some actual creedence.
>>46880046
>Just a quick question, does Maru Skara allow you to use its abilities on a transport carrying a unit from another FoC slot? So can I shove a command squad in a dreadclaw drop pod and decide to have it arrive turn 2 alongside my palatine blades and seekers?
I'd say so yeah.
>Also outside of of meltabombs is there any reliable way to kill vehicles in an infantry heavy army?
Chainfists, lascannon/missile launcher heavy weapons teams, melta support squads depending on how prolific AC is in your meta, an attached siege breaker for tank hunters.
>>46880023
That's up to FW. I hope we at least get frost axes and swords. Ice beams and icicle I can live without. Even without wolf claws.
Besides, I think SW got that shit pure the same reason Harlies did, to make them competitive enough. Nothing like a small expensive army with tons of AP2 to make then more than fluff options.
>>46880125
A Flare-shielded ceramite-armoured Butcher-carrying slaps your tabletop. What do?
>>46878289
Except we already know the history of CSM ships. None of them exists prior to around M35. They were based on an entirely new design principle, not anything from the Horus Heresy.
>>46880138
I have never undestood the purpose of AP3 relics.
>>46880167
*Terminus Est*
>>46879955
Fuck off with that picture. Guy Haley is the most toe-the-line of all the BL authors. By his own word there is barely a thing he writes that he doesn't bring to have the higher-ups check it for. Yes, even the Black Templar stuff.
>>46880148
>>46880186
Is a one of a kind vessel and not a ship of the line.
>>46880167
And just about all of them were made by the Imperium and then turned to Chaos. Or Chaos stole the plans from the Imperium. I think one of the escorts is an actual OC donut steel with xenos weaponry.
>>46880204
>it's ok, I was just following orders
>>46880222
Not quite. Poison ships were already a thing.
>>46880222
The entirety of the Despoiler class battleships was made with the Terminus Est's blueprints the Admech dug up after the Heresy.
>>46880294
So you're saying the CSM ship design didn't exist prior to the heresy until the Admech found them in M36. Glad to see you agree with me.
>>46880186
You rang?
>>46880222
It is a ship of the line, it's a battleship
>>46880332
A full chapter of destroyers is the only good chapter.
>>46879955
>Have they put storm bolters into 30k yet?
Know No Fear had them
>>46880324
Did you forge the part where it did, in the Terminus Est? It is a 30k era ship design, which just didn't get into mass production until M36. Without the Terminus Est we wouldn't have the Despoiler class.
But the bigger point is that Chaos didn't invent that ships class or pretty much any of the Chaos ships. More and more of Dark Mechanicum's inventions are just perverted versions of HH shit, not original works.
>>46880148
Outflank two contemptor Dreadnoughts each with a chainfist turn 2. Perfection and precision allow one to overcome any threat.
>>46880369
We sure the author just didn't confuse combi and storm bolter with one another?
Can't wait for late HH Mk8 armour. Maybe they'll find a way to put centurions in there as well. And stormtalons and ravens.
>>46880405
It mentions terminators firing storm bolters.
>>46880449
Either they were prototypes or it was multilaser-style fluff or a typo like when that dude wrote about some Primarch Rubinek and meant Chapter Master all along.
>>46880405
Pretty sure Mk VII and Storm Bolter have always been late-Heresy tech, no need to bitch
>>46880405
And the Land Raider Ares!
>>46880507
I'd accept that as an Achilles variant, though the 0 transport capacity is kind of shit
>>46880208
That's your answer to everything.
>>46880474
Mk7, yes, Mk8, no. And I've never seen anything mentioning storm bolters as HH era inventions as long as storm and combi-bolters have been two different things.
>>46879908
No They don't
They just shove daemon dick into stc stuff
They just have some stcs imperials don't have anymore
>>46880590
Yeah, I know Mk VIII isn't - sorry, that was a bit of alcohol-fuelled belligerence, something in the tone of the post rubbed me the wrong way.
But I do seem to recall hearing that storm bolters were a late-heresy thing, for loyalists, but I can't remember where I heard it and Lexicanum doesn't help
>>46880552
Works for everything
>>46880148
taunt them, and run back to my fortress and slowly grind them to dust in a relentless combination of attrition and artillery barrages.
>>46880546
as well as being unable to fire the heavy flamers, or hit anything ever with teh asscan
honestly, the land raider are is a retarded design and further proof that the DA are a bunch of scrubs
>>46880637
What part of the fluff for defilers, blight drones, dinobots, etc. states that they're just corrupted old Imperial designs?
>>46880677
Can't you PotMS it?
>>46880667
WINNER WINNER, IRON DINNER!
>>46880721
It's from before PotMS times, iirc
>>46880677
I think you could replace them with meltas?
But they're flamers, you don't need to aim, just fire
>>46880753
PotMS is old as fuck. There was a time it was a generic SM vehicle upgrade.
>>46880753
>demolisher cannon is ordnance
>makes every other weapon snap fire
>cant snap fire template weapons
>>46880590
M8 Horus rising - Horus teleports to the top of that tower and blasts the Bloke on the throne with a storm bolter
grimacing, perfect in every dimension and detail, suffused in radiance. So beautiful. So very beautiful.
For a moment, the god stood there, unflinching, beset by the gale of force, but unmoving, facing it down. Then he raised the storm bolter in his right hand and fired into the tumult.
One shot.
>>46880721
You can for the Assault Cannon, but template weapons can't be snap shot so if you fire the Demolisher Cannon you can't fire the Heavy Flamers.
That said, this wasn't a problem when the tank was first designed so it's a problem that subsequent editions have created.
Say, my Warlord trait can only affect Sworn Brothers, but what about asymmetrical alliances, where only one of them considers the other dude a Sworn Brother? Kind of like a "Sworn Sempai" if you ask me.
As in, I want to infiltrate those sweet 20-man Night Lord squads.
>>46880690
Blight drone proof is in this thread
Dinobots are just standard daemonic twisting
Via index chaotica-Strictly speaking, the body of a Defiler is not manufactured from anything new, for the obscure processes of the Warpsmiths reconstitute it from Warp-tainted metal wrenched from other constructs. The Defilers’ ancient slab-sided metal panels have been known to possess the runic signatures of ancient Forge Worlds that fell during the Horus Heresy, and of Tech-Priests who had turned traitor. It is said by those within the Council of the Ordo Malleus that many such panels, as well as other elements of the Defiler’s technology, are originated from Dreadnoughts, perverted by the hands of Chaos and distorted by the
>>46880792
>Raises the bolter.
>One shot.
>Not one clip.
>>46880792
In the FW books it's just called a stylized twin-bolter.
>>46880765
Yeah, I'm completely incorrect about that, I just found it's rules, it has PotMS
>>46880815
Who is asymmetrical?
>>46880841
Anon, you do realize we're talking about how before HH became a thing, none of the daemon engines were tied to HH and were Dark Mechanicum OC donut steel creations, right? And now that we got HH, suddenly we have to tie everything to it and make all the inventions just perverted Imperial designs, nothing original.
That's what people are talking about.
>>46880815
That's what I wonder, what part of the chart is the main army and what part is the allied force? It isn't specified anywhere.
>>46880897
Namely, Warlord Morturg (Death Guard primary detachment) trying to infiltrate allied Night Lords, whom he treats as Fellow soldiers but they look at him like a Sworn Brother.
But WTs can only affect Sworn Brothers and, technically, Death Guard don't consider themselves Sworn brothers to the NL. But honestly I don't know what happens there
>>46880812
Power of the Machine Spirit says you can fire one more gun at full BS than normally permitted. And at a different target. So you can fire the demolisher and snap fire the TL AC one way and use one flamer sponsons on something else.
>>46880912
Horus rising was released 2006
Mauler fiend was referenced in white dwarf and chaos space marine codex in 2012
Go suck a dick
Anon brings three Medusae and places some Interceptor Dread bodyguards, as well as an augury scanner nearby. What do?
>>46880990
Deploy free chain axes
>>46880846
>clip
>>46880984
Dude, go wash the sand out of your vagina.
>>46880815
>World Eaters
>Thousand Sons
>Sworn brothers
I thought the World Eaters hated psykers? For that matter I thought nobody liked fighting with the World Eaters?
>>46876818
Hol Beloth is cool as fuck!
>>46880990
Use meltabikers to rape medusas and dreads.
>>46880990
Bring four medusae.
>>46881111
Learn to read world eaters and thousand sons are grey - distrusted allies
>>46881111
Nobody except the Iron Warriors can tolerate the World Eaters. You need a ruler, I guess.
>>46881059
Chaosfag go back to your 40k general hug box and cry about how you can't cheese the 3.5 codex there
>>46880990
Laugh as my Aquilla Strongpoint is out of anon's range and rain Str D and Apocalyptic mega-blast upon them as desired.
>>46881176
>>46881188
>>46881208
>Aquila Strongpoint
>Using D weaponry
>Not the mighty Redoubt Primus, with extra barrage protection.
Had I wanted obvious answers I would have brought two Laser Destroyer Warhounds.
>>46881207
You need come control on that maximum damage of yours.
>>46880379
Chainfist and tl lascannon?
>>46880841
Horus Heresy Book 6 talks about a mechanicum construct that sounds very close to the dinobots. It's during the Incursion at Xana part, where they describe quadrupedal automata, with some having repeating cannons and others having big claws.
It seems that EVERY chaos construct has come from Xana II nowadays.
>>46881363
I did patent it, after all.
>>46878251
Damn that's good.
So who's interested in a Horus Heresy Masterclass PDF?
https://www.mediafire.com/?cye509bv7czx85c
>>46881497
>https://www.mediafire.com/?cye509bv7czx85c
thanks
>>46881497
>>46881255
>Redoubt Primus
>Not pic related filled with BS5 bolters.
I bet you play IW too.
>>46881869
why so low quality
>>46881497
Ooh,thanks!
>>46881869
>Opponent fields an imperial fortress
>The psyker rolled Shifting Worldscape
>>46881885
Well you can't even buy that model any more
>>46881952
Hey, y'know that 4 foot by foot city of the dead necrons can take?
>>46880170
No one does
>>46880546
YOu must hate the typhon.
>>46882053
I gotta hand it to the tournaments though, finding an unorthodox solution. The power says "Any movable terrain," so the tournaments duct tape their terrain to the table so it's no longer movable.
>>46882024
I'm sure if you call them up and ask they'll still make it for you, it was only ever made to order anyway.
>>46881869
>imperial fortress with bs5 bolters
Which will do absolutely fuck all against all the shooting attacks against it from 36" and farther.
Report to the pain glove, retard.
>>46882080
No, the Typhon has a fuckhueg cannon on it, that's just an expensive, armoured vindicator - you can get 2.5 base vindicators for the price of an Ares
>>46882109
Eh, maybe - it was made-to-order, but even that's gone from there site
>>46882152
Woah, easy there, my World Eater sworn brother. Save that anger for when we breach the walls.
>>46879435
Caleb Decima?
More like Caleb Sucksima. Ha ha.got em
>>46882524
Warning: Dark Mechanicus memetic algorithm detected, causes the reader to cringe. Intended target: the reader's sides, presumably.
Is there any possibility of modelling a chainfist as an eviscerator style weapon?
>>46882307
They probably didn't bother leaving it up because I'm not sure they ever sold one to anyone who wasn't GW. I'd doubt they'd trash the molds so long as they're intact, never know when GW is going to need a big terrain piece for a diorama.
>>46882660
If you give your dude an eviscerator and say it's a chainfist I wont be complaining, if that's what you're asking
>>46880125
>lascannon heavy weapons teams
Aren't they kind of trash since they're super expensive and easy to kill?
I'm planning on running a group of 5 as Sun-Killers because muh fluff but I don't expect them to perform well at all.
>>46883173
Yeah they're quite a point investment but with an attached siege breaker they'll evaporate most units. Stick them in cover with hardened armour and an augery scanner and they'll earn their points back unless you're opponent doesn't use vehicles.
>>46882660
The two weapons are functionally identical unless you give the chainfist another specialist weapon. So yeah if you gave a guy an eviscerator and said it was a chainfist I doubt anyone would care.
Hey /HHG/ would i be able to win against Horus/Most primarchs if i used both Alpharius and Omegon against them?
>>46883670
Omegon doesn't have rules though
>>46883670
Just because you are using two manlets instead of one doesn't mean you can upset the power balance.
>>46880167
From the BFG rulebook:
Desolator: no date of inception specified, "dates back to the very founding of the Imperium [...] at least five Desolators defected from the Emperor's light between the 31st and the 34th millennium"
Hades: no date of inception specified
Acheron: no date of inception specified
Devastation: no date of inception specified
Murder: no date of inception specified, at least one active in M33
Slaughter: no date of inception specified, at least one active in M34
Idolator: no date of inception specified
Iconoclast: no date of inception specified
>>46883758
He's conflating the pre-armored prow hull design with the Gareox Prerogative of M36.
So i just finished Flight of the Eisenstein and want to hear more about Garro, don't really want to move to Fulgrim right now.
Will listening to the Garro audiobooks fuck up my timeline?
>>46883670
I don't think both twins have enough strength to take on Horus.
>>46883854
nah, once you've read the first three and FotE then most things are fair game.
>>46883854
No, but it also depends on how much you already know about the Horus Heresy. If you're at least familiar with the stories of Calth, and the Dark Angels, then you'll be fine. Hell, it gets to a point later in the series where if you haven't listened to the Garro audiobooks, stuff comes completely out of left field.
>>46883354
I'm not sold on adding a force multiplier that costs 1/3 of the entire squad itself and takes up an HQ slot just to boost 5 guys.
>>46881497
Thanks, just wanna point out that page 95 (96 in the PDF) is upside down in case you wanna correct things before the link gets spread around.
Are you planning on doing volume 2 as well?
>>46884116
Durak Rask®!
Both a Siege breaker and a MotL together!
Now with rerolls when control points are involved!
Delight yourself as his squad shoots while he stares at things and gets killed by Morturg!
It's hideous.
Finally finished rereading this comic but I noticed this. Mk7 on my 30k Ultramarines?
>>46884706
There's a SoH with a very MKVII looking helmet on his MKIV in Betrayal. I think it's written off as being a prototype with an enhanced vox grille or something
>>46884888
I'm just not used to seeing mk7 in 30k unless it's at the Siege of Terra.
>>46884706
>>46884888
Sarum patter helmets have been a thing for a while. I remember the name "Mantilla" from somewhere, though.
Are breachers with power axes and the ZM rite of war the best way of fucking up someone's deathball in Zone Mortalis?
I played my first ever ZM match today and got fucked up by my opponent having only cataphractii terminators, making a good deal of my stuff useless except for sniper veterans.
>>46884929
I think it looks pretty good, but wasn't Sarum a traitor Forge World? I kind of want to give my sergeants CSM helmets with the chaos-y bits removed, but I'm playing White Scars.
>>46884929
Ever got that feeling where you get tired of seeing the same old thing, but when you see it somewhere else it doesn't feel the same? That's how it feel about mk7.
>>46885034
I never know how to react to all the stuff I read on these threads anyways
>>46885090
That's probably for the best anyway.
>>46884996
Well fuck, I confused breachers and warders. Warders get the axes, but only breachers benefit from the RoW. Fuck.
>>46885417
I know a guy who brought pretty much all heavy weapon teams with chem-heavy flamers in a game of ZM, using the DG reaping ROW. It was brutal, even saw dreads going down to those things. Boxnaughts though, not glorious contemptors.
>>46885417
What are you talking about? Breachers aren't even mentioned in the Hammerfall RoW, it only says Warders become troops and anyone can buy a speshul teleporter.
>>46885603
I thought the DG would bring all the Terminators to a ZM match, especially with Mortarion teleporting around, not caring he's inside a maze. Grave Wardens and Deathshroud are godly
>>46885713
I said ZM RoW, not the imp fist one.
>>46885732
>>46885713
Is there any novel (or is going to be) about the Ullanor campaing?
does anybody run Breachers in IW?
I always wondered if there's a group of Word Bearers that just stay in the warp really confused that pretty much every loyalist chapter behaves as they did and worship Big E as a god, they now read from one of Lorgar's books on a daily basis and say heretic so much Colchian might as well be the Imperium's first language
I've never had a bike army before and the 30k flyers looks really cool, who does them better Ravenwing or White Scars?
>>46886208
>every loyalist chapter behaves as they did and worship Big E as a god
Pretty much none of them do. It's a point of contention between the greater imperium and the space marines.
Anyways Word Bearers are unique in that they're the only legion that went 100% traitor. It's the lore reason why they have chaos chaplains.
>>46882152
Then i'll take some twin-linked lascannons.
>>46885794
This is nice. If only the breacher bonus wasn't restricted to Breachers on ZM (I want me Testudo formashuns)
>>46886551
>It's a point of contention between the greater imperium and the space marines.
Didn't that IW (Kalkator?) taunt his erstwhile Black Templar friend about how they were doing exactly what Lorgar was punished for?
I'm aware that many marines do not adore the Emperor, but rather venerate him as the ideal of the human being...but then there are the Black Templars. The dude even says the Emperor was "protecting mankind with His lie" when confronted about wether or not He was divine.
>>46886727
BT's are one of the few space marine chapters that actually worship the emperor. In 40k, marines are basically a separate entity from the Imperium as a whole, who take resources and protect the Imperium in return without really listening to what any of the higher ups say. But of course who's going to be the guy to say to 1 million ultra-badass supersoldiers "get out".
>>46876818
I like Death a Guard and their fall to chaos. What should I read after flight of the Isenstien?
>>46886641
This building appears to be vulnerable to deep strikes. Given how it can't buy a teleport jammer you better bring Augury scanners. This is a work in progress, I presume, due to the lack of tanglewire everywhere to keep faggots from tickling the walls with melta bombs. And those spires are accidents waiting to happen. I care not for your teutonic architecture, the enemy will knock them over and somebody will end up squashed. What's wrong with you, Fist? I thought the Praetorian of Terra taught his children how to defensive-siege?
*Sigh*
I better keep my finger on the self-destruct button, just in case...
>>46887112
and don't forget to set up a nice set of trenches behind it....
in the case the enemy is determined enough to plow on..
>>46887530
Go for a full trench network and bunker annex, preferably backed with nice swathes of monomolectular razor wire and tank traps, and plentiful gun nests fitted with anti infantry, armour and aircraft pieces. And also have that rigged and a third line set up, designed carefully to have clear fire lines into the second lines works, so the enemy can't make use of what they spilt so much blood to take.
>>46887731
don't forget the sappers...
what is more fun then tunneling under the enemy and detonating a deathstrike missile?
>>46884706
There's a beaky helm on the Horus rising cover
Fuck. Want to start an AL army, but have no idea how to play it. Orbital assault row with dynat and counter attack? Brutal Lernaen Terminator spartan rush? New headhunter row?
>>46887937
Beakies are okay.
>>46886155
The primarch series will likely be ultras and word bearers vs orks so kurtha sed and aetheon
>>46886651
Yeah, would it have killed them to say 'models with a boarding shield' instead of just Breachers?
>>46888018
Muh well written and well planned rules.
>>46886727
And his faith protected him from a weirdboy psychic attack so it was real faith
>>46887912
Launching a diversionary phosphex bombardment to make the deathstrike exclamation mark even more stark?
Are the 40k breaching shields in 30k? I don't like the look of the Mk III ones but I've never seen players or artwork using the 40k one. They might be M41/Mk VII only.
>>46888254
>I don't like the look of the Mk III ones
You lost me there
>>46888097
Nah, Phospex goes onto the third line, to cut them off from reinforcing enemy's second line.
you recruit 50.000 unlucky conscripts, arm half of them (lasguns are expensive, and you need enough to make the second wave look credible enough) to exhaust their ammo.
then you roll in your Iron warriors...
>>46888272
How about concealed phosphex canisters embedded in the rock? So you can rupture them once the first line is overwhelmed. By the time the enemy is advancing on it, trying to capture the following lines BAM! the ground gives in and they get melted.
>>46887112
>>46887530
>>46887731
>>46888097
>>46888272
>>46888306
I want me Phosphex moat. Kinda like this thing, but running on phosphex.
>>46886992
Bump?
>>46888306
Brother,
i like the way you are thinking
>>46888269
That weird wing shape with the eagle feather trim looks weird on legions that aren't foofy faggots like EC or IF/UM.
Even the IH and IF decided to use different shields for their unique breachers.
>>46886641
>some twin linked lascannons
>some
>SOME
Your paltry half dozen or so twin linked lascannons isn't going to count for shit when your fort is being hammered by long range ordnance and superheavy primary weapons.
You'd better have a better plan than to hole up in a fortress (huge amounts of hull points though it may have) with nothing but infantry and a handful of weapon emplacements because if you didn't bring anything to this fight that can stop an attacking siege force, you're already fucked.
All fortresses eventually fall. All trenches and forward positions are eventually overrun.
Every Iron Warrior knows this.
Allegiance: Loyalist
Legion: Emperor's Children
Rite of War: The Maru Skara
[Headquarters]
Praetor: 210 Points
Master-Crafted Paragon Blade
Thunder Hammer
Digital Lasers
Iron Halo
Sonic Shrieker
Champion: 125 Points
Phoenix Spear
Artificer Armour
Combat Shield
[Troops]
2x 10 Tactical Marines: 300 Points
[Elites]
2x 10 Palatine Blades: 580 Points
10 Power Swords
Meltabombs
[Fast Attack]
2x 10 Legion Seekers: 530 Points
Artificer Armour
Meltabombs
[Heavy Support]
5 Heavy Support Marines: 260 Points
Lascannons
Hardened Armour
Fluffwise the army is a group of veterans who decided to remain loyal, lacking the heavy support assets of the main legion they rely instead on their innate skill in combat to defeat the enemy, superior marksmen and swordsmen. Aesthetically I differentiate between the tactical marines and seekers by having the tactical marines wear Mk II armour while the seekers, praetor, champion, and palatines wear Mk IV armour, the lascannon marines (sunkillers) wear Mk III armour.
Tactics wise the list is pretty simple the tactical marines, lascannon marines, and a single unit of seekers lay down fire on the enemy, while two palatine blade squads (the praetor and champion are in the same unit) and a unit of seekers outflank turn 2. List tends to perform very poorly against terminator or vehicle heavy armies but against blob marines it is great (as one would expect from two ten man squads of WS 5 marines with power swords who swing first).
I might in the future modify the list to drop the power swords in the palatine squad that my praetor and champion run with and reinvest the saved points into five phoenix spears for the squad, would give my army some more hitting power against terminators outside of just hoping my praetor and champion can solo the unit.
>>46888348
I'm actually curious about the "power for nefarious devices" part. What else could be so twisted that it gets called nefarious compared to this? Or is the blood cannon tame compared in Dorf Fort morality that the power goes to a new evil?
>>46888573
Read the filename.
>>46888254
The 40k ones seem to be for the MkV-VII style arms. I'm sure most people wouldn't even notice if you used them on other armour types.
I also am not a huge fan of the shields on the Breacher kit and while I am planning on making some Breachers, I will look into getting some other type of shield.
>>46888269
He's talking about the Breacher shields. The 40k plain ones and the 30k wing style ones.
>>46888670
>Daemonculaba
>Nefarious
Needs more pooper.
>>46888685
>>46888450
>>46888254
You mean these? They're not so bad. The officer's one, coated with feathers, now that's outrageous.
Looking for conversion inspiration for my second knight out of my renegade box. The first is going to be a Dark Souls Knight. But I have no idea what to do with the second.
I already have a Paladin, Atrapos, and attached is my Obliterator(Crusader).
What are some of the coolest Knight conversions you've seen stride across the wastes of the heresy?
>>46888746
You were expecting some shields on that comment, didn't you? They outflanked onto this comment.
>>46888753
The plasma gun is really that big? Did they changed the design so that Leman Russ could make a dick joke or something?
>>46888670
>implying Khorne would allow such a waste of blood for something like that
>>46888746
Eh, personally I'd just take like a proper slab than a stylized one with weird shapes. I've actually looked at those 40k Ogryn shields. The small ones, not the ripped off blast doors. They look like big enough to give Marines some protection.
>>46888886
It has already been shed, I doubt he gives a fuck what you do with it after it has been shed. Granted IIRC in the old WHFB fluff Khorne hated vampires, so maybe he does care, fuck if I know.
>>46876818
Legion spitting contest!
>Death Guard
Able to withstand poisons and toxins that could affect even other marines. The Zulu could chew poisonous weeds to gain a poison spit. The Death guard could fight on a radioactive swamp, take a drink of it, gurgle it and the spit would count as Phosphex.
>Iron Warriors
Their spit is Pinning and rerolls armour penetration.
>Imperial Fists
They spit at BS5. Tests also indicate they're immune to spitting while taking cover.
>Night Lords
They asked to be provided blood in order to spit it. When it was provided, they simply smeared it all over them.
Couldn't get a spit from them.
>Blood Angels
They simply stared at the Night Lords, wasting all those precious, tasty blood...
>>46888887
You mean the ones that look like combat shields? I'm partial to anything looking like riot shields for breachers. What's the name for the 40k thingies on FW's website? Siege mantlets?
>>46888975
>IIRC in the old WHFB fluff Khorne hated vampires,
>Khorne hated vampires
How interesting. Video is incredibly related. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT-sUH0-fH0
>>46888786
How else am I going to drown my enemies in 7" white hot plasma blasts?
>>46889096
But it's a Titan weapon! On a Knight. It can't even power it.
>>46889114
It's not a titan weapon. The Blaster is. The obliterator isn't.
>>46880815
>Sworn Sempais
>>46884270
Shit. Corrected.
https://www.mediafire.com/?riqm9fp01i8okg4
Also, I'll do volume 2 if someone can point me to the scans.
>>46889034
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Space-Marine-Boarding-Assault-Upgrade-Set
>>46889207
Ah thank you.
>>46888753
Jesus Christ that looks like shit
>>46889263
I'm glad the usual tg quality has finally seeped into the HHG
>>46889034
>You mean the ones that look like combat shields?
I got a few (for some 40k conversions) and they're about the size of Vanguard storm shields. I like their more nimble and utilitarian look. Like it's something you could see the breacher use both for blocking enemy fire as well as whacking someone over the head with.
It's a bit shame they're all battle damaged, but it's a small price to pay.
>>46889263
>It doesn't look that bad, you're probably just angry cause it's blue like the Ultramar-
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT GUN
How is the knight not tipping over? That's some sword-so-unwieldy-the-guy-has-to-drag-it-around-behind-him level shit right there.
>>46889308
It does look like shit though.
>>46889525
>>46888980
The IF Betcher's Gland doesn't work. Fucking worthless mutants. At least the Iron Warriors aren't genetically deficient Astartes.
>>46888556
>Aesthetically I differentiate between the tactical marines and seekers by having the tactical marines wear Mk II armour
>while the seekers, praetor, champion, and palatines wear Mk IV armour
>the lascannon marines (sunkillers) wear Mk III armour.
That's spot on armour use there. As for the list itself, pretty much what you said, it'll struggle against terminators and multiple vehicles.
Maybe drop the hardened armour and grab some phoenix spears?
>>46890641
>At least the Iron Warriors aren't genetically deficient Astartes
No, they're generally decimated Astartes instead. But damn if I'm not tempted to ride the ironfire
Scoria based Cybernetica army building has begun! Just need to get my hands on some bits this month to make Scorias abeyant.
>>46890711
>Scoria's abeyant
Do tell. What's the plan?
Whatever happened to the Emperor's personal ships? Are they now some museum or are they storage sheds for paperwork and junk?
>>46890834
The normal abeyant base with tomb spider legs on it and the old dark eldar talos tail on the back with the photo thurster mounted on it like a scorpion sting.
>>46891271
You have true heresy in you.
>>46891293
So pumped to get it done, just waiting on the spider parts to arrive!
>>46891019
The Vengeful Spirit happened to them.
>>46891271
>normal abeyant base
You mean this:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-SE/Archmagos-Draykavac-Archmagos
Or this:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Mechanicum-Magos-Dominus-with-Rad-Cleanser
>>46890674
>That's spot on armour use there.
Thanks
Anyway, I was thinking of kitting out one or both of the palatine squads like this instead
10 dudes
5 phoenix spears
5 charnabal sabres
Overall cost would be the same but the unit would have 15 Str 5 AP 2 attacks in addition to the 7 from the praetor and the 4 from the champion. I figure 26 WS 5-6 attacks wounding marines on a 3+ and AP 2 in addition to the rending from the sabres should be able to fuck up anything that isn't a massive beastick unit. I would like to keep the hardened armour for fluff purposes (same reason I gave the seeker sergeants artificer armour even though they would easily die in a challenge due to only having a regular CCW).
Another possible option I thought of would be to replace one of the seeker squads with another lascannon unit. Lose a few bodies but would really help against vehicles and terminators (particularly multi-wound terminators).
>>46891632
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Mechanicum-Magos-Dominus-with-Rad-Cleanser
I don't think that guy has an abeyant
>>46891914
>"The Magos Domius with Rad-Cleanser is a complete resin kit and includes a Magos Dominus equipped with a volkite serpenta, cortex controller, ABEYANT and the option of a rad/irad-cleanser or sensor skull."
>>46891632
it will be off the cool Draykavac abeyant, not the shitty magos one
What would be a good replacement helmet for this? I don't really like the head.
>>46888355
Anybody?
>>46892254
You know it to be true.
>>46892254
I've always found middle of the back angel wings weird, always thought of angel wings as being attached to the upper back, like where the shoulder blades would normally be.
On topic you might want to look at some terminator heads and modify them, they might be big enough that he won't suffer from a severe case of tiny head. Phoenix Guard terminator heads look like they have potential, probably add some ear wings or something for blood angels, but if the head is the right size it should look somewhat fitting.
>>46876818
Looking into getting a Horus Heresy legion. What does Alpha Legion do in this game?
>>46892646
Infiltrate everyfucking thing. Also a nice legion because they have a Rite of War that lets them take one legion unique unit from another legion. So if you like the way Palatine Blades of Gal Vorbek look you can buy one unit, paint it up, and include it in your Alpha Legion army.
>>46892778
That sounds rad. How about the Imperial Fists? I play them in 40k but hate their dumb heads in 30k.
>>46892941
Good termies, good bolters, viable Heavy Weapon squads and marines with breacher shields. They also have a deep strike RoW and a shield one. They could have better legion specific units though, but their characters are great, and very dangerous in melee.
The wiki could be very informative to you
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)
I'm off to sleep, /hhg/. Let's see what Emperor/Scoria-induced dreams await me.
Anyone playing against or having any luck with BA?
>>46893895
Played my buddy's BA army couple times. Day of revelation RoW is strong. 2 twenty man assault blobs with chaps, one praetor. Supported by a regular tac squad, contemptors, Sicaran and scorpius. Those jump marines can go places I tell ya
>>46894159
I've been trying to make assault marines work for DoR but their cost and vulnerability to blasts make me think twice. If I may ask how many points were you playing?
>>46890711
>>46891293
Very early WIP for the scheme of the army
>>46887112
>>46888542
Bitches saying I'm done.
>>46894392
looks good so far.
What are the future plans?
Also read the old visions of heresy stuff.
Apparently Saul Tarvitz was once the First Captain of the EC.
Did Bl dump that?
Annoying.
>>46895146
Scoria leading as many big punchy robots as possible. Got 3 Domitars and 3 more Vorax to do up as well.
Starting my Death Guard army!
Before I buy anything, I wanted to make a complete list. What do you guys think?
2000 points
RoW: Pride of the Legion
HQ:
Praetor
+Cataphract armor
+digital weapons
+paragon blade
Librarian
+ML 2
+Cataphract armor
+power scythe
Siege Breaker
+void shield harness
+artificer armor
+refractor field
TROOPS:
Siege breached squad
+Meltaguns
Siege breacher squad
Deathshroud terminator squad
+3 terminators
+melta bombs
Deathshroud terminator squad
+3 terminators
ELITES:
Quad guns
+2 guns
+phosphex
HEAVY SUPPORT:
Medusa
Heavy Support Squad
+missiles
+flakk
>>46895300
I was talking about the Paint scheme, but I like punchy robots. So everything is fine.
>>46895318
I like the gist of it.
Reaping the shit out of people.
It really feels good when your memes get mentioned in the general info
>>46895146
Tarvitz was always a line captain I thought?
>>46895538
The stuff in collected visions names him as First Captain.
